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Dude. You just took the words right out of my mouth.

To answer your question, I don't believe there is a site that is better for black performers specifically... It used to be really easy for good black performers to get notoriety because there were so few black girls on camsites, but this has changed somewhat since Colombia learned about camsites and opened 293823948 studios, so now it's somewhat harder. Still, all the same rules apply to black performers and if they are hardworking and committed they are as successful as white girls. The biggest battle they face is against their own feelings of insecurity, for some reason many black models I have talked to really believe they don't have the same opportunities as white or latinas, and they discourage themselves from working because they don't believe they can be successful. Tell your black performer friends to check out the most salient black performers from MFC and CB to get a glimpse of what can be accomplished.

Now, about the rest of your post... I want to clarify a few things..

1) CB is not perceived as a model friendly site by all models, in fact, most models consider them one of the worst sites to work on in terms of relationship with support. Models don't feel CB appreciates them for multiple reasons.. for example, they are ban-happy and will ban first, ask later sometimes with ludicrous reasons like "you look underage" even though they have your ID and you have been working their site for 6 years. Some models rely on CB income for their living and getting CB to respond and unban them when they get a BS ban like this can take weeks... then they struggle to pay rent (b) when there's issues with studios, or users, or affiliates they tend to side with the other parties, I know the perception from the POV of affiliates is different and perhaps the feeling here is they side with models because they allow them to use the affiliate program, but the perception among models is they always get the shit end of the stick.. and they are sometimes right... (c) They are probably the only camsite that charges models for chargebacks. Also: they used to be stupid strict up until like 2015 about linking anywhere. Model's couldn't even link their twitter accounts in their bios. It's only after winning and becoming the most popular site they have gotten more lax about it and allowed models to link to their social media and other sites. My opinion on the subject of the treatment CB gives models or affiliates for that matter, is different though, I do not envy Chaturbate support one bit, it must be really had to be at the epicenter of the tensions between 4 different groups of interest and not embarass yourself... they make a lot of mistakes but they try not to betray any group, maybe they lack a bit of a spine, but it's a very difficult balancing act.

2) You are right about them not being vigilant, I think I used the wrong word. What I meant is when people report a model for "clear cookies" in their bios they do issue warnings to the models and they do so manually. I wonder if they could put up a system to filter texts in bios.. like the do with raffle keywords, maybe they already do, it has been a long time since I saw anything like that in a bio. Also, the reason you friend got banned after you showed up on his stream is because for a while they had facial recognition software and would ban when a second face appeared on stream if there wasn't any other verified performers in the account. I once got banned for showing a video with a face on my phone screen. I think they might have done away with it since, but again, I dont know.

Here is why they don't ban models from the program and why it might not be the best solution to the problem: you get a much higher conversion rate when you have performers pushing the audience to sign up than when you leave it to happenstance. Models will direct members to sign up when they have some skin in the game. If you take them off the affiliate program they will not be interested in pushing anyone to sign up, then the conversion rate drops for everyone across the board. They need to put it in their bios so models mention it when they stream, that's when it's most effective. You could force them to take the links off their bios, sure, but they will continue to lure their own whales to signup with their affiliate link offsite. You could ban them from the program altogether, but how can you enforce it? They can simply open a normal user account and use that affiliate link instead.

There is no solution to this issue. It comes with the game. Affiliates need to understand while on paper it's "lifetime revshare" in the concrete practical reality there are limits when a member becomes too invested in a specific model simply because of the nature of the relationship, I have seen members tell support they want their % to go to the model they support or they will start supporting them through cashapp and onlyfans instead. This after learning from the model about the affiliate cut.

And I am going to break a plate for the locusts here by trying to show you the other side of the coin... When I worked on MFC I had a "whale" who spent around $200k in two years. Keeping him happy was time consuming and unnerving, would pester me offsite to talk my ear off about his psychotic mother and his fox terrier and expected me to counsel him, would take over my time, and wouldn't respect any boundaries. I didn't get rid of the guy (I should have) because I was inexperienced and he was the source of 30% of my income, but the fact remains I earned about $100k after MFC's cut and did intensive labor to get that. And out there, in the world, there was some dude who made $30k in the same amount of time while eating cheetos in his slacks... all he did was provide a popup to click on and wash his hands. I would have very gladly given up $70k if it meant I could skip his long winded story about his uncle's funeral and his dog getting irritable bowel syndrome. So to some models the fact that they have to put up with certain members every day makes them feel justified in stealing the affiliate's cut. They don't see the daily work behind the affiliate's traffic and they believe it is simply putting up a pop-up and going to bed.

In my opinion Chaturbate should explain very clearly to models what the role of the affiliate is and why it is important. They need to drill the idea into their heads so they understand why it is wrong to steal it by instructing existing members to create new accounts. Shaming tactics also work, we got people to stop smoking by teaching them why it is wrong and shaming those who didn't quit, it's a powerful tool but it has to be enforced from the top.

Good thread. I'll just leave my mark here so I can easily find my way back.

This is why helping new models understand the way things works when they signup for a program would be beneficial.

The person who sent that click likely spent years of their life building a site that was trusted enough by their customer that the customer decided to click to a cam and spend all of that money. While the model is talking to that customer, the webmaster is working to send them future customers. The models are doing hard work, but so are the people who generates leads.

The models understand that they need future leads. Cam sites should help them understand that if they cut out lead generators, their current customer could be their last.

So pvts and tips aren't motivation any more? When did models become so lazy and unmotivated? In the old days, and probably still on some/most sites, there are no affiliate incentives for models. The incentive to get a signup is for a guy to spend money on you.

There's a sign up button on every page which they can mention when they stream. There's absolutely no reason at all for a performer to be credited for bringing someone to the site who is already on the site.

Yes, and there's zero problem with that, at least IMO, because then they're just acting like affiliates, bringing new traffic to CB, and deserve the credit for that traffic. And I'd certainly much rather that than scumbag affiliates (of which there are probably a few here) making fake model profiles on social media.

A performer privately contacting a member or the member wanting to help out the performer is a different issue (from stuff on the bio), and one reason I think affiliates shouldn't turn themselves grey over this. The one problem with any solution is that performers can always just PM someone and ask them to do it. There's no way to even know that is happening, let alone stop it.

Exactly. If they thought it was easy they'd be doing it. But they know it's a lot easier (for them) sitting on their ass staring at their mobile all day, relying on their good luck in the genetic lottery.

And that cheeto guy (I thought you had veered off to talk about Trump for a second) is (as you know) the reason you made $100k. Assuming he exists. Not everyone reaches CB through a referral link.

BTW, if you would genuinely prefer $30k to $100k just to avoid talking to that guy you'd have stopped talking to him when you made $30k.

Pretty much how I see it.

I don't think you understand the work that goes behind that and how time consuming it is to focus your attention on anonymous users new to the site who don't have any inclination on signing up and convert them into spenders. It can be done but it's time consuming and you can only advertise one thing at a time when you are streaming. The time you spend explaining how to sign up, why to do it, what the benefits of becoming a member is, the payment methods, how it will not show up as "chaturbate" on their bank statement, etc... is time you aren't earning any money. What is worse.. it's time you are losing momentum on your show and many members leave your room because listening to that speech is boring for existing members. So if you want models to take anonymous users by the hand and get them to signup you better offer them an incentive to do so.

Without an incentive models wont waste their time on anons when they can focus all of your attention on members that already have tokens in their accounts ready to spend them.

Again, there is a button there but why would they mention that button when they already have 50 users with tokens in the room waiting for a reason to spend them? Unless you are a model on page 12 struggling to get any members in your room and you are keeping your hope alive that one of those anonymous users will one day spend on you... there is absolutely 0 incentive for a model to focus on that when she can do a ticket show or build up momentum towards a goal.

Seems like my point was lost in the translation... what I meant is.. ban models from having their affiliate link in their bios and they will then promote their social media. Her CB whale follows her on say, twitter, and she asks him there to clear cookies and sign up again under her affiliate link. What is CB going to do about that? It's impossible to police. Then you will see a hit on the conversion rate across the board when models no longer work on getting people to sign up AND YET continue to lose the whales because they will leak them offsite. You could then ask CB to ban models from linking their social media in their bios. Models will not like that at all and some will even move to another camsite with a shitty affiliate program that shaves your earnings, so the quality of CB models suffers and your conversions do too. And the ones who stay? well.. ardent whales will still find them using google like they do on Streamate. There's simply no way to win this for the affiliate.. once a member is too invested in a single model your battle is lost, he has a loyalty and he will follow the model anywhere. What the smart affiliate does is focus his attention on getting a ton of small to medium accounts. Why? for multiple reasons... because your income is much more stable, losing a member is irrelevant, because people who spend in moderation have a sustainable habit vs whales who burn through 5 credit cards in 5 months never to be seen again. It's the same with tippers, actually... much better to have many tippers who know how to spend within their means than to have a whale

Here is your mistake. Models can't turn members en masse. Promoting the link in their bios will credit the account to the original affiliate because the cookie doesn't expire, so the only accounts they get credited for are those without a cookie already in their browser. You should run tests, I have: clear your cookies, click on your own affiliate link, then go to a model's bio and click on her signup link and signup then, you will see the signup credited to yourself. The problem isn't the link in their bios, even if they say to clear cookies.. only someone extremely invested in the relationship with the model will take the extra steps to clear cookies before signing up, but like I said, CB is handling those texts in bios, I haven't seen "clear cookies" or "use a different browser" in over a year. The only members models steal are whales and those who are super invested in her. Which is a tiny percentage but in some cases the biggest spenders.

Sounds to me like you have 0 clue what the actual work of a camgirl is. Super gorgeous models who stare at their mobile all day are sitting pretty on page 12. Good luck might help you the first day, but the vast majority of models will not last 3 months. That's because this job takes skill, talent, commitment, ambition, grit, and a lot of wit. You are just as ignorant about the model side as the ignorant models are of the affiliate's work. I suggest you take the time to see this issue from more than your own perspective, it will make you make smarter choices in business to know how models work and what the landscape is after signing up for your accounts.


Here you make the same mistake... consider this job is done by 2 parties. The affiliate gets the member to the door, but the model gets the member to spend. It is a collaboration. I wouldn't have made money off that guy if he didn't reach the door to begin with... but the affiliate wouldnt have made his cut if I hadn't endured his annoying bullshit for 2 years finding ways to keep it interesting for him. So... you see.. it is better when each party has dignity and is valued for their key part in the process.[/QUOTE]

I should have, but I didn't because the way these whales operate... I can explain in more depth how these whales wreck a model's room if anyone is interested.. but this reply is getting quite lengthy

Absolutely. I completely agree with this. I dont think anyone explains this to models and unless they have an affiliate marketing background they have no idea this is going on behind the scenes. Chaturbate should at the very least make a guide for models on this topic

Hi Lili!

Is it possible to become famous cam model from zero for a person who have been never did this before?

@Lili - does your Chaturbate bio design look astonishing?
Usually webcam performers don't give much interest to that because its not their job to learn, know, adapt and apply marketing strategies and by all means, in online environment, image (branding) is a powerful calling card (not to mention the other benefits of having a profile page which works for you)

So it's not worth boring members to attract a new fan who might spend $100k on you, which is why you are there, but fuck them if you can possibly snag a 20% affiliate signup?

There are plenty of ways you're not allowed to promote CB. How do you think they police those? Stasi informers have nothing on rival affiliates.

There are about 60 pages of female performers on CB, which means 4 out of every 5 female performers are on page 13 or higher, so it's you who has zero clue what the actual work of a camgirl is, beyond your own little fairytale ivory tower.

When will cb be like mfc that don't offer an affiliate program for models?

What do you mean by “famous”? You mean being a front page model? Winning awards? Being recognised on the streets of your city? Being invited to a TV show or radio show as a spokesperson? It is surely possible to join today and make some waves on whatever site you choose. All it takes is having a fun personality and a distinctive look. What happens after depends entirely on the model and her capacity to keep the buzz going