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KRosh · 05-16-2003, 03:29 PM

I am not sure if too many people truly understand what this movie is
actually saying, so I will try to explain it for those that don't get what
they just saw. The first thing I recommend is that you try to remove your
ego, people all have them - so they believe that the movie must be about
people. But actually it is about software and mainframe code. The main
computer has been caught in a loop cycle for 5 iterations, and it is trying
to find a variance that will break this cycle by utilizing a random bit
anomaly piece of software (Neo), to allow it to fully complete its cycle.
It has tried this before, but has always failed and in its attempts. It is
trying to factor in all variables of its program to make absolute sure of
complete success before it attempts to actually implement the complete
procedure, like an good piece of software (debugging iteself - "it is the
why that is important"). Beta software waiting to go gold. The only factor
that was not counted on was an anomaly of two programs intersecting and one
becoming a self-replicating virus bent on absolute destruction (Smith), and
the anomoly (Neo) complementing his program with protectorate software.
This is a brilliant movie, that once you wrap your head around, is really
just an ultimate version of Tron with no human watchers (Jeff Bridges), of
a computer SuperNoc running through a simulation with all possible factors
being worked first, before it initializes the program for real. If Neo
completes his role and meets his ultimate purpose as software, then our
hero allows the computer to see all variances that it will need to contend
with, so that it can fully implement the real program on our world. Matrix
- main base operating system. Zion - secondary operating system for
software that can no longer can function in main sytem - but can be
utilized to build new a matrix system. Neo - Random bit anomaly software
for breaking loop cycle ñ utilized by the Oracle and Architect software to
be a random variable to upgrade itself ñ upgraded with protectorate code
from Smith (Anti-Virus). Trinity - complement software to aid in Neo's
completion of purpose. Morpheus and crew - collector programs for mainframe
to try to enable the end of the loop cycle. Architect - Mainframe operating
system. Oracle - old Macro Software that has been part of all 5 iterations
of the loop and can see all variances. Oracle's Protector - Mainframe hard
code software. Merovingian - old Neo that did not fully implement objective
in beta 5.0. Merovingian's wife - old trinity code. Twins, and
Merovingian's guards - old base black ice protector code. Head Counselor in
Zion - Advisor for Mainframe that advises Neo along his upgrade to not
touch the main bios (engineering) systems. Key Maker - come on now, to
easy, a simple keygen. Smith - self-replicating virus - now capable of
moving to either system infused with anomaly code from Neo. I truly loved
this movie and it is so amazingly deep compared to the first if you know
what it really happening. I hope this helps anyone who walked out of the
theater like 95% of the crowd I saw it with, scratching their heads
thinking, "What the fucK, that was stupid I don't get it." I am stating
that what I am saying is absolute, but if you watch the movie and listen to
what they all truly are saying it seems pretty obvious. Be wary all, your hero is our destruction, enjoy

MattO · 05-16-2003, 03:30 PM

KRosh · 05-16-2003, 03:31 PM

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Originally posted by MattO
spam

spam? you must be on crack !

asuna · 05-16-2003, 03:32 PM

Why did you spoil it?

voodooman · 05-16-2003, 03:32 PM

$20 says someone who hasnt seen the movie yet, WILL indeed read this thread.
Its just human nature, predictable as a clock.

So if you do read this, and you were one of those that bitched and cried because of my matrix thread, Stop Crying now.

voodooman · 05-16-2003, 03:33 PM

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Originally posted by asuna
Why did you spoil it?

hahaha,

case and point.

KRosh · 05-16-2003, 03:33 PM

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Originally posted by voodooman
$20 says someone who hasnt seen the movie yet, WILL indeed read this thread.
Its just human nature, predictable as a clock.

So if you do read this, and you were one of those that bitched and cried because of my matrix thread, Stop Crying now.

I second that !

Cheeba Filas · 05-16-2003, 03:35 PM

Krosh I couldn't have put any better. Your on the money

Anthony_A · 05-16-2003, 03:38 PM

Krosh,

Thanks bro! Awesome breakdown. Made me appreciate the movie even more!

stevecore · 05-16-2003, 03:42 PM

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Originally posted by voodooman
$20 says someone who hasnt seen the movie yet, WILL indeed read this thread.

someones $20 richer....

waddup Krosh? where you been lately? you chaos & I need to go out again soon.

jasonir · 05-16-2003, 03:43 PM

Krosh, thanks a lot. That made a lot of sense. How did you come to the conclusion that Zion was a secondary OS, and if it is, where does everything actually exist? All the humans connected to the matrix are in the "Real World" where Zion is. No?

Is everything just a computer program?

Lane · 05-16-2003, 03:44 PM

I'm a month away from getting my computer science degree.

I think the stuff you just wrote contains too many misused terms. And personally I would not try think everything in the movie as software.

Sorry, right now I'm too lazy to point out every single thing that I disagree with you, cuz I wanna gonna go grab my dinner now.

I repect your attempt to think this way though, but you should combine software and reality in your philosophy, instead going to the extreme to explain every single thing as software related.

peace

rooster · 05-16-2003, 03:47 PM

sounds ghey

KRosh · 05-16-2003, 04:05 PM

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Originally posted by stevecore

someones $20 richer....

waddup Krosh? where you been lately? you chaos & I need to go out again soon.

DUDE

what's up? let's do it ...name the time and place and i am there

KRosh · 05-16-2003, 04:07 PM

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Originally posted by jasonir
Krosh, thanks a lot. That made a lot of sense. How did you come to the conclusion that Zion was a secondary OS, and if it is, where does everything actually exist? All the humans connected to the matrix are in the "Real World" where Zion is. No?

Is everything just a computer program?

it's starting to look that way. I think #3 will determine that. If you recall at the end of the movie Neo had super powers and he was not connected to the matrix. ..... we'll have to wait and see

Alky · 05-16-2003, 04:15 PM

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Originally posted by Lane
I'm a month away from getting my computer science degree.

having a degree means dick.

his terminology wasn't far off and everything he said made sense, if hes right hes right, if not, oh well. there are going to be tons of theories on this movie for months, we all just have to wait for the conclusion to see who was right.

FreeNetPass Steve · 05-16-2003, 04:20 PM

I think it was a great breakdown

KRosh · 05-16-2003, 04:21 PM

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Originally posted by Alky
having a degree means dick.

his terminology wasn't far off and everything he said made sense, if hes right hes right, if not, oh well. there are going to be tons of theories on this movie for months, we all just have to wait for the conclusion to see who was right.

thanks Alky

MetaMan · 05-16-2003, 04:24 PM

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Originally posted by Lane
I'm a month away from getting my computer science degree.

I think the stuff you just wrote contains too many misused terms. And personally I would not try think everything in the movie as software.

Sorry, right now I'm too lazy to point out every single thing that I disagree with you, cuz I wanna gonna go grab my dinner now.

I repect your attempt to think this way though, but you should combine software and reality in your philosophy, instead going to the extreme to explain every single thing as software related.

peace

stfu,
wow u have a degree and think like the other hundred people around u when u could have just read a book for:

$20
or
spend thousands on a degree,

wait ur tryin to sound like ur smart.

playa · 05-16-2003, 04:35 PM

nice it made alot of sense now,

those fuckers kept on blabbing their mouths,,

only part i like was when that guy said he like to cuss in french cuz its like "wiping your ass with silk"

KRosh · 05-16-2003, 04:37 PM

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Originally posted by playa
nice it made alot of sense now,

those fuckers kept on blabbing their mouths,,

only part i like was when that guy said he like to cuss in french cuz its like "wiping your ass with silk"

that part was funny as hell.. he put ALL the ommon french swear terms in one LONG sentense. It was pretty creative actually.

FlyingIguana · 05-16-2003, 04:40 PM

where did all the paragraphs go?

Lane · 05-16-2003, 05:02 PM

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Originally posted by MetaMan

stfu,
wow u have a degree and think like the other hundred people around u when u could have just read a book for:

$20
or
spend thousands on a degree,

right, that's the purpose of a degree in science isn't it? too bad i don't agree with everything he said. guess i must have wasted the past 4 years and the thousands of dollars.

get a fucking life. i only pointed out the misuse of the terms that i am familiar with thru my education.
of course, if you don't exactly know the meaning of a term, you can't know if it is used at the wrong place, so i don't expect you to comprehend my point.

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Originally posted by MetaMan

wait ur tryin to sound like ur smart.

yes i am smart, and it's proven, got a problem with that?

Alky · 05-16-2003, 05:20 PM

what terms did he misuse?

Lane · 05-16-2003, 05:51 PM

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Originally posted by Alky
what terms did he misuse?

first of all, think about this..

the first post looks to me like written by a programmer from the 70's. this movie is happening in a time with much higher technology. computer concepts are changing and will be very different by then. my best guess would be that they would be using neural systems just like our brains do.

most of the terms don't mean shit at the machine level (like variable, iteration, etc..). these are human created concepts to make programmers life easier so they can write more complex code before it can be translated to the machine language, which is only a stream of bits between the processor and the memory. these concepts are all assumed by the basic architectural model of the computer which hasnt changed over the decades.

AI people are doing lots of research on producing new computer systems which will work very differently than what we have now. (neural systems, dna computers etc..)
today's machines can do simultaneous jobs limited by the number of proccessors for gods sake. a real advance AI system will never be produced until they make a sytem to achieve much greater parallellisim.

I just don't see todays programming concepts applying to a world where AI is advanced enough to take over the human race.

Pornwolf · 05-16-2003, 06:11 PM

Nicely written KRosh.

You could have written the bible or you could easily be one of the folks writing the stories in Christian Science Monitor that correlates current events with what bible prophecies say. That's basically the same thing you did for the movie.

Still, I really think you have a nice explanation.

Lane · 05-16-2003, 06:56 PM

wake up people

The matrix is in another matrix. This movie would not go as far as granting Neo supernatural powers in the real world. Haven't you seen how he could feel the machines coming and stop them in the 'real' world? This let him to realize the fact that there are layers of matrix and shocked him into a coma.

It is is possible that the architect was lying but there was a lot of truth behind it.
He mentioned that this is the 6th version of this whole thing and zion was rebuilt 5 times. I don't see this possible. I think zion is also a creation of these machines to give the illusion of freedom to that 1% of people who did not exactly accept the excistence of the matrix and were supposedly waken up.
One of my guesses is that there is a real zion outside of the bigger matrix, which the machines have tried to simulate inside to try to collect more statistical info so they would figure out how the destroy it. I don't think the real zion has been rebuilt 5 times, it was only the images that have.
Remember that Neo said how oracle wasn't actually telling all truth? The oracle doesn't exactly tell the future. She has just seen the previous versions and knows what's gonna happen next from experience. But at the end, this 6th version makes a choice beyond the expectations of the machines and goes through the left door and is able to save trinity. Because this time he did not follow his logic but his emotions.

anyway, this is just a movie, and it's just produced by a bunch of smart people. nevertheless , its a masterpiece. I think I'll just wait to see the next one whithout thinking much further than this, where i am maybe just wrong anyway.

stevecore · 05-16-2003, 07:01 PM

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Originally posted by KRosh

DUDE

what's up? let's do it ...name the time and place and i am there

talked with jeff earlier, he said he was down to go see some titties & drink beer tonite out in the valley. sound good to you?

plexer · 05-16-2003, 07:29 PM

Cant read it, my eyes go cross eyed..

Daen · 05-16-2003, 08:16 PM

If the real world (Zion, Neo, etc.) is another Matrix then the film series is in danger of going to a very bad place. When a screenplay relies on the ?it was all a dream story line? then they have just run out of ideas and are just milking the box office.

Matrix was one of the best films I had ever seen. Reloaded was not.

MattK · 05-16-2003, 08:36 PM

interesting. I figured that the old guy with the beard in Zion was the previous "one", or "one" number 5.

I think Zion is in the real world, and not a secondary matrix... I think the traitor who tries to hurt Neo in Zion has something to do with the architect, he is a human planted in Zion to stop Neo.

It is confusing how Neo stopped the sentinels at the end, since he was only supposed to have super powers in the matrix. And the guy who spoke french in the movie had some powers inside the matrix, is he a human like Neo or just another program within the matrix like agent Smith?

Lane · 05-16-2003, 08:51 PM

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Originally posted by MattK
interesting. I figured that the old guy with the beard in Zion was the previous "one", or "one" number 5.

nah, doesn't make sense. he wouldnt be talking like that if he was.

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Originally posted by MattK

I think Zion is in the real world, and not a secondary matrix... I think the traitor who tries to hurt Neo in Zion has something to do with the architect, he is a human planted in Zion to stop Neo.

There was a scene where two guys were getting ready to transfer back using the phone. One of them did, and the agents jumped in through the window and smith copied himself into the other guy. the phone rang, he picked it up, and he transfered to zion. since he is a program, zion must also be a simulation so that he is able to walk around like human. and he wanted to kill neo.

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Originally posted by MattK

It is confusing how Neo stopped the sentinels at the end, since he was only supposed to have super powers in the matrix. And the guy who spoke french in the movie had some powers inside the matrix, is he a human like Neo or just another program within the matrix like agent Smith?

as i said before, i don't think they will make neo have supernatural powers in the real life. That is why he said "there is something wrong. I can feel them." and he stopped them. I am not sure why exactly he passed out, we will probably find that out in the 3rd episode.

that french guy is a program, that already had dealt with previous versions of neo , and this time he was amazed that he now has the power to stop bullets.

Lane · 05-16-2003, 08:53 PM

the best explanation i've seen so far:

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Ok all, first I am going to try to clarify the basic argument I see here and then add my ow evidence. The Matrix within the Matrix idea makes alot of sense. First we know the architect is telling the truth about this being the sixth (or at least not the first Matrix). We know this because there are all the programs that have taken a life of their own within the Matrix. If it were the first Matrix there would be very few of these programs such as Oracle, Mirovigian, the twins, etc.

I think that the Matrix is much bigger then we are led to believe in the first one. We now see all these residual old programs. If these programs are in fact old ones that avoided being deleted by the system as Oracle tells Neo then we would expect them to be somewhat powerful (which they are) and also to have some ulterior motives. We would think these programs are trying to regain power.

Now, I think the Matrix within the Matrix idea is right. Evidence for this:
1. Architect tells Neo 1% of people hve some itch (the itch they talk about in part one when they free Neo from the Matrix) and recognize choice and so reject the Matrix. The Zion Matrix so to speak is where these people are sent and they believe it to be the real world. But in fact it is the layer meant to handle them and keep these people from destroying the main layer of the Matrix. It is in essence a subsystem.
2. The One is one of these people who somehow gains greater power. This power is recognized if not created by the machines and is used to flush the system.
3. What I think happens is this. These people reject the Matrix and so are freed into the subsystem which is the Zion resistence program. Here they believe they are out of the Matrix so never realize it is indeed more of the Matrix and not freedom. Anyway, I think more and more of these people are freed into the subsystem and then as the numbers get larger the machines start to worry that perhaps one of them will figure it out or just that the deviant population is too large. When this happens they flush the subsystem and start over. That is the ones job. Zion is flushed, all the rebels are killed except for a small group which begins the process again. The machines have to let some people live to recruit the people who are rejecting the program or else the Matrix could fail.
4. Anyway, it seems to me the Zion subsystem is like the ultimate safety valve. They get people out of the main system who could ruin it and then still have them under control. They kill them whenever the numbers get to large. Remember in the movie when Morpheus says that they have freed more people in the last 6 months then they did in the past 6 years. Obviously Zion begins to get to big and them it is time to get rid of it and start over. The machines can't simply kill all the rebels or they have nothing to do with people who feel the itch and reject the program.

More evidence of the Matrix within the Matrix:

1. Agent Smith goes into the supposed real world in Bane's body. How could a computer program actually go into the real world? I think it is impossible. So, more likely Smith has realized that the supposed real world is in fact the Zion subsystem and thats how he can move into it in Bane's body. He is actually still in the Matrix.

2. Trinity's death. If Trinity really died in real life I don't think Neo could save her. She did not really die however, she only died in the Zion subsystem. Neo's love is so great he is able to bring her back to life. I also think this is where Neo realizes that the real world is only another Matrix. More on this below.

3. Zion: How could there be 6 real Zion's and no one has ever found evidence of the previous ones. Also, if the world is in such ruins how the hell can they keep finding the equipment and know how the build all the machines that run Zion. The ones Neo and the councillor watch and talk about. It seems more obvious the machines set all this up in this subsystem program and then leave it for the next group to find (the group The One chooses.)

None of this is definitive but all this evidence leads down a trail that seems to show the Matrix within the Matrix.

So where does Neo fit in?

Neo is obviously the latest incarnation of The One. He is supposed to help the machines reset the Zion subsystem according to the architect. This would make sense. With his powers he would choose the new people to repopulate Zion but also his power would allow such a small group of humans to function and be able to find new people rejecting the system.

This is supposed to be The One's role, and I believe that in this the Architect is telling the truth.

Neo however is about to throw a wrench into the system. I think that Neo has somehow been able to either amass more power, or use his powers more effectively then any "The One" who has come before him. Evidence: Remember when Mirovigian says to Neo that he is not so powerful and then has 5 or 6 guys all start shooting at once. Neo stops all the bullets and Mirovigian is amazed, like he has more power. Also, at the end of the fight after Neo kills all the henchmen Mirovigian says to Neo, "you are more powerful then the others but I have survived them and I will survive this time." Then Mironvigian runs away from Neo. Evidence 2: One thing people seem to forget. Trinity did die. She is shown flatlining and is dead. The architect is right Neo can not save her. Except, I think Neo then amazes even the architect, he has somehow become so powerful that he can manipulate the Matrix and bring Trinity back to life.

In the end when Neo kills the Sentinels I think he is using his new found knowledge (he got from talking to the architect and saving Trinity.) He has realized that the real world is in fact just another part of the Matrix and so can feel the machines and control them. I think the coma is the result of this. I think he simply processes so much information at once, and comes to such a profound discovery that his mind needs to shut down to process it. Also, if he realizes the Matrix is in the Matrix maybe he is experiencing some negative feedback from his real body somewhere.

Sorry this is so long, but I think it will be helpful to all. It seems to me there is alot of evidence that the real world is a subsystem of the Matrix. All of this evidence together seems to show this.

lil2rich4u2 · 05-16-2003, 09:27 PM

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Originally posted by Lane
the best explanation i've seen so far:

wow, you and krosh saw right through all of this. I have a programming background and it even slipped by me!

krosh and lane, thanks for the posts ... i surely apreciate the plot alot more now.

NoCarrier · 05-16-2003, 10:01 PM

One thing that makes me think the real world is REAL is agent smith becoming human through Bane.. Remember when Bane cuts his own hand to feel pain for the first time? to bleed, to be truly alive and human.. If he knew the "real" world was also fake, why would he do that?

Lane · 05-16-2003, 10:04 PM

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Originally posted by NoCarrier
One thing that makes me think the real world is REAL is agent smith becoming human through Bane.. Remember when Babe cuts his own hand to feel pain for the first time? to bleed, to be truly alive and human.. If he knew the "real" world was also fake, why would he do that?

maybe he didnt know. it's agent smith, who is trying to get out of matrix as well, and had just discovered the second layer by transferring through the phone

NoCarrier · 05-16-2003, 10:07 PM

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Originally posted by Lane

maybe he didnt know. it's agent smith, who is trying to get out of matrix as well, and had just discovered the second layer by transferring through the phone

You don't understand, why would he cut his own hand if he knew this was just another layer?

Betray · 05-16-2003, 10:09 PM

i just got a email that says i can get a bigger penis, do i beleive it?

Lane · 05-16-2003, 10:19 PM

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Originally posted by NoCarrier

You don't understand, why would he cut his own hand if he knew this was just another layer?

dunno.. not sure if it has to do with it... maybe he has some sort of psycho character.. he wanted to kill neo with that knife

but still, look at all the other obvious evidence, rather than that little detail

MattK · 05-16-2003, 10:23 PM

hmm. I think I'll have to see it again with this matrix within the matrix viewpoint in mind. It seems like the best way so far to explain how neo kills the sentinels at the end.

NoCarrier · 05-16-2003, 10:31 PM

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Originally posted by Lane

dunno.. not sure if it has to do with it... maybe he has some sort of psycho character.. he wanted to kill neo with that knife

but still, look at all the other obvious evidence, rather than that little detail

Trust me, that little detail is really important. It gives important strength "against" the matrix inside the matrix theory. That scene is important, if not, it would be part of a director's cut on DVD. Every scene is important to the story. If they left that scene in the original cut, it has importance.

The fact remains, Bane cut his own hand to feel humain pain in the real world (because it's the 1st time and became human). It this was another Matrix, he wouldn't even give it a try.

Lane · 05-16-2003, 10:36 PM

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Originally posted by NoCarrier

The fact remains, Bane cut his own hand to feel humain pain in the real world (because it's the 1st time and became human). It this was another Matrix, he wouldn't even give it a try.

maybe it's a feature of the secondary matrix? so that people can believe that they are in the real world.

if he was human, how the hell was he the only survivor of the attack?

NoCarrier · 05-16-2003, 10:41 PM

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Originally posted by Lane

maybe it's a feature of the secondary matrix? so that people can believe that they are in the real world.

if he was human, how the hell was he the only survivor of the attack?

Maybe he gained powers like Neo at the end.

psyko514 · 05-16-2003, 10:52 PM

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Originally posted by Lane

maybe it's a feature of the secondary matrix? so that people can believe that they are in the real world.

if he was human, how the hell was he the only survivor of the attack?

maybe cause he's on the side of the machines?
remember they mentioned someone let an EMP go too early?

Lane · 05-16-2003, 10:54 PM

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Originally posted by NoCarrier

Maybe he gained powers like Neo at the end.

i don't believe him having those powers in a real world. its a science fiction, not fantasy.

then why would he say "there is something wrong. I can feel them."? it's wrong for him to have the powers in the real world. so it is not real.

Lane · 05-16-2003, 10:59 PM

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Originally posted by psyko514

maybe cause he's on the side of the machines?
remember they mentioned someone let an EMP go too early?

i know but this doesnt prove that its not another matrix.

besides, he is not on either side anymore, he has disconnected from the system. now he is one of the malfunctioning programs that the oracle was talking about. he is after his own freedom.

just the last scene itself, where neo stops those machines, is enough evidence for me that it's not a real world..

anyway, just cant wait to see the 3rd episode.. whats so great about this movie is that people can throw many different ideas and argue them, like we are right now. they have come up with some great philosophical story.

PostWhore · 05-16-2003, 11:00 PM

yeah
when he stopped the machines, it was obvious that it is not a real world

prolly it is matrix in the matrix in the matrix or something..hehe

Dildozer · 05-16-2003, 11:24 PM

Maybe Neo got upgraded with a bluetooth device

NETbilling · 05-16-2003, 11:34 PM

Nice explanation guys but I just got back from the movvie and thought it sucked. It wasn't even sold out on friday night at 8pm. I loved the first move but the end was horrible. They should be embarrased. The fight scenes were repetitious and boring. I even saw people walk out.

You just do not end a movie like that, even to lead into another. Complete the chapter for my $8.50, damit!

Mitch

markell · 05-17-2003, 02:12 AM

fucking nerds!

05-16-2003, 03:29 PM	#1
KRosh So Fucking Outlawed Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 5,114	DO NOT read if you haven't seen the Matrix I am not sure if too many people truly understand what this movie is actually saying, so I will try to explain it for those that don't get what they just saw. The first thing I recommend is that you try to remove your ego, people all have them - so they believe that the movie must be about people. But actually it is about software and mainframe code. The main computer has been caught in a loop cycle for 5 iterations, and it is trying to find a variance that will break this cycle by utilizing a random bit anomaly piece of software (Neo), to allow it to fully complete its cycle. It has tried this before, but has always failed and in its attempts. It is trying to factor in all variables of its program to make absolute sure of complete success before it attempts to actually implement the complete procedure, like an good piece of software (debugging iteself - "it is the why that is important"). Beta software waiting to go gold. The only factor that was not counted on was an anomaly of two programs intersecting and one becoming a self-replicating virus bent on absolute destruction (Smith), and the anomoly (Neo) complementing his program with protectorate software. This is a brilliant movie, that once you wrap your head around, is really just an ultimate version of Tron with no human watchers (Jeff Bridges), of a computer SuperNoc running through a simulation with all possible factors being worked first, before it initializes the program for real. If Neo completes his role and meets his ultimate purpose as software, then our hero allows the computer to see all variances that it will need to contend with, so that it can fully implement the real program on our world. Matrix - main base operating system. Zion - secondary operating system for software that can no longer can function in main sytem - but can be utilized to build new a matrix system. Neo - Random bit anomaly software for breaking loop cycle ñ utilized by the Oracle and Architect software to be a random variable to upgrade itself ñ upgraded with protectorate code from Smith (Anti-Virus). Trinity - complement software to aid in Neo's completion of purpose. Morpheus and crew - collector programs for mainframe to try to enable the end of the loop cycle. Architect - Mainframe operating system. Oracle - old Macro Software that has been part of all 5 iterations of the loop and can see all variances. Oracle's Protector - Mainframe hard code software. Merovingian - old Neo that did not fully implement objective in beta 5.0. Merovingian's wife - old trinity code. Twins, and Merovingian's guards - old base black ice protector code. Head Counselor in Zion - Advisor for Mainframe that advises Neo along his upgrade to not touch the main bios (engineering) systems. Key Maker - come on now, to easy, a simple keygen. Smith - self-replicating virus - now capable of moving to either system infused with anomaly code from Neo. I truly loved this movie and it is so amazingly deep compared to the first if you know what it really happening. I hope this helps anyone who walked out of the theater like 95% of the crowd I saw it with, scratching their heads thinking, "What the fucK, that was stupid I don't get it." I am stating that what I am saying is absolute, but if you watch the movie and listen to what they all truly are saying it seems pretty obvious. Be wary all, your hero is our destruction, enjoy

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Anthony_A Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,219	Krosh, Thanks bro! Awesome breakdown. Made me appreciate the movie even more! __________________ PAYBUYNET.COM Need Processing? Email me tony at paybuynet dot com ICQ 21239908

05-16-2003, 03:44 PM	#12
Lane Will code for food... Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Buckeye, AZ Posts: 8,496	I'm a month away from getting my computer science degree. I think the stuff you just wrote contains too many misused terms. And personally I would not try think everything in the movie as software. Sorry, right now I'm too lazy to point out every single thing that I disagree with you, cuz I wanna gonna go grab my dinner now. I repect your attempt to think this way though, but you should combine software and reality in your philosophy, instead going to the extreme to explain every single thing as software related. peace __________________

05-16-2003, 04:20 PM	#17
FreeNetPass Steve Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: A van down by the river Posts: 442	I think it was a great breakdown __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

05-16-2003, 03:30 PM	#2
MattO The O is for Oohhh Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: AUSTIN TEJAS Posts: 10,861	spam

05-16-2003, 03:32 PM	#5
voodooman Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Homeless Posts: 801	$20 says someone who hasnt seen the movie yet, WILL indeed read this thread. Its just human nature, predictable as a clock. So if you do read this, and you were one of those that bitched and cried because of my matrix thread, Stop Crying now.

05-16-2003, 03:35 PM	#8
Cheeba Filas Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 256	Krosh I couldn't have put any better. Your on the money

05-16-2003, 03:43 PM	#11
jasonir Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Toro'no Posts: 1,887	Krosh, thanks a lot. That made a lot of sense. How did you come to the conclusion that Zion was a secondary OS, and if it is, where does everything actually exist? All the humans connected to the matrix are in the "Real World" where Zion is. No? Is everything just a computer program?

05-16-2003, 03:47 PM	#13
rooster Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,384	sounds ghey

05-16-2003, 04:35 PM	#20
playa Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: atlanta, GA Posts: 6,432	nice it made alot of sense now, those fuckers kept on blabbing their mouths,, only part i like was when that guy said he like to cuss in french cuz its like "wiping your ass with silk"

05-16-2003, 04:40 PM	#22
FlyingIguana aspiring banker Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: toronto Posts: 10,870	where did all the paragraphs go?

05-16-2003, 05:20 PM	#24
Alky Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston Posts: 5,651	what terms did he misuse?

05-16-2003, 06:11 PM	#26
Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	Nicely written KRosh. You could have written the bible or you could easily be one of the folks writing the stories in Christian Science Monitor that correlates current events with what bible prophecies say. That's basically the same thing you did for the movie. Still, I really think you have a nice explanation. __________________ I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade... Webair, bitches.

05-16-2003, 06:56 PM	#27
Lane Will code for food... Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Buckeye, AZ Posts: 8,496	wake up people The matrix is in another matrix. This movie would not go as far as granting Neo supernatural powers in the real world. Haven't you seen how he could feel the machines coming and stop them in the 'real' world? This let him to realize the fact that there are layers of matrix and shocked him into a coma. It is is possible that the architect was lying but there was a lot of truth behind it. He mentioned that this is the 6th version of this whole thing and zion was rebuilt 5 times. I don't see this possible. I think zion is also a creation of these machines to give the illusion of freedom to that 1% of people who did not exactly accept the excistence of the matrix and were supposedly waken up. One of my guesses is that there is a real zion outside of the bigger matrix, which the machines have tried to simulate inside to try to collect more statistical info so they would figure out how the destroy it. I don't think the real zion has been rebuilt 5 times, it was only the images that have. Remember that Neo said how oracle wasn't actually telling all truth? The oracle doesn't exactly tell the future. She has just seen the previous versions and knows what's gonna happen next from experience. But at the end, this 6th version makes a choice beyond the expectations of the machines and goes through the left door and is able to save trinity. Because this time he did not follow his logic but his emotions. anyway, this is just a movie, and it's just produced by a bunch of smart people. nevertheless , its a masterpiece. I think I'll just wait to see the next one whithout thinking much further than this, where i am maybe just wrong anyway. __________________

05-16-2003, 07:29 PM	#29
plexer Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: NJ/AZ Posts: 1,339	Cant read it, my eyes go cross eyed.. __________________ I'M FREEEEE!!!!

05-16-2003, 08:16 PM	#30
Daen Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 177	If the real world (Zion, Neo, etc.) is another Matrix then the film series is in danger of going to a very bad place. When a screenplay relies on the ?it was all a dream story line? then they have just run out of ideas and are just milking the box office. Matrix was one of the best films I had ever seen. Reloaded was not.

05-16-2003, 08:36 PM	#31
MattK Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 492	interesting. I figured that the old guy with the beard in Zion was the previous "one", or "one" number 5. I think Zion is in the real world, and not a secondary matrix... I think the traitor who tries to hurt Neo in Zion has something to do with the architect, he is a human planted in Zion to stop Neo. It is confusing how Neo stopped the sentinels at the end, since he was only supposed to have super powers in the matrix. And the guy who spoke french in the movie had some powers inside the matrix, is he a human like Neo or just another program within the matrix like agent Smith?

05-16-2003, 10:01 PM	#35
NoCarrier We need more free porn Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 16,356	One thing that makes me think the real world is REAL is agent smith becoming human through Bane.. Remember when Bane cuts his own hand to feel pain for the first time? to bleed, to be truly alive and human.. If he knew the "real" world was also fake, why would he do that? __________________ Last edited by NoCarrier; 05-16-2003 at 10:06 PM..

05-16-2003, 10:09 PM	#38
Betray Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 346	i just got a email that says i can get a bigger penis, do i beleive it?

05-16-2003, 10:23 PM	#40
MattK Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 492	hmm. I think I'll have to see it again with this matrix within the matrix viewpoint in mind. It seems like the best way so far to explain how neo kills the sentinels at the end.

05-16-2003, 11:00 PM	#47
PostWhore Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,720	yeah when he stopped the machines, it was obvious that it is not a real world prolly it is matrix in the matrix in the matrix or something..hehe __________________ Ask me how to monetize with adult traffic!

05-16-2003, 11:24 PM	#48
Dildozer Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 7,519	Maybe Neo got upgraded with a bluetooth device __________________ Spam link here

05-16-2003, 11:34 PM	#49
NETbilling Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Huntington Beach, CA Posts: 8,584	Nice explanation guys but I just got back from the movvie and thought it sucked. It wasn't even sold out on friday night at 8pm. I loved the first move but the end was horrible. They should be embarrased. The fight scenes were repetitious and boring. I even saw people walk out. You just do not end a movie like that, even to lead into another. Complete the chapter for my $8.50, damit! Mitch __________________ Mitch Farber CEO - NETbilling, Inc. Email / Phone: 888-357-8166 / 661-252-2456 Transaction processing & 24/7 call center services with exceptional rates and flexibility, since 1998!

05-17-2003, 02:12 AM	#50
markell Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Las Vegas & Los Angeles Posts: 1,190	fucking nerds! __________________ blah blah fucking blah