10 Reasons Not to Use GOOGLE - GoFuckYourself.com

Luc Duboi · 05-11-2003, 10:37 AM

they're taking over your privacy. trust me. don't ever use google.

Undutchable · 05-11-2003, 10:39 AM

To those who wonder, reasons 2 through 10 are:

Because Paranoia is a good thing

Fletch XXX · 05-11-2003, 10:41 AM

google is a shiite.

FATPad · 05-11-2003, 10:42 AM

reason 13: pork chops

Pornwolf · 05-11-2003, 10:44 AM

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Originally posted by FATPad
reason 13: pork chops

Yes, I believe so.

Luc Duboi · 05-11-2003, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by FATPad
reason 13: pork chops

dont insult the pork chops

AdultNex · 05-11-2003, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Luc Duboi
they're taking over your privacy. trust me. don't ever use google.

How so?

GotGauge · 05-11-2003, 10:47 AM

Google works for me!

PostWhore · 05-11-2003, 10:48 AM

and where are the other 9 reasons?

OzKaNoz · 05-11-2003, 11:00 AM

Your scaring the newbies

Oz

SpaceAce · 05-11-2003, 11:26 AM

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Originally posted by AdultNex

How so?

Go type your phone number in and see for yourself.

SpaceAce

Luc Duboi · 05-11-2003, 11:34 AM

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Originally posted by OzKaNoz
Your scaring the newbies

Oz

not really.

AdultNex · 05-11-2003, 11:34 AM

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Originally posted by SpaceAce

Go type your phone number in and see for yourself.

SpaceAce

Google isn't the only resource that does this. Plus, you can easily remove your phone number from the database. I did.

Bulworth · 05-11-2003, 11:45 AM

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Originally posted by SpaceAce

Go type your phone number in and see for yourself.

SpaceAce

Your search - 901-XXX-YYYY - did not match any documents.

I guess that "unlisted, unpublished" thing paid off after all :P Welcome to Amerika, where privacy has a price, and it's $3.99/month ($1.99 if you buy the BellSouth(TM) CompleteChoice(R) plan).

bobv50 · 05-11-2003, 11:50 AM

Very useful tool...if your a stalker

...

hottoddy · 05-11-2003, 11:52 AM

Alta Vista used to be good, then it went to shite.
Excite used to be good, then it went to shite.
HotBot used to be good, then it went to shite.
Google is still good, but its slowly going to shite.

There's a natural evolution with search engines. Google has stood a bit longer than previous champs, but many chinks are forming.

Cindyff · 05-11-2003, 11:55 AM

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Originally posted by SpaceAce

Go type your phone number in and see for yourself.

SpaceAce

I did I did and i am not there none of my #s are in Google shit i guess my SEO company fucked up big time ?

Cindy xx

Nysus · 05-11-2003, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hottoddy
Alta Vista used to be good, then it went to shite.
Excite used to be good, then it went to shite.
HotBot used to be good, then it went to shite.
Google is still good, but its slowly going to shite.

There's a natural evolution with search engines. Google has stood a bit longer than previous champs, but many chinks are forming.

So... who's next? Dmoz is sucking quite a bit with any category that is competitive.

Cheers,
Matt

fnet · 05-11-2003, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Luc Duboi
they're taking over your privacy. trust me. don't ever use google.

Gookies are mmmn mmnn delicious, and good for you.

Luc Duboi · 05-11-2003, 01:02 PM

1. Google's immortal cookie:
Google was the first search engine to use a cookie that expires in 2038. This was at a time when federal websites were prohibited from using persistent cookies altogether. Now it's years later, and immortal cookies are commonplace among search engines; Google set the standard because no one bothered to challenge them. This cookie places a unique ID number on your hard disk. Anytime you land on a Google page, you get a Google cookie if you don't already have one. If you have one, they read and record your unique ID number.

2. Google records everything they can:
For all searches they record the cookie ID, your Internet IP address, the time and date, your search terms, and your browser configuration. Increasingly, Google is customizing results based on your IP number. This is referred to in the industry as "IP delivery based on geolocation."

3. Google retains all data indefinitely:
Google has no data retention policies. There is evidence that they are able to easily access all the user information they collect and save.

4. Google won't say why they need this data:
Inquiries to Google about their privacy policies are ignored. When the New York Times (2002-11-2 asked Sergey Brin about whether Google ever gets subpoenaed for this information, he had no comment.

5. Google hires spooks:
Matt Cutts, a key Google engineer, used to work for the National Security Agency. Google wants to hire more people with security clearances, so that they can peddle their corporate assets to the spooks in Washington.

6. Google's toolbar is spyware:
With the advanced features enabled, Google's free toolbar for Explorer phones home with every page you surf. Yes, it reads your cookie too, and sends along the last search terms you used in the toolbar. Their privacy policy confesses this, but that's only because Alexa lost a class-action lawsuit when their toolbar did the same thing, and their privacy policy failed to explain this. Worse yet, Google's toolbar updates to new versions quietly, and without asking. This means that if you have the toolbar installed, Google essentially has complete access to your hard disk every time you phone home. Most software vendors, and even Microsoft, ask if you'd like an updated version. But not Google.

7. Google's cache copy is illegal:
Judging from Ninth Circuit precedent on the application of U.S. copyright laws to the Internet, Google's cache copy appears to be illegal. The only way a webmaster can avoid having his site cached on Google is to put a "noarchive" meta in the header of every page on his site. Surfers like the cache, but webmasters don't. Many webmasters have deleted questionable material from their sites, only to discover later that the problem pages live merrily on in Google's cache. The cache copy should be "opt-in" for webmasters, not "opt-out."

8. Google is not your friend:
Young, stupid script kiddies and many bloggers still think Google is "way kool," so by now Google enjoys a 75 percent monopoly for all external referrals to most websites. No webmaster can avoid seeking Google's approval these days, assuming he wants to increase traffic to his site. If he tries to take advantage of some of the known weaknesses in Google's semi-secret algorithms, he may find himself penalized by Google, and his traffic disappears. There are no detailed, published standards issued by Google, and there is no appeal process for penalized sites. Google is completely unaccountable. Most of the time they don't even answer email from webmasters.

9. Google is a privacy time bomb:
With 150 million searches per day, most from outside the U.S., Google amounts to a privacy disaster waiting to happen. Those newly-commissioned data-mining bureaucrats in Washington can only dream about the sort of slick efficiency that Google has already achieved.

FATPad · 05-11-2003, 01:06 PM

Uh-oh. A website logging your IP, time and date, issuing a cookie and a search engine logging search queries. Who would have thought?

NetRodent · 05-11-2003, 01:09 PM

Google rocks! We've found them to be more responsive than any of the other major search engines. They've even come to Montreal a few times to visit us.

AdultNex · 05-11-2003, 02:03 PM

Google sucks. Go back to researching topics using PPC search engines.

fnet · 05-11-2003, 09:21 PM

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Originally posted by Luc Duboi
1. Google's immortal cookie:
(...) achieved.

All ripped straight from the ever hysterical google-watch.

I see attention whoring is contagious.

I wonder if you've found any of my articles yet.

05-11-2003, 10:37 AM	#1
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OzKaNoz Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Deep With In Your Mind Posts: 1,834	Your scaring the newbies Oz __________________ Techie Media Web Hosting

05-11-2003, 10:39 AM	#2
Undutchable Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 2,217	To those who wonder, reasons 2 through 10 are: Because Paranoia is a good thing

05-11-2003, 10:48 AM	#9
PostWhore Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,720	and where are the other 9 reasons?

05-11-2003, 11:50 AM	#15
bobv50 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: TEXAS Posts: 260	Very useful tool...if your a stalker ...

05-11-2003, 11:52 AM	#16
hottoddy Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: PacNorWest Posts: 3,049	Alta Vista used to be good, then it went to shite. Excite used to be good, then it went to shite. HotBot used to be good, then it went to shite. Google is still good, but its slowly going to shite. There's a natural evolution with search engines. Google has stood a bit longer than previous champs, but many chinks are forming.

05-11-2003, 01:02 PM	#20
Luc Duboi So Fucking Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,881	1. Google's immortal cookie: Google was the first search engine to use a cookie that expires in 2038. This was at a time when federal websites were prohibited from using persistent cookies altogether. Now it's years later, and immortal cookies are commonplace among search engines; Google set the standard because no one bothered to challenge them. This cookie places a unique ID number on your hard disk. Anytime you land on a Google page, you get a Google cookie if you don't already have one. If you have one, they read and record your unique ID number. 2. Google records everything they can: For all searches they record the cookie ID, your Internet IP address, the time and date, your search terms, and your browser configuration. Increasingly, Google is customizing results based on your IP number. This is referred to in the industry as "IP delivery based on geolocation." 3. Google retains all data indefinitely: Google has no data retention policies. There is evidence that they are able to easily access all the user information they collect and save. 4. Google won't say why they need this data: Inquiries to Google about their privacy policies are ignored. When the New York Times (2002-11-2 asked Sergey Brin about whether Google ever gets subpoenaed for this information, he had no comment. 5. Google hires spooks: Matt Cutts, a key Google engineer, used to work for the National Security Agency. Google wants to hire more people with security clearances, so that they can peddle their corporate assets to the spooks in Washington. 6. Google's toolbar is spyware: With the advanced features enabled, Google's free toolbar for Explorer phones home with every page you surf. Yes, it reads your cookie too, and sends along the last search terms you used in the toolbar. Their privacy policy confesses this, but that's only because Alexa lost a class-action lawsuit when their toolbar did the same thing, and their privacy policy failed to explain this. Worse yet, Google's toolbar updates to new versions quietly, and without asking. This means that if you have the toolbar installed, Google essentially has complete access to your hard disk every time you phone home. Most software vendors, and even Microsoft, ask if you'd like an updated version. But not Google. 7. Google's cache copy is illegal: Judging from Ninth Circuit precedent on the application of U.S. copyright laws to the Internet, Google's cache copy appears to be illegal. The only way a webmaster can avoid having his site cached on Google is to put a "noarchive" meta in the header of every page on his site. Surfers like the cache, but webmasters don't. Many webmasters have deleted questionable material from their sites, only to discover later that the problem pages live merrily on in Google's cache. The cache copy should be "opt-in" for webmasters, not "opt-out." 8. Google is not your friend: Young, stupid script kiddies and many bloggers still think Google is "way kool," so by now Google enjoys a 75 percent monopoly for all external referrals to most websites. No webmaster can avoid seeking Google's approval these days, assuming he wants to increase traffic to his site. If he tries to take advantage of some of the known weaknesses in Google's semi-secret algorithms, he may find himself penalized by Google, and his traffic disappears. There are no detailed, published standards issued by Google, and there is no appeal process for penalized sites. Google is completely unaccountable. Most of the time they don't even answer email from webmasters. 9. Google is a privacy time bomb: With 150 million searches per day, most from outside the U.S., Google amounts to a privacy disaster waiting to happen. Those newly-commissioned data-mining bureaucrats in Washington can only dream about the sort of slick efficiency that Google has already achieved.

05-11-2003, 01:06 PM	#21
FATPad Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 6,693	Uh-oh. A website logging your IP, time and date, issuing a cookie and a search engine logging search queries. Who would have thought? __________________ <a href="http://www.adultcontent.co.uk">Adult Content UK - Great British Content</a>

05-11-2003, 01:09 PM	#22
NetRodent Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: In the walls of your house. Posts: 3,985	Google rocks! We've found them to be more responsive than any of the other major search engines. They've even come to Montreal a few times to visit us. __________________ "Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." --H.L. Mencken

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AdultNex Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bostonnnn Posts: 8,985	Google sucks. Go back to researching topics using PPC search engines.