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Tala · 05-13-2003, 01:15 PM

What in the hell are they trying to get away with here?! This is one of the scaries things I have ever read, and the scariest part is that it's not fiction. You better believe that if my representatives do anything other then oppose this vehemently I will make it my life's mission to get them fired. Do we life in Nazi Germany now?! Conyers, McCarthy (which is a name already attached to infamy, apparently it needs more) and Feinstein need to be removed from the USA for trying to destroy it. This is not a matter of just political disagreement, it is a matter of blatantly trying to dismantle our Constitution. Please excuse my attituted; I'm absolutely seething right now. Anyways, this is direct from the NRA, thankfully we have at least one private group of citizens looking out to protect our freedoms. (This was the heder in the email from my husband. He's not happy at the moment. This was in his NRA newletter.)

MOST SWEEPING GUN BAN EVER HITS CONGRESS:
CLINTON BAN "RE-ENACTMENT" TARGETS MILLIONS MORE GUNS!!!

As we predicted, the anti-gunners have begun the push to further expand the Clinton gun ban of 1994. Not content with merely re-authorizing the ban, Reps. John Conyers (D-Mich.) and Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.) have drafted legislation that bans millions more guns! It`s a giant step closer to the goal stated by Clinton ban sponsor Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), who said on CBS`s 60 Minutes: "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them, Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them all in, I would have done it." Toward that goal, Conyers/McCarthy would:

Ban every gun made to lawfully comply with the Clinton ban. The Clinton ban arbitrarily dictated the kinds of grips, stocks and attachments that new guns could have. Manufacturers complied. New guns were made to conform to the Clinton restrictions. Now prohibitionists want to ban the new guns, too.General one day claims is not "sporting," even though self-defense is a fundamental right and the federal constitution, the constitutions of 44 states, and the laws of all 50 states recognize the right to use guns for defense.

Ban 68 named guns (Clinton ban named 19 guns); Ban parts used to repair or refurbish guns, including ? Ban guns the Clinton legislation expressly exempted from prohibition. This includes Ruger Mini-14s, Ranch Rifles, and .30 Caliber Carbines, and entire classes of guns, including fixed magazine rifles, as well as shotguns that hold under five rounds.

Ban guns widely used for target shooting. It bans the three center-fire rifles most commonly used for marksmanship competitions: the Colt AR-15, the Springfield M1A, and the M1 "Garand."

Ban all semi-automatic shotguns: Remingtons, Winchesters, Benellis, Berettas, etc., widely used for hunting, trap, skeet, and sporting clays, by banning their receivers (main component).

Ban guns for defense. Bans any semi-automatic rifle or shotgun any U.S. Attorney frames or receivers; Ban importation of ammunition magazines exempt under Clinton ban; Ban private sales of millions of guns, their frames and receivers, and their parts; Ban semi-automatic rifles under 30" long (useful for home defense); Ban all semi-automatic rifles that can hold more than 10 rounds.

Ban guns rarely used in crime. State and local law enforcement agency reports have always shown that guns on the Clinton and Conyers/McCarthy ban lists have never been used in more than a small percentage of violent crime. The Congressionally-mandated study of the Clinton law concluded that guns it banned "were never used in more than a fraction of all gun murders." But even if they were, are the rights and liberties of law-abiding citizens to be dictated by the acts of criminals?

Begin "backdoor" registration. Requires manufacturers of banned guns, frames, receivers, and parts to report the names of their dealers, and requires dealers to report any of those parts they have in stock. The next step is obvious-demanding the names of gun owners who buy those parts.

Please contact your U.S. Representative at (202) 224-3121 and urge them to oppose any attempt to keep alive the Clinton gun ban.

iroc409 · 05-13-2003, 02:22 PM

i've got an idea, come and fucking get them. not gonna happen, they'd have a revolution on their hands, and there's enough lawful gun owners in this country to make them think twice.

hell, their own military wouldn't fight.

Beastiepoo · 05-13-2003, 02:33 PM

Hmmm, the first thing Bush has tried to do that I agree with. But then I'm a pacifist.

I wouldn't worry, it will never pass - well not in our lifetime anyway, and even if it did the guns wouldn't disappear. You'd just have to buy your guns like you (not specifically you Tala) buy your marijuana, cocaine, acid, shrooms, etc.

I wish it could happen but then I wish for world peace too.

Edit: I felt a need to edit after reading xxxx's post. I have nothing against guns used for sport. That even extends to hunting although it is not my personal favourite pastime.

detacided · 05-13-2003, 02:37 PM

Their seems to be a correlation between countries with a shitload of guns and violence. Also I dont support every word of the constitition literally as it doesnt apply anymore. Personally I would never own a gun...unless I needed one. Thats the other side I guess. I couldnt give two shits about the sporting side of guns.

The trying to ban them is fucking dumb though. Not gonna happen. Stop wasting time. If you want to spend time doing something how about banning guns to ANY person convicted of a crime. If the stole a car or hit your grandma no gun for them.

Otherwise STFU and GFY.

By the way, I felt it nessassary to share a George Carlin Quote.

"And now we have Charlton Heston leading this group of dickless lunitics" As i said, I dont support banning guns, but for very different reasons...

gothweb · 05-13-2003, 02:40 PM

Of all the stupid rights for people to defend, this is the stupidest. Just assinine. You want the right to make it easier to murder someone? Too fucking bad. Sometimes I am ashamed of my home country, I really am.

hybrid · 05-13-2003, 02:49 PM

Hey, check it out:

Something smart and witty and informative about the 14th amendmant, the right to own guns really only being lawful for a governmental group that does'nt even exist anymore so the whole debate is a moot point anyway; if we were to actually pay attention to the constitution that is.

Gawddamn I am lazy today.

Beastiepoo · 05-13-2003, 03:04 PM

Fuck, I waited too long to edit my post so I've had to reply instead.

Edit: I felt a need to edit after reading detacided's post. I have nothing against guns used for sport. That even extends to hunting although it is not my personal favourite pastime.

That's what my edit would have been had I not been so slow off the mark - as usual.

detoxed · 05-13-2003, 03:15 PM

You need a semi-automatic rifle for self-defense?

VirtuMike · 05-13-2003, 03:37 PM

Vote Libertarian.

Unless you're not smart enough, then pull the levers of the same people that got us here.

http://www.lp.org

05-13-2003, 01:15 PM	#1
Tala Fucked if I know Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Do you have a flag? Posts: 23,368	Just got this in an email...blink What in the hell are they trying to get away with here?! This is one of the scaries things I have ever read, and the scariest part is that it's not fiction. You better believe that if my representatives do anything other then oppose this vehemently I will make it my life's mission to get them fired. Do we life in Nazi Germany now?! Conyers, McCarthy (which is a name already attached to infamy, apparently it needs more) and Feinstein need to be removed from the USA for trying to destroy it. This is not a matter of just political disagreement, it is a matter of blatantly trying to dismantle our Constitution. Please excuse my attituted; I'm absolutely seething right now. Anyways, this is direct from the NRA, thankfully we have at least one private group of citizens looking out to protect our freedoms. (This was the heder in the email from my husband. He's not happy at the moment. This was in his NRA newletter.) MOST SWEEPING GUN BAN EVER HITS CONGRESS: CLINTON BAN "RE-ENACTMENT" TARGETS MILLIONS MORE GUNS!!! As we predicted, the anti-gunners have begun the push to further expand the Clinton gun ban of 1994. Not content with merely re-authorizing the ban, Reps. John Conyers (D-Mich.) and Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.) have drafted legislation that bans millions more guns! It`s a giant step closer to the goal stated by Clinton ban sponsor Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), who said on CBS`s 60 Minutes: "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them, Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them all in, I would have done it." Toward that goal, Conyers/McCarthy would: Ban every gun made to lawfully comply with the Clinton ban. The Clinton ban arbitrarily dictated the kinds of grips, stocks and attachments that new guns could have. Manufacturers complied. New guns were made to conform to the Clinton restrictions. Now prohibitionists want to ban the new guns, too.General one day claims is not "sporting," even though self-defense is a fundamental right and the federal constitution, the constitutions of 44 states, and the laws of all 50 states recognize the right to use guns for defense. Ban 68 named guns (Clinton ban named 19 guns); Ban parts used to repair or refurbish guns, including ? Ban guns the Clinton legislation expressly exempted from prohibition. This includes Ruger Mini-14s, Ranch Rifles, and .30 Caliber Carbines, and entire classes of guns, including fixed magazine rifles, as well as shotguns that hold under five rounds. Ban guns widely used for target shooting. It bans the three center-fire rifles most commonly used for marksmanship competitions: the Colt AR-15, the Springfield M1A, and the M1 "Garand." Ban all semi-automatic shotguns: Remingtons, Winchesters, Benellis, Berettas, etc., widely used for hunting, trap, skeet, and sporting clays, by banning their receivers (main component). Ban guns for defense. Bans any semi-automatic rifle or shotgun any U.S. Attorney frames or receivers; Ban importation of ammunition magazines exempt under Clinton ban; Ban private sales of millions of guns, their frames and receivers, and their parts; Ban semi-automatic rifles under 30" long (useful for home defense); Ban all semi-automatic rifles that can hold more than 10 rounds. Ban guns rarely used in crime. State and local law enforcement agency reports have always shown that guns on the Clinton and Conyers/McCarthy ban lists have never been used in more than a small percentage of violent crime. The Congressionally-mandated study of the Clinton law concluded that guns it banned "were never used in more than a fraction of all gun murders." But even if they were, are the rights and liberties of law-abiding citizens to be dictated by the acts of criminals? Begin "backdoor" registration. Requires manufacturers of banned guns, frames, receivers, and parts to report the names of their dealers, and requires dealers to report any of those parts they have in stock. The next step is obvious-demanding the names of gun owners who buy those parts. Please contact your U.S. Representative at (202) 224-3121 and urge them to oppose any attempt to keep alive the Clinton gun ban. __________________ ICQ: 11120676 \| Google: mindcrime \| Skype: suitemindcrime\|E-Mail: mindcrime AT gmail.com\|PR girl with great writing skills for hire!!!! Contact me to work for YOU!\|TECHIEMEDIA? 24/7 support from some of the best techs in the biz. Tell Jim that I sent you.

05-13-2003, 02:22 PM	#2
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05-13-2003, 02:33 PM	#3
Beastiepoo Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a clog shop thinking about tulips Posts: 1,971	Hmmm, the first thing Bush has tried to do that I agree with. But then I'm a pacifist. I wouldn't worry, it will never pass - well not in our lifetime anyway, and even if it did the guns wouldn't disappear. You'd just have to buy your guns like you (not specifically you Tala) buy your marijuana, cocaine, acid, shrooms, etc. I wish it could happen but then I wish for world peace too. Edit: I felt a need to edit after reading xxxx's post. I have nothing against guns used for sport. That even extends to hunting although it is not my personal favourite pastime. __________________ Dammit! My timing SUCKS! Hot body piercing jewellery at discounted prices - Click here! Got Goth traffic?? Make money with it at DarkPassions - Click Here! Last edited by Beastiepoo; 05-13-2003 at 03:02 PM..

05-13-2003, 02:37 PM	#4
detacided Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Washington, D.C. Posts: 83	Their seems to be a correlation between countries with a shitload of guns and violence. Also I dont support every word of the constitition literally as it doesnt apply anymore. Personally I would never own a gun...unless I needed one. Thats the other side I guess. I couldnt give two shits about the sporting side of guns. The trying to ban them is fucking dumb though. Not gonna happen. Stop wasting time. If you want to spend time doing something how about banning guns to ANY person convicted of a crime. If the stole a car or hit your grandma no gun for them. Otherwise STFU and GFY. By the way, I felt it nessassary to share a George Carlin Quote. "And now we have Charlton Heston leading this group of dickless lunitics" As i said, I dont support banning guns, but for very different reasons... __________________ This is my sig. Flashy, huh?

05-13-2003, 02:40 PM	#5
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	Of all the stupid rights for people to defend, this is the stupidest. Just assinine. You want the right to make it easier to murder someone? Too fucking bad. Sometimes I am ashamed of my home country, I really am. __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

05-13-2003, 02:49 PM	#6
hybrid So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Backseat of a Ford Escort Hatchback Posts: 3,253	Hey, check it out: Something smart and witty and informative about the 14th amendmant, the right to own guns really only being lawful for a governmental group that does'nt even exist anymore so the whole debate is a moot point anyway; if we were to actually pay attention to the constitution that is. Gawddamn I am lazy today.

05-13-2003, 03:04 PM	#7
Beastiepoo Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a clog shop thinking about tulips Posts: 1,971	Fuck, I waited too long to edit my post so I've had to reply instead. Edit: I felt a need to edit after reading detacided's post. I have nothing against guns used for sport. That even extends to hunting although it is not my personal favourite pastime. That's what my edit would have been had I not been so slow off the mark - as usual. __________________ Dammit! My timing SUCKS! Hot body piercing jewellery at discounted prices - Click here! Got Goth traffic?? Make money with it at DarkPassions - Click Here!

05-13-2003, 03:15 PM	#8
detoxed vip member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,798	You need a semi-automatic rifle for self-defense?

05-13-2003, 03:37 PM	#9
VirtuMike Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Seat 1A Posts: 2,483	Vote Libertarian. Unless you're not smart enough, then pull the levers of the same people that got us here. http://www.lp.org __________________ Host it in AMSTERDAM at EUROTIVITY! - We also offer BACKUP SERVICES! XYZZY4L