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  • NALEM
    Confirmed User
    • Nov 2010
    • 3163
    #1

    Affiliates ...Do you suspect Chargeback fraud by the merchants?

    Ask the merchants/platforms for a certified copy of the reports and related documentation regarding the chargebacks. How far you want to go back is up to you. 3-6-12 months?

    Don't just rely on the affiliate reporting panel, to see that Johnny Smith Customer #123456 charged back 65 USD plus the 35 USD chargeback fee plus your commission being reversed.

    There is written communication/documentation between the banks, PSPs and merchants showing the consumer/client information, and funds being clawed back, etc.
    "The time men spend in trying to impress others they could spend in doing the things by which others would be impressed."
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    • ZENRA
      Confirmed User
      • Sep 2016
      • 655
      #2
      Have you heard of any affiliate software having a way to post 'fake' chargebacks? Would definitely be extremely scummy if it did and programs were making use of it.
      ZENRA | Subtitled Japanese AV | @ZENRAMANIAC
      JAV VR Content Manager at SexLikeReal

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        • fuzebox
          making it rain
          • Oct 2003
          • 22351
          #3
          I'd just terminate any affiliate who asked me for this.

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            • itx
              Confirmed User
              • Aug 2007
              • 980
              #4
              Originally posted by fuzebox
              I'd just terminate any affiliate who asked me for this.


              Good luck terminate someone who makes you sales.

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                • itx
                  Confirmed User
                  • Aug 2007
                  • 980
                  #5
                  Originally posted by NALEM
                  Ask the merchants/platforms for a certified copy of the reports and related documentation regarding the chargebacks. How far you want to go back is up to you. 3-6-12 months?

                  Don't just rely on the affiliate reporting panel, to see that Johnny Smith Customer #123456 charged back 65 USD plus the 35 USD chargeback fee plus your commission being reversed.

                  There is written communication/documentation between the banks, PSPs and merchants showing the consumer/client information, and funds being clawed back, etc.
                  Pretty interesting, the banks allow a dispute within 60-90 days of the transaction.

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                    • Ferus
                      Bye - Left to do stuff
                      • Feb 2013
                      • 4108
                      #6
                      Giving affiliates copy of the reports would be breaking privacy laws you dumb fuck

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                        • itx
                          Confirmed User
                          • Aug 2007
                          • 980
                          #7
                          Dumb fuck why? is a smart question asshole...

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                            • SBJ
                              So Fucking Fabulous
                              • Apr 2003
                              • 11387
                              #8
                              Originally posted by itx


                              Good luck terminate someone who makes you sales.
                              No the type of person that would ask for this is not worth your time. The affiliates that make you real sales understands CBs happen and never 2nd guess it. The person that asks for this info makes you less than 1% of sales and isn't worth your time.

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                                • constantinos
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Dec 2020
                                  • 47
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by NALEM
                                  Ask the merchants/platforms for a certified copy of the reports and related documentation regarding the chargebacks. How far you want to go back is up to you. 3-6-12 months?

                                  Don't just rely on the affiliate reporting panel, to see that Johnny Smith Customer #123456 charged back 65 USD plus the 35 USD chargeback fee plus your commission being reversed.

                                  There is written communication/documentation between the banks, PSPs and merchants showing the consumer/client information, and funds being clawed back, etc.
                                  I don't think that its for the benefit of the providers to become 'scammers' on chargebacks. I am not 100% sure, but I think that they should show some proof/documentation on that.

                                  In general, trust should be build on B2B businesses, just saying
                                  http://www.amateurpayouts.com/

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                                    • vdbucks
                                      Monger Cash
                                      • Jul 2010
                                      • 2773
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by NALEM
                                      Ask the merchants/platforms for a certified copy of the reports and related documentation regarding the chargebacks. How far you want to go back is up to you. 3-6-12 months?

                                      Don't just rely on the affiliate reporting panel, to see that Johnny Smith Customer #123456 charged back 65 USD plus the 35 USD chargeback fee plus your commission being reversed.

                                      There is written communication/documentation between the banks, PSPs and merchants showing the consumer/client information, and funds being clawed back, etc.
                                      This is about the dumbest thing I have ever heard in relation to this industry...

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                                        • NALEM
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Nov 2010
                                          • 3163
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by vdbucks
                                          This is about the dumbest thing I have ever heard in relation to this industry...
                                          You're right. What could I possibly know, as the MD for the largest chargebacks recovery for this industry?
                                          "The time men spend in trying to impress others they could spend in doing the things by which others would be impressed."

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                                            • vdbucks
                                              Monger Cash
                                              • Jul 2010
                                              • 2773
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by NALEM
                                              You're right. What could I possibly know, as the MD for the largest chargebacks recovery for this industry?
                                              If you are giving clients' banking records to affiliates you are breaking the law...

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                                                • Miguel
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Apr 2004
                                                  • 2978
                                                  #13
                                                  Never tried to ask such a documentation from billing companies using. I am not sure they will provide it actually.
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                                                    • Ferus
                                                      Bye - Left to do stuff
                                                      • Feb 2013
                                                      • 4108
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by NALEM
                                                      You're right. What could I possibly know, as the MD for the largest chargebacks recovery for this industry?
                                                      Lol - grats at winning at the Special Olympics
                                                      Might want to secure your server with SSL... 5 years ago

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                                                        • Ferus
                                                          Bye - Left to do stuff
                                                          • Feb 2013
                                                          • 4108
                                                          #15
                                                          It's fucking funny, that a industry that is build on selling dating-memberships with 99% fake members, and hidden cross sells, now want to "Go after the consumer" when they get a chargeback... How Fucking dumb do you have to be NALEM, to come up with ideas like this?

                                                          How about you try and make your own money NALEM, instead of continuously trying to come up with schemes that leach off affiliates income?

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                                                            • Mahadeva
                                                              Cornfirmed User
                                                              • Feb 2020
                                                              • 147
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by Ferus
                                                              It's fucking funny, that a industry that is build on selling dating-memberships with 99% fake members, and hidden cross sells, now want to "Go after the consumer" when they get a chargeback... How Fucking dumb do you have to be NALEM, to come up with ideas like this?

                                                              How about you try and make your own money NALEM, instead of continuously trying to come up with schemes that leach off affiliates income?
                                                              For a guy whose sig says they "left to do stuff" you sure do come here a lot. Does the manager at "McStuff" know you're posting here in between fry orders? Does your asshole ever get jealous of how much shit your mouth talks?

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                                                                • Ferus
                                                                  Bye - Left to do stuff
                                                                  • Feb 2013
                                                                  • 4108
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by Mahadeva
                                                                  For a guy whose sig says they "left to do stuff" you sure do come here a lot. Does the manager at "McStuff" know you're posting here in between fry orders? Does your asshole ever get jealous of how much shit your mouth talks?
                                                                  For someone who define people by their signature or tagline, you sure sound smart...

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                                                                    • fuzebox
                                                                      making it rain
                                                                      • Oct 2003
                                                                      • 22351
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by SBJ
                                                                      No the type of person that would ask for this is not worth your time. The affiliates that make you real sales understands CBs happen and never 2nd guess it. The person that asks for this info makes you less than 1% of sales and isn't worth your time.


                                                                      If you aren't happy with what I'm paying you for your traffic, there are plenty of places to send it.

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                                                                        • Ferus
                                                                          Bye - Left to do stuff
                                                                          • Feb 2013
                                                                          • 4108
                                                                          #19
                                                                          It's funny NALEM - howcome the text you use on your .co and .eu domain are from this site?
                                                                          https://nevercoldcall.typepad.com/chargebacks/

                                                                          Did you pay to use it? or just steal it?

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                                                                            • fuzebox
                                                                              making it rain
                                                                              • Oct 2003
                                                                              • 22351
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by NALEM
                                                                              You're right. What could I possibly know, as the MD for the largest chargebacks recovery for this industry?
                                                                              When did you get the gig with ChargebackHelp?

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                                                                                • Ferus
                                                                                  Bye - Left to do stuff
                                                                                  • Feb 2013
                                                                                  • 4108
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by Ferus
                                                                                  It's funny NALEM - howcome the text you use on your .co and .eu domain are from this site?
                                                                                  https://nevercoldcall.typepad.com/chargebacks/

                                                                                  Did you pay to use it? or just steal it?
                                                                                  Hey NALEM - why wont you answer? how did the text from his 2007 Blog end up on your industry-leading site?

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                                                                                    • NALEM
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Nov 2010
                                                                                      • 3163
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by Ferus
                                                                                      It's funny NALEM - howcome the text you use on your .co and .eu domain are from this site?
                                                                                      https://nevercoldcall.typepad.com/chargebacks/

                                                                                      Did you pay to use it? or just steal it?
                                                                                      Ferus, the forward facing text used for the Chargebacks site was placed there nearly a decade ago.

                                                                                      Any proposed content is based on our looking at dozens of sites to learn how they present information, etc, then we draft up our own version. Chargebacks and collections as keywords, keyword phrases and as a process, is well published on dozens, if not hundred of sites.

                                                                                      Out of curiosity I visited the URL you posted and see alot of text there. I didn't bother to revisit the Chargebacks sites to see what is the same and or different. With you not being 100 percent, it would be a waste of my time to demonstrate what differences if any exist.
                                                                                      "The time men spend in trying to impress others they could spend in doing the things by which others would be impressed."

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                                                                                        • NALEM
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Nov 2010
                                                                                          • 3163
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by fuzebox
                                                                                          When did you get the gig with ChargebackHelp?
                                                                                          Hi Fuzebox. I have never been employed in any capacity with ChargebackHelp, which is or was something that Raj (going on memory) started after we launched back in 2012.
                                                                                          "The time men spend in trying to impress others they could spend in doing the things by which others would be impressed."

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                                                                                            • NALEM
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Nov 2010
                                                                                              • 3163
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by Ferus
                                                                                              Hey NALEM - why wont you answer? how did the text from his 2007 Blog end up on your industry-leading site?
                                                                                              While I am frequently visiting this site for either entertainment or to be of some limited public service, I am not your bitch, contrary to what you may think of yourself.
                                                                                              "The time men spend in trying to impress others they could spend in doing the things by which others would be impressed."

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                                                                                                • itx
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Aug 2007
                                                                                                  • 980
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Now -some- people get mad for some valid and smart question about transparency. Is a company that knows what they're doing.

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                                                                                                    • JSWENSON
                                                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                      • Aug 2004
                                                                                                      • 3153
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by fuzebox


                                                                                                      If you aren't happy with what I'm paying you for your traffic, there are plenty of places to send it.
                                                                                                      Endless supply of shit companies out there, no doubt.

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                                                                                                        • Ferus
                                                                                                          Bye - Left to do stuff
                                                                                                          • Feb 2013
                                                                                                          • 4108
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by NALEM
                                                                                                          Ferus, the forward facing text used for the Chargebacks site was placed there nearly a decade ago.

                                                                                                          Any proposed content is based on our looking at dozens of sites to learn how they present information, etc, then we draft up our own version. Chargebacks and collections as keywords, keyword phrases and as a process, is well published on dozens, if not hundred of sites.

                                                                                                          Out of curiosity I visited the URL you posted and see alot of text there. I didn't bother to revisit the Chargebacks sites to see what is the same and or different. With you not being 100 percent, it would be a waste of my time to demonstrate what differences if any exist.

                                                                                                          Dress it up as much as you want, you are not fooling anyone.

                                                                                                          You STRAIGHT stole the text 1:1, and put it on your site, trying to create an feeling for the users, that you understood the market. But you only copy-pasted the content from a famous writers personal blog that HE wrote in 2007, and YOU stole in 2011 when you set up the site.

                                                                                                          The text is not "inspired by" its a 1:1 copy paste!!!

                                                                                                          https://web.archive.org/web/20111012...hargebacks.co/

                                                                                                          Theft is Theft old man... Trust me, I will bring this up at every chance I get, because people need to understand what a snake oil salesman/hack you are

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                                                                                                            • NALEM
                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                              • Nov 2010
                                                                                                              • 3163
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by Ferus
                                                                                                              Dress it up as much as you want, you are not fooling anyone.

                                                                                                              You STRAIGHT stole the text 1:1, and put it on your site, trying to create an feeling for the users, that you understood the market. But you only copy-pasted the content from a famous writers personal blog that HE wrote in 2007, and YOU stole in 2011 when you set up the site.

                                                                                                              The text is not "inspired by" its a 1:1 copy paste!!!

                                                                                                              https://web.archive.org/web/20111012...hargebacks.co/

                                                                                                              Theft is Theft old man... Trust me, I will bring this up at every chance I get, because people need to understand what a snake oil salesman/hack you are
                                                                                                              Ferus, while I still believe you are a schmuck, which is likely caused by you having OCD or something, you are quite the Sherlock Holmes. So credit is due to you.

                                                                                                              I took a more extended read at the blog link you posted, which contains about 3500 words, and compared it to the limited number of words, approximately 250, found on the unpublished/archived Chargebacks site. Unfortunately, I do see strong/near-identical/identical strings of words between the two sites. I did not search the internet for alternate sites that may have had similar content.

                                                                                                              If I had been an earlier target (say 2012) of the same love and affection you give me today, this would have been corrected with the same embarrassment and humiliation.

                                                                                                              Sarcasm aside, three thumbs up to your being a skilled internet sleuth.
                                                                                                              "The time men spend in trying to impress others they could spend in doing the things by which others would be impressed."

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                                                                                                                • Ferus
                                                                                                                  Bye - Left to do stuff
                                                                                                                  • Feb 2013
                                                                                                                  • 4108
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by NALEM
                                                                                                                  Ferus, while I still believe you are a schmuck, which is likely caused by you having OCD or something

                                                                                                                  YES - there must me something wrong with ME because I react to you stealing other peoples text.

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                                                                                                                    • Tagir
                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                      • Nov 2005
                                                                                                                      • 441
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Affiliate programs return a lot of chargeback through banks! Only they do not return anything to the webmaster! The only affiliate program in 20 years of work in which my money was returned is porndoescash! Nobody else ever returned the money back, they keep everything for themselves!

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                                                                                                                        • 12clicks
                                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                          • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                          • 19813
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by itx


                                                                                                                          Good luck terminate someone who makes you sales.
                                                                                                                          except no one asking for this nonsense is likely making you sales. Fuzebox is right.
                                                                                                                          I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                                                            • beavr
                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                              • Sep 2015
                                                                                                                              • 563
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              LOL

                                                                                                                              There's so much sales to go for, no one in his mind would do that shit.

                                                                                                                              The industry is booming. Many established sites are on the all time max earnings.
                                                                                                                              VR porn is SexLikeReal.

                                                                                                                              Big money in VR porn those days

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                                                                                                                                • CurrentlySober
                                                                                                                                  Too lazy to wipe my ass
                                                                                                                                  • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                  • 38944
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by JSWENSON
                                                                                                                                  Endless supply of shit...
                                                                                                                                  Fap, fap, fap...


                                                                                                                                  👁️ 👍️ 💩

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                                                                                                                                    • Major (Tom)
                                                                                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                      • Nov 2003
                                                                                                                                      • 32492
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by NALEM
                                                                                                                                      Ask the merchants/platforms for a certified copy of the reports and related documentation regarding the chargebacks. How far you want to go back is up to you. 3-6-12 months?

                                                                                                                                      Don't just rely on the affiliate reporting panel, to see that Johnny Smith Customer #123456 charged back 65 USD plus the 35 USD chargeback fee plus your commission being reversed.

                                                                                                                                      There is written communication/documentation between the banks, PSPs and merchants showing the consumer/client information, and funds being clawed back, etc.

                                                                                                                                      I don’t even open those things lol. I wouldn’t send them out. Plus they contain sensitive information

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