Trust me, that little detail is really important. It gives important strength "against" the matrix inside the matrix theory. That scene is important, if not, it would be part of a director's cut on DVD. Every scene is important to the story. If they left that scene in the original cut, it has importance.

The fact remains, Bane cut his own hand to feel humain pain in the real world (because it's the 1st time and became human). It this was another Matrix, he wouldn't even give it a try.

maybe it's a feature of the secondary matrix? so that people can believe that they are in the real world.

if he was human, how the hell was he the only survivor of the attack?

Maybe he gained powers like Neo at the end.

maybe cause he's on the side of the machines?
remember they mentioned someone let an EMP go too early?

i don't believe him having those powers in a real world. its a science fiction, not fantasy.

then why would he say "there is something wrong. I can feel them."? it's wrong for him to have the powers in the real world. so it is not real.

i know but this doesnt prove that its not another matrix.

besides, he is not on either side anymore, he has disconnected from the system. now he is one of the malfunctioning programs that the oracle was talking about. he is after his own freedom.

just the last scene itself, where neo stops those machines, is enough evidence for me that it's not a real world..

anyway, just cant wait to see the 3rd episode.. whats so great about this movie is that people can throw many different ideas and argue them, like we are right now. they have come up with some great philosophical story.

yeah
when he stopped the machines, it was obvious that it is not a real world


prolly it is matrix in the matrix in the matrix or something..hehe

Maybe Neo got upgraded with a bluetooth device

Nice explanation guys but I just got back from the movvie and thought it sucked. It wasn't even sold out on friday night at 8pm. I loved the first move but the end was horrible. They should be embarrased. The fight scenes were repetitious and boring. I even saw people walk out.

You just do not end a movie like that, even to lead into another. Complete the chapter for my $8.50, damit!

Mitch

fucking nerds!

go back to your AOL chat rooms so you can "pimp" on your "bitches". as it states in your sig its a full time job, get snappin, you have a mess of IM's and A/S/L's to answer.

damn...... that hurt :(

As a whole I thought it sucked, there were a lot of cool fight scenes, but it went on and on and on to the point where it was boring.

and there was no point to the fighting!

Why use Kung FU when you can fly? Or just slip under the enemy's skin like he did in the first movie? Did Neo forget how to do that?

He can stop bullets with his mind, but to hurt someone he has to use his fists?

Why do the regular people suddenly have the power to kick the Agents asses? They could never do this before.

A matrix within a matrix. Wow... anyone who thinks this is deep is a moron. Star Trek has done half a dozen episodes dealing with this concept on their hollodeck and they all sucked too.

But OK.... the whole world isn't "real", but the motive for creating the false reality has always been retarded. The idea that we're all batteries is STUPID, which makes the entire basis of the plot stupid as well.

Of course, we haven't seen the "real" world yet, for the final explanation we have to wait for the third movie.

I was happy the new twist explains away the fate bullshit. That fits in quite nicely, but I felt ripped off by the cheesy soap oprea ending. As a whole this movie has less than 1/4 of a plot.

have any of you seen the animatrix? (renaissance part one and two)

i guarantee you will not think zion is part of a "matrix" program after you see it.

it was built by humans to survive the "scorching of the skies" during the war between 01 (the name of the machine nation) and the rest of the world.

Umm...a little off topic, here, but was anyone else confused from the first one when the Oracle told Neo that he "was'nt the one"?

And then, for the rest of the movie, and this second one now, he is considered "the one"?

Or am I wrong?

there might be a real zion, but the one they live in might be a simulation of it.. the architect says it has been destroyed and repopulated 6 times, that sounds unrealistic. i think its the simulation of zion that has been recreated the 6th time.

she says "maybe in another life", but people usually miss that part. she has also told trinity that she would fall in love with a dead man, who would be the one.

at the end he dies and trinity fall in love with him, and he wakes up. and he becomes the one.

Okay, for all this matrix within a matrix stuff, I think we need to have an understanding of linear algebra. Who can explain Nth vector spaces? Thank you. lol

in the end of the third film they will reveal that zion is just another matrix within the matrix. they will leave it open-ended and you will have to buy the game to see the real ending of the saga.

sorry for the spoiler but a friend of mine watched the pirated video cd version.

I haven't, but I'm looking forward to seeing it... It will start in our cinemas in a week...

fuck dude, I already know that just by watching this one. so the 3rd movie won't even tell me anything new? i hope it ain't so

well put

1). Nice dress Neo
2). Did not know it was supposed to be a comedy (talking about the fight scenes, the Superman flying, etc)

Isn't it possible in that new subsystem of the matrix, being inserted he somehow gets more privelages, such as pain.

I still say this is probably going to be a 3 movie version of 13th floor or existenz.

OOOHHHHH!!! NOW I GET IT.... It still sucked.
http://bootybone.com/gfy/matrix.jpg

Did you notice 01 was in Iraq? lol

All this was obvious, and made painfully obvious in the movie. It doesn't change the fact that it was long, drawn out, overused, and everything else i've claimed the whole time.