Business Best sponsors who rev-share ALL revenues they monetize from affiliate traffic?

[dcortez]

One of the main reasons I dropped out of the affiliate game a dozen years ago is that I got tired of having my traffic leaked or crosslinked (internally within the sponsor network, or externally to other sites) without getting a full share of all my visitor revenues monetized by the sponsor and their associates.

As an example, when you send a visitor to an FHG or a tour or a signup, any well-designed sponsor site will try to guide that visitor to the best product for their interests. That's smart business - maximize monetization.

So, as an example, if my visitor starts at a photo FHG but ends up signing up for sponsor webcams, do I get the rev-share on the webcams?

The question, which it still applies today, is:

Does the affiliate get rev share on ALL signups/monetizing the sponsor may enjoy from the traffic the affiliate sends, or NOT?

Which sponsors do you recommend that actually rev-share 100% of monetized affiliate traffic with that affiliate?

Thanks!

-Dino

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[dcortez]

Thanks for that!

-Dino

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[Porko]

Originally Posted by dcortez

Which sponsors do you recommend that actually rev-share 100% of monetized affiliate traffic with that affiliate?

-Dino

Hello Dino,

Try SeeMyBucks.com - We offer Rev-Share and you get credit for all the sales and rebills for member's life. We use third-party billers

[dcortez]

Thanks Paul. Will check it out.

-Dino

Originally Posted by Porko

Hello Dino,

Try SeeMyBucks.com - We offer Rev-Share and you get credit for all the sales and rebills for member's life. We use third-party billers

[fuzebox]

It's impractical to expect another company to share all revenue with you from their third party upsells.

The only metric you should really care about is whether you are happy with what you are making on the traffic you send them. If you can make more sending the traffic elsewhere, move on.

I will upsell and cross sell my members as I see fit, thanks.

[dcortez]

It's one thing to re-monetize (signed up) members which affiliate traffic generated after the affiliate had been paid, but to take traffic directed to one site by the affiliate and intentionally redirecting that traffic to another area which gets the signup and does not credit the affiliate can be taken to very disingenuous limits.

Yes, ultimately the affiliate sends x amount of traffic and gets y amount of revenue, and then evaluates whether that sponsor "converts" satisfactorily.

Case in point:

Sponsor has member program which includes Sites A, B, C, and D.

Affiliate send traffic to Site A landing.

Site A pitches all the goodies Site A has to offer, and moves the visitor closer to the join.

Then the visitor is informed that by signing up they also get access to Sites B, C, and D.

The visitor checks out some or all of B, C and D, and from Site C continues to Join and signs up.

This is a classic point where, in checking the different sites included in the membership, the original affiliate credit info gets dropped and the affiliate gets nothing.

This is just one of many ways in which a sponsor can skim an affiliate's revenues in a way that goes beyond what the affiliate thinks happens with their traffic.

To help with this problem:

When affiliates send traffic to a component (A, B, C, or D) of a larger membership plan, any signup to that plan should reward the affiliate. Otherwise, that's just disingenuous bait-and-switch by the sponsor.

Also it would help if:

Sponsors were totally up front and transparent with their affiliate about what the affiliates get paid for and what they do not get paid for.

12 years ago, it was not uncommon that when an affiliate sent a visitor to any sponsor's site, the visitor would be tagged with a cookie to make sure the affiliate got paid if that visitor paid (anything).

As for linking codes, unencoded is the way to go, as the affiliate can follow their traffic/id as far as the sponsor permits.

It's not unreasonable for an affiliate to get concerned when they cannot see their affiliate id on the Join page, or in the html. If the sponsor is using cookies to remember the affiliate, then that can be ok, BUT, the raw hits in stats should show that Join hit (to prove the sponsor acknowledged the affiliate's traffic to the Join).

Which underscores the importance of real time Raw Hits in stats - affiliates can then test what happens to their traffic.

To simply generalize that "whatever the sponsors do" doesn't matter - the affiliate can decide whether to risk their traffic on those sponsors or not, skirts the legitimate issue of Sponsor integrity.

-Dino

Originally Posted by fuzebox

It's impractical to expect another company to share all revenue with you from their third party upsells.

The only metric you should really care about is whether you are happy with what you are making on the traffic you send them. If you can make more sending the traffic elsewhere, move on.

I will upsell and cross sell my members as I see fit, thanks.

[fuzebox]

Originally Posted by dcortez

To simply generalize that "whatever the sponsors do" doesn't matter - the affiliate can decide whether to risk their traffic on those sponsors or not, skirts the legitimate issue of Sponsor integrity.

I agree, but there is not much you can do about it. I was just advising that it is a misuse of your time and resources.

You should know fairly quickly whether this is a winning affiliate relationship without giving traffic leaks a second thought.

[dcortez]

Being vigilant and fleshing out "bad" players is always worthwhile. The difference between "bad" and "poor converters" might be subtle, but one refers to competence and the other refers to integrity.

A poor performing sponsor might figure things out, get better content, create better tours, and become a better performing sponsor - sometimes worth supporting over the long run.

But, a "sneaky skimmer" is wired that way to the bone, and dropping them with prejudice is the only prudent thing to do.

I agree that the amount of time spent auditing has to be balanced with what is practically at stake.

Since 1999, I have watched more than a few great industry players fall from grace. That goes for payment processors as well. So a great sponsor today, is no guarantee of a great sponsor tomorrow - efficient auditing is important.

-Dino

Originally Posted by fuzebox

I agree, but there is not much you can do about it. I was just advising that it is a misuse of your time and resources.

You should know fairly quickly whether this is a winning affiliate relationship without giving traffic leaks a second thought.