I found out why the sponsor conversions suck

Sign up?! I couldn't find anything saying that. Looks like a self stocked tgp site since there aren't any links for webmasters that I could see anyhow.

Well at least it's under control of one guy who seems to push his sponsors quite well using their content and tools, some pages have only a few low res pics Nice not to be jerked around too much. Hope he can cover the BW bill.

Well, I guess I have to chime in on this one.
Jcman - Do you really believe this site is the reason why you can't make any money...?? You would probably cry if I told you how many sign ups it generated on a daily basis. It's all about hard work bro. About 75 % of the content on that site is readily available to a webmaster willing to look for it. Most of the programs you probably know about already but here is a list of a bunch of them. Sign up for a sponsor and they give you hundreds of free pictures to build galleries with. Now all you have to do is spend time working (and not writing about other people in message boards) I don't do pissing matches and I know you weren't really looking to start shit with this post but it burns me up when people are in here bitching about why they can't get rich with their 2K TGP and their 20 or 30 galleries.... and then they have the nerve to blame some of the larger sites.

If you do the work - it WILL pay off.

By the way - how the fuck did I become a Boneprone family member.???? I have no family, and that's how I like it.

I think the point he was attempting to make is why the hell should I sign up (Me being joe-blow horny netsurfer) if I can get free content like that on a decent server for free? That site is pretty fast, and it has thousands of free pictures..

I dunno, does it really matter though? Is there still enough traffic to go around?

-Phil

Captain P
That is a really nice looking site. If those are all your galleries, more fucking power to ya. Just looks like a clean TGP to me.

Also, that Boneprone Family member stuff is just some shit they board admins have for guys without a lot of posts. I don't know if they are goofing on him, or busting his balls. I've known Boneprone for years, I really had no clue he had some kind of "Family" deal going on. If it makes him happy, cool.

Phil21 -- I hear what you're saying but I just don't get the argument.... so many people say that with all these TGP's giving away so much for free then why would anyone join..??? How about because a TGP offers a bunch of 10 to 20 picture galleries where as a pay site has 10's of thousands of pics (usually very well organized) in addition to hundreds of movies, e-zines, chat, stories... etc. etc. etc.... I think people who surf free sites are nuts.
By the way Phil, I know you were just giving your thoughts on what the original post may have meant so that rant was not directed at you
Steve - Thanks for the kind words. I know your work very well... another hard working webmaster who deserves everything he has.

Nice site Captain P, But I can just image all the bandwidth that site is sucking, hope you really are making a ton of signups.

Help me understand as well. (I'm still learning some of the lingo) but wouldn't that fall into the "free site" category?

Isn't that the point of doing galleries? You buildn a free site like "quicknclean" and add your galleries to it. Then submit those galleries to tgps, those galleries have a recip to your free site, and brings in traffic. Then once you start getting traffic, you submit the free site to the SEs and forget about it. Then you do another one, and another... In time you have a ton of free sites, possibly with cross linked galleries, all of which are in the SEs, tgp archives, new tgps, all of which give you more exposure. More exposure = more $$



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Well, it is easy to make money by giving away high quality paysite images. Sleazydream.com, Ultra Movies, Web Nudes will all tell you the same thing...

Anyone can do it - it isn't good money, but it is enough to live off. For a few hours per day it is risky work. But very easy.

Speaking of tgps, I just opened a new one. It's a Richard's Realm mirror - I plan to set up about 50 of these. Together, I should be able to build a major 500,000 traffic pump with the help of my Scandanavian tools.
http://hahsex.com/

There isn't much traffic on it yet but it should be 5k+ in a week. Just 'cause I'm a Richard's Realm mirror doesn't mean that I can't list my own galleries.

If you have nice galleries, then send them to me [email protected] and I'll list them asap.

Just a few rules....
1. Keep it legal.
2. Make it nice looking.
3. Story and movie galleries ESPECIALLY welcome.

Send them and I'll list them as soon as the traffic kicks in.

[(and not writing about other people in message boards)]

Relax Captain P the fact is I think your web site is cool if i was a web surfer i would have your web site in my bookmarks to get free pics win i want to blow my lode, but you see that is my hole point why would any one want to sign up if they can get it for free. Im not trying to start something here just trying to have a simple discussion about this issue.

Why cant we be friends why cant we be friends

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[This message has been edited by Jcman (edited 05-19-2001).]

Redshoe -- You hit the nail on the head. It's a simple plan that seems to fall on deaf ears.

Idinternet -- I have no idea where you are coming from... "risky work" ??? why ??? and as for it being easy... you must be crazy. Me and my partner have built nearly 1,000 galleries, and almost everyone is unique. Not a bunch of ugly templates mass produced by some auto builder piece of crap. They are also hand submitted every night to a massive list of high traffic TGP's because that is the only way to get in with those guys (which is another topic all together)... and how do you plan to make money with your Richard's Realm mirrors? Especially seeing as how you said you can't make much money listing your own galleries. I guess I am confused.

Jcman -- I'm relaxed, and we're cool. I'm not mad (although I may have been when I first saw the post) but I already answered your question of why would someone sign up?? It's simple... we are targeting the internet of the future... the surfer that wants more than a bunch of static pictures... the surfer that loves amateurs and wants more than the couple hundred we have, or the surfer that has a decent connection to the internet and wants movies to whack off to. It's a small piece of the pie now but it will all be in place as the internet gets quicker and easier. Surf some of the galleries and you will see that they all try and upsell the paysites by bragging about how much more content they have than my site.... way more pictures, movies, 1 on 1 chat, exclusive content, e-zines... and the list goes on and on.

RedShoe,
You'r right dude

I competely agree with Captain P on this one. Here's my story.

I just launched this site, updated it daily, and let it go. Mostly because i had to convert my code from ASP to PHP...so that took a lot of my time. Plus i didnt have time to market the site.

So within the time of moving the code over, the traffic was increasing on it's own. It's been about two months and the site gets about 2500k a day...87% bookmark.

Point is, when i took the site down for a few days to upload the new version, by the end of the day after uploading the new site, i was still above 2000 hits.

That's the power of the bookmark. And from the galleries i submitted to my own TGP, coversions were quite good.

I just started trading traffic recently, just to get new traffic back to my site. But it's not my priority.

My priority is to have a clean site that surfers can call home...and provide content that *converts* to sales.
Captain P understands this....why? Cause it works.

So what does all this bookmark stuff and everything have to do with any of this?

As i said in a previous post way back when, (that fell onto deaf ears as well) if your surfers trust you, they will click on anything you throw in there face.

You'd be surprise how much you can make with 3000 hits a days. Right now i dont have the time to fill my TGP with my own galleries, nor do i need to...i make money from my paysites. But i can only imagine how well it does...since my few experiments on my own TGPs have proven to be very worth it.

So to tie all this shit together, it goes like this. Heres the formula i use.
Bookmarks = surfer trust = clickable surfers = sales = $$$$ (plus if your site goes down, you dont have to rely on traffic from others)

Unfortunately, this take some time to build, but its worth it. I'm not after the quick cash... I'm after the long term stability. If i wasn't making an income from my other ventures in the adult business, i would be posting to my own tgps as well. And if i couldn't post to my own TGP due to lack of time, i would rather take an outside job or something to keep my site clean...cause i know the value of surfer loyalty and the long term stabilty it brings (coming from a paysite conversion point of view)

Great job Captain P...keep it up.
Hit me up on icq: 97282074