TDF

it's definitely a very deep and philosophical flick. It's been a while

a movie has stimulated my intellect and had the brains cogs moving

at all times. The movie answered a lot of questions and also asked

a lot that will be hopefully answered in the conclusion. The first 45

so minutes of this flick is udder rubbish and the huge rave scene

almost made me want to puke...Jada Pinkett was looking as fine as

ever and gave me a couple of woodies (which my date handled


for me in the theatre.The time cannot pass fast enough for the

third part of the trilogy

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TOTALLY !! i saw it tonight and it was cool.
but i think i need to see it again to really get all the philosophical stuff

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markell

i just pt3 makes up for what was lost in pt2

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TDF

the thing I didnt understand was since the architect knew that Neo

was the only real 'glitch' of the matrix and there were versions

before him, why didnt he simply omit him from the program?

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he was babbling about that something about an imperfection in the numerical sequence or some silly shit... i really wasnt tryin to hear his babble so i didnt cattch the exact words

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the movie really makes you thing about consequences and why things happen in the manner that they do...well we do know the matrix can be destroyed and we know that the architect can't make a perfect matrix and also Agent Smith is also a very glitched program now who can regenerate into humans

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markell

if anything this movie did make me realize that

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Reak

Matrix Reloaded. The Movies awesome. The special effects are real good. Only i think the story has a weird end.. no 1 make it only 1 men... lol..
And who said Trinity died.. she aint die its just a dream

MasterPhlomaster

If you want to understand what was happening (as some here put as 'philosophy') you can read more on this
HERE

Good Luck

D_Nell

I second that. When NEO got to the Matrix central hub and found the programmer thats where i need to watch it again!

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TheFLY

I found the 1st movie to be very Buddhist...

Your stuff about consequences sounds a lot like karma...

I haven't seen the new movie yet -- but think about this... In the minds of most men the world is to be experienced solitarily... then you create machines that think collectively... through the struggles of the machine(s) do you realize the importance of man's individuality -- and the importance of the progress of the individual from oblivious to ubiquitous...

I was reading a book last night about a man who could go into a trance and he could heal people -- but here was the trick -- he was observed by many doctors, etc. and they asked him about his process -- the conclusion was that he could access and become any living mind -- and it seems he could access the minds of those before him... In this way he was able to prescribe cures that had been lost into antiquity or cures that had never been released to the public... This seems to coincide with how animal "instinct" seems to pass through the generations... and maybe this tells us how we learned to be human with a beating heart and a brain -- accessing vital information from within the perfect sensory deprivation chamber -- a mother's womb...

Imagine being able to meditate in warm fluid with a steady supply of food, warmth and shelter... All the knowledge of humanity infused into every cell of your being... To be the "chosen one" would seem to involve becoming more aware... but to evolve (and be a never-before-seen supreme human) you could not use humanity as a pool from which to pull the nectar -- you would have to observe God... which is simply a matter of observing the natural world. Observing the natural world through a matrix has been done since the beginning of time -- to be able to "un-plug" and to observe the natural world of the imagination is another feat entirely... more frightening, although possibly more rewarding!

beavis

I can't wait to see it , hopefully sometime tonight or tommorrow night.

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LeeNoga

Twinkley went and loved it but then again she was cocktailed so maybe to understand the depth of this artistic piece you need the right "Dr. feelgood" mix.

Then it all becomes clear.

TheFLY

Do you remember the first movie? The agent had to remove his ear-piece and think as an individual in order to contemplate his personal observations of man... his conclusive hatred of mankind was linked to the difficulty of appeasing the mind of natural man...

We are not appeased without a physical form... but physicality is only imagined anyway... only in a much more perfect matrix... the machine's matrix was a matrix within a matrix... perhaps a full mastery and awareness of a "lesser" matrix will be required in order to observationally deconstruct the matrix that is our physical form...

What is the analogy in our time? Video games... GFY.

TheFLY

The matrix "unplugged" -- is essentially our physical reality... the real trick is to unplug from the unplugged...

TDF

wow..i forgot all about that part.....damn Fly, you make my brain hurt whenever we talk

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What I especially liked was the keymaker and the backdoors within the programming. VERY cool touch and explains a lot of questions I had about the first movie.

Oh, and I want to have whatever the Blonde is having for dessert. That was a SWEET scene!

TheFLY

Yeah... cool how ancient and obscure coder lingo is going mainstream...

You see... we are heros... the founders... .-=``=-.

MagicksAntics

What's funny is that the movie received a lot of bad reviews from movie critics. But the problem wasn't with the movie, it was because they didn't understand it all. They're movie critics, most with little or no technical knowledge.

This was definately a kick ass geek flick. Just shows how the geek population is growing ;)

The meaning of Geek is a whole lot different than it was 10 years ago

PimpRoll

I read that at the end of the third movie Neo just wakes up and realizes the whole thing is some wacky acid-induced trip...then Bill S. Preston, Esq. comes in and they fly off in a magic phone booth....

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Pornwolf

I think the movie kinda sucked. It is turning into more of a big Kung-Fu flick than anything else. The first installment had a deeper storyline. This one is just trying to keep up.

The scene with the Smiths in the playground rocked. I know I want a Ducati 996 thanks to the film.

I wish I could have heard what the Architect was saying but I had a couple of ghetto folks sitting behind me talking shit because they couldn't understand any of it.

Idiot 1 - "What the fuck is he sayin?"
Idiot 2 - "Something about why your mama is a ho."
Idiot 1 - "Aww nigga whateva. He needs to tell me why this bitch made me pay $10 for this ticket and didn't show up!"

Thanks assholes.

You all need to check out the Into The Matrix bcakstory anime.
http://www.intothematrix.com/rl_cmp/...movie_sr1.html
http://www.intothematrix.com/rl_cmp/...movie_sr2.html

These mini movies are cool.

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Lane

exactly what i was thinking..

it's a very complex story, and they unfortunately cut the philosophical scenes short (which still seemed long to the brainless) and made the explanations very dense.. i was kinda lost when the architect was explaining all that shit. i hope they write the conversation somewhere so i can re-read it slowly and understand the details.

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and the fact remains that this movie was done by humans. i don't think it could have been done any better than this.

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It kicked ass!

TDF

Well the Architect said that the matrix was not perfect it was 99. some odd percent perfect. So to control the percent that rejected it, they let the "one" harvest all the people who reject the system. He flushes them out of the system and then the machines destroy them all....after all they all go to zion. There they are easy pickings. The matrix is then reset, and the process starts all over again because the one is split up....

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liked!

MagicksAntics

NICE summary

Pornwolf

I should have went to the theater he was in.

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lol..citywalk rocks at night time!

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Alky

the thing i didnt really understand was... the guy at the end of the movie that they said they had found... was he the man in neo's dream that agent smith turned himself into? also the man who was going to try and kill neo before going onto the ship?

also, neo told the architect you better hope we never meet again... why didn't neo just kill him then?

MagicksAntics

Yeah I think that was the same guy...I'm going to watch it again tomorrow to get some more of the story line down.

Neo probably didn't kill the architect because he was in a hurry to save Trinity and didn't have time to kill him.

MattB

I think the scene that was the biggest importance was the one when Neo was about to be stabbed and that annoying kid ran up and gave Neo the spoon. I think that was a message to Neo that, like the first matrix film, the spoon was not real in the matrix and is not real in the "real world," meaning that the "real world" is not real either, which would explain why he could do what he did at the end.

Or it could just be a spoon.

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Exactly...the first hour is useless and boring...also I found the movie not logical in the "matrix logic" you know...Neo can do anything in the matrix, why waste his time doing kung fu with losers? He can stop bullets but yet can't stop a few bastards without doing karate kid moves? c'mon it does not make any sense lol...

jasonir

Oh.

Anthony_A

I actually thought Roy Jones Jr did a pretty good job in the movie.

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Alky

now that you know all these programs exist, you have to think about everyone neo encounters, the "architect" is probably a program designed into the matrix, and im willing to bet its just misleading him.

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OK. This post is a mix of speculation, symbolism, and spoilers. The GUT of Reloaded is this: The Matrix was created to control mankind. The first Matrix was a utopia-like world, but all the "copper tops" rejected the Matrix and entire crops were lost. So The Architect built the current Matrix to simulate our world at the end of the 20th century. Their simulation couldn?t' be perfect, and so there were anomalies. That anomaly manifests itself in Morpheus, Trinity, Neo, etc....anyone that has been unplugged because they can sense the Matrix is all an illusion. A small percent of those (1% of the 1%) people have the ability to control the Matrix itself, ala Neo and the One. The problem of The One and the anomaly (Trinity and gang) has been solved by creating the Oracle/Keymaker/Architect (they are in the position to guide The One down a specific path). This path leads to the destruction of Xion (and all the people that have been unplugged) and the rebooting of the Matrix. This resets the equation, ensuring not too many people ever escape the Matrix to be a real threat to the machines.

The Matrix has been "Reloaded" 6 times. The head of the council is in fact the previous One before Neo. All the other members of the council are also the original progenitors of this current version of Xion. That's why they insist that Neo must be in the Matrix (they know the cycle will repeat and he is the critical carrier of the code). This time is different however. Neo is different than all the other One's before him. The difference is Smith. Note that in Neo's Convo with The Architect the TV's showing Neo's possible (and probable) reactions all show very emotional responses...something the machines themselves define as typical. Neo is somehow different...he is more like a machine showing little emotion (not just Reeves' bad acting either). The Architect also notices this but doesn't quite get it. He frequently comments that Neo is "different" and that he figures things out "faster" then the previous incarnations of the One. That's because his "code" has been tainted/bettered with a portion of Agt. Smith's code.

The other reason this time is different is because of Smith himself. When he exchanged code with Neo (when Neo seemingly destroyed him) he was essentially freed from control. He is now a free roving sentient program...much more human then his counterparts. This has been already examined by other posts (his multiplication, which is akin to a virus both computer and biological). In the first Matrix Smith likens humans to a virus saying that they multiply and consume RESOURCES until all RESOURCES are gone. This is vital to the trilogy. Smith and Neo will ultimately destroy the Matrix together. Smith will infect everyone in the Matrix (like a virus eating up the RESOURCES of your computer/network) and Neo will be forced to defeat him, thus destroying everyone in the Matrix. Neo and Smith are foils and are both equally important to the end of the story.

Some of the things Agt. Smith's code has enabled Neo to do are very different from the capabilities of all the other One's...his different reaction to the Architect, the different door, flying faster then has ever been seen in the Matrix (when racing to save Trinity). His ability to save/resurrect Trinity is also a big indication he is something the Machines didn't count on (can you say Lazarus anyone?). What Smith's code has done has been to free Neo's mind even further. **Speculation** Either Neo is now so "free" that he is utilizing other parts of brain never before used (telekinesis, telepathy, etc) or he now is part machine so much that he can control the machines outside the matrix (they are all networked together, so why not?). It could easily be both. I doubt very much that the Wach. Bro's are stupid enough to make a Matrix w/in a Matrix.

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I would give it a B+.