Czech castings offices raided doesn't sound good

[Porn academy]

Police raided Czechcastings offices and took all servers and computers. Same girls charging them what looks like forced sex.


https://www.seznamzpravy.cz/clanek/p...e-vazbe-112697

[Klen]

What sites do they own ?

[Porn academy]

all their sites

CzechCASH

[Roald]

What sites do they own ?

Look up the guys name in google and find the domains easily

[Klen]

all their sites

CzechCASH

Well, not a surprise , they been controversial for a while.

[celandina]

According to Dun & Bradstreet: 5 Mil. annual sales. Should be able to secure good lawyers.

NETLOOK s.r.o. is located in Praha 1 - Nové Město, Czech Republic and is part of the Motion Picture Production & Distribution Industry. NETLOOK s.r.o. has 19 employees at this location and generates $4.93 million in sales (USD). There are 3 companies in the NETLOOK s.r.o. corporate family.

They also own "horrorporn" and their own Payment Processing

[pornguy]

According to Dun & Bradstreet: 5 Mil. annual sales. Should be able to secure good lawyers.



They also own "horrorporn" and their own Payment Processing

sales and profit are 2 very different things.

[Klen]

sales and profit are 2 very different things.

Well, if we assume how there is average 30% netto, it still good profit.

[nikki99]

i liked the prostitution websites

[CaptainHowdy]

i liked the prostitution websites

Yeah me too . . .

[King Mark]

Do they own Czech Fantasy? I've rubbed a few out to their Glory House stuff 😮

Edit: fuck me. They do.

[cordoba]

CzechCasting accused of tricking models.

https://www.praguemorning.cz/czech-c...ted-into-porn/

Always thought it was one of the more realistic 'casting porn' sites, but I still find it hard to believe the girls did not know their videos were going to be put online.

Strangely for such serious charges (according to the article) the site is still up.

I really doubt the porn business is going to survive the #MeToo era.

They wanted to be models. Mostly, college students, the young women submitted online applications that promised a “comfortable start” in the industry — only to learn that the modeling job was a pornography shoot.

Detectives from the National Centre for Combatting Organized Crime have uncovered a group of nine people who offered paid professional modeling photograph opportunities, but in reality, they manipulate them into filming pornographic videos and put online under the channel “Czech casting”.

The nine people are accused of human trafficking, sexual coercion and rape, spokesman Jaroslav Ibehej, told police on Friday.

“From 2013, they have been advertised job offers presented as professional modeling photography for women over 18, promising earnings ranging from CZK 1,000 to CZK 5,000. However, according to our investigations, it was just a pretext to manipulate the women to produce and distribute pornographic videos,” said Ibehej.

The group was well organized. “They were bringing the women to the casting place, signing contracts for the casting, verifying the age of majority, and conducting professional interviews,” added Ibehej.

“Czech police is still in the process of identifying all the women recruited, filmed, coerced and defrauded by this conspiracy,” the complaint says.

The videos were posted online causing personal and employment difficulties to many of the victims. The women say they were horrified to find out their shoots were online; many were harassed or ostracized as a result.

“Many of them have experienced mental and health problems, including long periods of medical treatment,” Ibehej said.

According to Seznam Zprávy, the company managing the channel Czech casting is NETLOOK s.r.o, the largest producer of pornography in the Czech Republic and based in Prague’s Vokovice.

NETLOOK lawyer, David Bascheri, denies all of the allegations. “The women knew what they were getting into and signed contracts allowing the videos’ online distribution, and they knew the risks,” he said.

[celandina]

sales and profit are 2 very different things.

In this business 5 mil. in annual sales gives you about 1,5 mil in after tax profit, but that is NOT the real value. The ongoing value is in the huge library they have. That is valued roughly at 10 x the annual sales. Libraries is where the value really is.

[Miguel]

Has anybody of them actually read model release before signing?

[nikki99]

Poor models oh no

[ruff]

If their paperwork is in order, they should be okay I would think. A contract is a contract especially if money is involved.

[Andris]

Police raided Czechcastings offices and took all servers and computers. Same girls charging them what looks like forced sex.


https://www.seznamzpravy.cz/clanek/p...e-vazbe-112697

Great, will loose some bucks. But czech cash it is always late payments and fucking bad support..

[klinton]

Great, will loose some bucks. But czech cash it is always late payments and fucking bad support..

why loose? they will pay.
they are never late with payments for me, it just takes 2 months after sending invoice, according to their terms.

[celandina]

https://www.praguemorning.cz/czech-c...ted-into-porn/

Always thought it was one of the more realistic 'casting porn' sites, but I still find it hard to believe the girls did not know their videos were going to be put online.

Strangely for such serious charges (according to the article) the site is still up.

I really doubt the porn business is going to survive the #MeToo era.

All these charges regardless if in Czech or elsewhere will set the women's equality back 100 years. They all use terms like :" manipulate" or "mislead" etc... You NEVER see this happening to 18+ men. Literal interpretation means that a woman ( albeit of legal age) is NOT mentally competent into entering into a legal agreement. Soon there will be a precedent that a woman cannot sign a mortgage, car loan, investment or marriage. I guess Muslims know something we do not get.

[cordoba]

The group was well organized. “They were bringing the women to the casting place, signing contracts for the casting, verifying the age of majority, and conducting professional interviews,” added Ibehej.

Lol, it's almost as if they are a bona-fide adult studio and did everything above board.

I would expect something like this in the UK, not the Czech Republic.

I also find it hard to believe that in the Czech Republic in 2020, young women are harassed and shunned for appearing in a porno.

I wonder if the problem arose because the company may not have taken down particular girl's videos after they were asked to? I'm wondering because I did search for my favorite girl from there once on the free tubes, and noticed that her video had been taken down everywhere, although there were other Czech Casting videos up as usual on the same sites. Yet that girl is still on Czech Casting itself (at least her trailer is).

Or perhaps the Czech authorities simply didn't like the fact that it was turning literally thousands of Czech women into pornstars? I guess even in the Czech Republic now we'll just have to get used to the same dozen or so regular actresses appearing at every single site, banged on camera 1,000 times each.

Sorry btw, I didn't see that a thread had already been started on this subject.

In the Daily Mail recently there was a story of another leading studio being accused of raping the actresses (and these were famous stars). I haven't seen a thread here on it, but I wont say anything more in case it's not being discussed for a reason.

[BigFurry]

If their paperwork is in order, they should be okay I would think. A contract is a contract especially if money is involved.

Any contract can be nulled by court if it's deemed unconscionable. If some models were tricked, and lead to believe they were signing a contract for a non-nude modeling job, that is contract fraud. Doesn't matter if they read the contract or not before signing.
https://www.legalmatch.com/law-libra...act-fraud.html

If they tricked the girls, the contracts won't help them.

I'm not saying that's what happened. Let's see what the investigation finds.

[jsmih]

Shades of the Girls Do Porn situation

[ruff]

Any contract can be nulled by court if it's deemed unconscionable. If some models were tricked, and lead to believe they were signing a contract for a non-nude modeling job, that is contract fraud. Doesn't matter if they read the contract or not before signing.
https://www.legalmatch.com/law-libra...act-fraud.html

If they tricked the girls, the contracts won't help them.

I'm not saying that's what happened. Let's see what the investigation finds.

Well if they were led to believe it was a non-nude modeling job and they're photographed naked and smiling and it stated nude in the contract, it is usually assumed they read it before they signed it. Of course, things could be different elsewhere, I'm working on USA assumptions.

[adultchatpay]

The girls agreed to have sex in front of a camera.. for sure they know it will go online.

[klinton]

poor girls they were obviously kidnapped to do porn without their will !!!

/sarcasm off

[cordoba]

poor girls they were obviously kidnapped to do porn without their will !!!

/sarcasm off

I first saw this story on Facebook and most of the Czech people commenting (presumably unrelated to the adult industry) don't seem to have much sympathy with the models.

I can understand there would be a legal issue if the company lied about the sex scenes being put online, but the charges appear to include rape and trafficking.

If over 18's (confirmed by the company, which is apparently being held against them!) turn up at their studios for a softcore modelling job, and the 'photographer' makes a pass at them and they appear happily enough to start sucking his cock and letting him fuck them (as captured clearly on video), then the only possible issue I can see is if they weren't informed that the 'audition video' was going to be posted online (as in the girlsdoporn case). Even there, the models must have been highly stupid to say the least not to realize this. But if this is 'rape' and 'trafficking' then I guess casual sex let alone the adult business is highly risky now even in the Czech Republic!

[Porn academy]

Update: From nine employees six are in jail.

[sirkonstantine]

If their paperwork is in order, they should be okay I would think. A contract is a contract especially if money is involved.

The czech government and society has an anti-capitalism mindset. They might be pissed off that the models were getting scammed and seeking mental health treatment afterwards, which increased the cost for the government.

The contract is a contract but it might not hold in court. Contracts often include BS clauses that won't hold up in court to deter people from complaining. For example, a ski operator might add that the customer can't sue them in event of injury or death, but that close won't hold up in court all or some of the time.

Also, there are contracts that are inherently invalid. You can't get into a contract to sell yourself into slavery, for example.

So, no, having a contract doesn't mean it's legal.

[CaptainHowdy]

Shades of the Girls Do Porn situation

. . . and that ended up badly.

[celandina]

. . . and that ended up badly.

Hopefully the Czechs are NOT as PC as the Americans....."Ah poor woman, she is too feeble minded to understand what she is signing. We must protect her just as another foundlings at the SPCA".

[LetterTwenty7]

Correct me if I'm wrong - but even tho they have eventually realized that it is indeed a porno shoot, they still did it and then complained about it?! The GirlsDoPorn case is different since they lied to the models, I guess.

[BigFurry]

This is from https://www.seznamzpravy.cz/clanek/p...e-vazbe-112697 with Google Translate:

According to verified information, the List of News received the testimony of eighteen girls who described what was actually happening at the casting. In short: they called or wrote off an advertisement that looked like a casting for models with a reward of several thousand crowns, and then they got a contract signed on the spot - but most of the girls didn't even read it properly.

The contract stated that it was a casting for porn. With the fact that non-compliance with the contract, ie refusal to shoot, can result in a large fine. According to the police, the girls were persuaded to have sex, some were said to be afraid of the unfamiliar environment and coercion, and preferred to allow themselves to be gone. According to the testimony, the cameraman also forced others physically.

During later interrogations with the police, the girls described that they felt helpless and did as the cameraman told them. Then they got several thousand on hand, and according to criminal investigators, the company then edited the record so that it looked like the girls wanted sex themselves.

If true, it's quite similar to what GDP did.

[klinton]

If true, it's quite similar to what GDP did.

oh really, how?
they shoot over 1600 models since +6 years.
kind of strange that after 6 years "serious" charges are brought, isnt it.

if someone doesnt read the contract, thats his problem...

it is probably some 20 girls that "realized" after few years/ months that someone can actually see them on the Internet on their porn videos. And maybe, if they want to start their new career, as a, lets say, bank teller, their past can be an "obstacle" in it.

yet, no one forced them before to do anything...they answer the ad, they knew what to expect...it just takes 2 working brain cells.
which they didnt have, and now are blaming others for it?

[BigFurry]

oh really, how?
they shoot over 1600 models since +6 years.
kind of strange that after 6 years "serious" charges are brought, isnt it.

if someone doesnt read the contract, thats his problem...

it is probably some 20 girls that "realized" after few years/ months that someone can actually see them on the Internet on their porn videos. And maybe, if they want to start their new career, as a, lets say, bank teller, their past can be an "obstacle" in it.

yet, no one forced them before to do anything...they answer the ad, they knew what to expect...it just takes 2 working brain cells.
which they didnt have, and now are blaming others for it?

Not reading a contract is not "their problem". How about you sign some contract at a shop without reading and it turns out you just gave them your house?

If someone is lied to about the nature of a contract and tricked into signing it, it's not valid. It's contract fraud, the contract won't hold up in court.

Also, yes, some people do not have 2 working brain cells. Probably a lot of people who do porn or look for these kind of money making opportunities don't. Some of them may also be weak willed and easy to manipulate - and easy to pressure into something they don't really want to do.
But that doesn't mean they're bad people, and they can be taken advantage of.
I have such people in my family, who can be easily taken advantage of, and I hope that noone will. Not with porn castings in their case, but in other ways.

Yes it's pretty sure that they didn't trick 1600 girls, but it's possible that they did it for some. GDP also got away with it for a LONG time.

It's also possible that what you say is the case. I guess we'll find out.

[ilnjscb]

No contract can supersede the law; if the law stipulates that certain conditions are illegal then it becomes a matter of enforcement. I suspect people in CZ assume that no laws will be enforced, until they are.

[PornDiscounts-V]

They don't pay webmasters anyway...

[CaptainHowdy]

They don't pay webmasters anyway...

Ouch (in Czech) . . .

[klinton]

They don't pay webmasters anyway...

never had problems with them.
you just have to send invoice and wait 2 months from that for payment...

[k0nr4d]

Not reading a contract is not "their problem". How about you sign some contract at a shop without reading and it turns out you just gave them your house?

If someone is lied to about the nature of a contract and tricked into signing it, it's not valid. It's contract fraud, the contract won't hold up in court.

You are absolutely incorrect. A contract is a contract, and what binds you to what you sign. It is in fact even your problem if you sign a contract in a language you do not understand. If not, what the fuck is the point of a contract to begin with? Contracts are meant to read. If it very clearly fucking says that your videos may be posted on the internet then your videos may be posted on the internet. If you don't understand what you are signing then you don't sign it and have a lawyer review it. I know from experience that a contract will hold up in court, and "I didn't read it" is no defence.

A written contract supersedes an oral contract.

By your reasoning I can go sign a mortgage contract and then take the bank to court after getting the money saying that they said I would never have to pay it back. What if you sell someone a car and come back 2 years later saying it broke but they say you promised them a 3 year warranty (but sales contract says no warranty, whereis as is)?

[Matyko]

I am pretty sure Ondrej and his team managed this in a professional way, I blame the (stupid + naive) "models" [whores, sluts, ladies, etc: pick the one that fits your opinion the best]

Crossing fingers for CzechAV!

[BigFurry]

You are absolutely incorrect. A contract is a contract, and what binds you to what you sign. It is in fact even your problem if you sign a contract in a language you do not understand. If not, what the fuck is the point of a contract to begin with? Contracts are meant to read. If it very clearly fucking says that your videos may be posted on the internet then your videos may be posted on the internet. If you don't understand what you are signing then you don't sign it and have a lawyer review it. I know from experience that a contract will hold up in court, and "I didn't read it" is no defence.

A written contract supersedes an oral contract.

By your reasoning I can go sign a mortgage contract and then take the bank to court after getting the money saying that they said I would never have to pay it back. What if you sell someone a car and come back 2 years later saying it broke but they say you promised them a 3 year warranty (but sales contract says no warranty, whereis as is)?

You can go to court and attack the contracts. It's up to them to decide if the contract is acceptable or not. Obviously in your examples, the court will uphold the contract.
If in your mortgage contract it said you had to pay 10M USD if one of your payments is late, they will say it's unconscionable.

For example, Microsoft and software companies put all kinds of shit in their contract that you can't resell your used software license. The EU court decided it was unlawful and those parts of the contracts can't be enforced.

In my opinion, for a porn contract to say that videos will be on the internet, that's perfectly normal and expected, and they can't attack that.

But if they find that they told some girls they were signing a contract for a non-nude modeling job, ushered the girls to sign it quickly without reading, and used the "refusal to shoot results in a big fine" part to blackmail them into getting nude, it won't hold up in my opinion.
And this is how it went according to the article, as I understood. With all that said, I also hope it's not true.

[Matyko]

They don't pay webmasters anyway...

Actually, I just got a payment of $3000+ and submitted invoice for another $1200 recently. They absolutely Do Pay. Yes, the delay is unusual, but they pay every cent you make with them.

[seriouslee]

I always thought these castings were fake and scripted.

With contracts between a company and a private person circumstances matter a lot. If they ran "fashion modelling" ads, advertised the company as "fashion modelling", set up a "fashion modelling" contract to sign and only somewhere in a 100 page contract there is a small print and probably vague clause about "adult modelling" then every judge will say this contract is void and was deceptive, be it written or not.

[cordoba]

In my opinion, for a porn contract to say that videos will be on the internet, that's perfectly normal and expected, and they can't attack that.

But if they find that they told some girls they were signing a contract for a non-nude modeling job, ushered the girls to sign it quickly without reading, and used the "refusal to shoot results in a big fine" part to blackmail them into getting nude, it won't hold up in my opinion.
And this is how it went according to the article, as I understood. With all that said, I also hope it's not true.

Yes, if that is what they were doing then they are in a lot of trouble and deserve to be.

It's clear that they were responding to nude modelling ads though, or at least in the initial filmed interviews they often say why they want to get into nude modelling etc. They often also say (rather convincingly compared to most 'casting sites') that that is their limit and they don't want to do hardcore. Then a couple of minutes later they are sucking the photographer's cock while he holds his camera in their face.

Still, I've watched quite a few of their videos and I've never seen one where the girl looks 'blackmailed' or upset.

[k0nr4d]

I always thought these castings were fake and scripted.

With contracts between a company and a private person circumstances matter a lot. If they ran "fashion modelling" ads, advertised the company as "fashion modelling", set up a "fashion modelling" contract to sign and only somewhere in a 100 page contract there is a small print and probably vague clause about "adult modelling" then every judge will say this contract is void and was deceptive, be it written or not.

It's probably a 1 page model release written in Czech. I'm certain this is just a case of porn model remorse. Probably some friends/family/employers found out...

[k0nr4d]

If in your mortgage contract it said you had to pay 10M USD if one of your payments is late, they will say it's unconscionable.

Yes, but the reason why is that there are maximum fines/penalties in the law (at least here). For instance even the amount you have to reimburse winning party for lawyer there are maximum amounts for, and the amount if higher cannot exceed the amount of the claim (so if someone sues you for $100 they can't demand $20k in legal fees).

Everything not covered by the contract defaults to the civil legal codex. Everything that is banned by the codex is invalid.

If porn isn't banned, and they are clearly sucking a dick with a camera 20cm from face then it's going to be really hard to argue that they didn't know it was for porn or they didn't realize they were having sex.

[celandina]

Ouch (in Czech) . . .

Auvajs ( pronounced: auvays)

[Andris]

why loose? they will pay.
they are never late with payments for me, it just takes 2 months after sending invoice, according to their terms.

It doesn't mean that everyone get paid if you get paid. I remember incredible dollars always paid me in time. It was my best sponsor of a time. But they screwed a lot of people..

[PornDiscounts-V]

They don't pay webmasters anyway...

Seems they are paying us... Just wish they'd specify if it is net30 or whatever it is.

[klinton]

Yes, but the reason why is that there are maximum fines/penalties in the law (at least here). For instance even the amount you have to reimburse winning party for lawyer there are maximum amounts for, and the amount if higher cannot exceed the amount of the claim (so if someone sues you for $100 they can't demand $20k in legal fees).
.

the penalties -
I think that they claim that so called penalties are actually to cover the cost of video shooting (make up etc), which sounds fair. and they are in case if model "changes her mind" after making video and dont want to be it online anymore.