I don't agree with this. I know alot of wine lovers who split a bottle every night with their spouses for dinner. Getting drunk every day is another matter entirely...

Illegal to post... here's the link.
http://www.alcoholics-anonymous.org/...a.cfm?pageid=4

I don't care if you don't want to quit, if you do want to quit I care.

This guy just said he was having a hard time getting through the night without alcohol, staying awake during sex, and getting a fuckin erection. He doesn't know if he has a drinking problem, and I never said that he did. I just said, "If those problems were mine, I would seek help imediately. I guess I just have diferent values.

Sorry p00p, I guess I flunk.

yes - 2 (#8 + #10)
no - 10



I have two areas to consider for each queation.... what I did during my 20's and early 30's, and what I do now. My answers hold true for both though....


I'm just not one to be addictive about much. I've never liked the idea of "needing" something constantly, like smoking or gambling or drinking. I like to drink, yes..... I've always liked having some secret drinks hidden in a cooler at the beach.... nothing like a cold one on the beach on a hot day, and being able to invite a few babes to come join in. Or a barbecue.... how can anyone have a barbecue and not have a beer? I mean really. It's just something I like, but if it's not there I won't go mental and start shaking and sweating like some people do.

When it came to work, well work was work. I worked at a hospital for 15 years looking after patients, there was no room for booze. I did know some though, nurses, health care aids etc that drank during their breaks, always got drunk after work etc. I never understood those types. If you start obsessing about anything like booze or gambling or drugs etc, you're going to regret it every time. I would rather enjoy something in moderation than obsessing about it. Don't obsess... enjoy.

huh? I think you completely and totally misinterpreted my post.

I'm aware that fervent AA'ers tend to respond with near hysteria to people who counsel those they define as "alcoholics" to moderation instead of abstention, but that is not at all what I was doing.

Wimps! The light drinkers, the AA'ers, the people who have a compassionate heart, and the Canadians who passed the test are ALL WIMPS! :321GFY

You're free to disagree, but I am basing what I said precisely on what Battuss said about himself.... If he's sucking down a sixpack and some vodka shots every single day, well okay, you tell ME when the problems start?

Think about it... it's monday night, nothing much is happening,... and you're off to the bar to drink, maybe shoot some stick. Tuesday rolls around, and again,.... you're out sucking down the cold ones.
Wednesday.... yup (burp)
Thursday .... other people are actually starting to go out by now, to get the jump on the weekend. You can "blend in" on thursday.
Friday.... I bet you have more than just a "few beers and a couple shots" bro. Friday's usually get the drinking level wound up higher.
Saturday.... much like Friday's, drink drunk drop.
Sunday too? ... oh my.... yes, sunday afternoon on a deck.... gotta do it.


My point was <i>every day</i>..... a glass of wine with dinner isn't the same as this at all.

Actually, I liked your posts. Good first hand info...

Don't mistake what I'm saying as my drinking ability not being up to par. My buddies and I used to go into pre-flight-training in December.... on the nights we WOULD go out we'd play drinking games, have draft-races, and a steady flow of tequila shots. My fastest time for downing two standard glasses of draft was 2.7 seconds..... it wasn't beaten very often. The night when I drank the most ever was a few weeks after my Mexico trip in '94, when I put away 27 shots of tequila along with steady beers over the course of the evening, about 18-20 beers in all.


I just never drank every single day. Ever.


When it comes time to relax and party, like the first weekend up at the cabin for example, I can drink with the best of them AND the worst of them. But I don't make my life be all about drinking. That's where a lot of people fuck up.

i havent drank in about 3 months.

FIDDY

I always got a kick out of this site:

http://www.rational.org/Cult.html

I have similar criticisms..

Besides the religious aspects, they encourage the worst possible approach to treating a medical problem imaginable.. self diagnosis. Apparently all you need to do to become an alcoholic is blurt out "I'm an alcoholic" at an AA meeting, and voila! Instant disease.

Any medical organization that allowed that sort of idiocy would get sued off the face of the earth. Seems to me that AA survives because their quasi-medical diagnosis is just quasi enough that they don't fall under the scrutiny of the governmental bodies that regulate medical practice.

Kinda the same way the purveyors of herbal supplements like St. Johns Wort and Melatonin evade FDA scrutiny by claiming that their products are "diet supplements" rather than medicine.

There are big differences between someone who has a drinking problem, someone who is actually physiologically dependent on alcohol, and someone who has a genetic propensity towards alcohol addiction that will never go away. AA refuses to recognize distinctions like that.

Btw here in Holland people dont go to things like AA that easy...we see it as a typical american thing. Not a bad thing tho but not just for us dutchies.

Yes. Well put. I have always said this, or thought this at any rate. To AA people it is like "Alcohol is enjoyable, but if you enjoy it too much you have a problem.".... period. They tend to have a very carte blanche attitude about it, or all-encompassing.


I think you are right.... everyone is NOT the same.

you don't need to drink to have a good time.

good luck with being sober

Thanks.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!

AA has no motive - so it doesn't need me to defend it, and I never said I was a member. Drink all you want, and don't question if you have a problem or not. Just get outta my way when you fall asleep during sex with your limp dick in your hand and I'm stiffin it to your girlfriend.

I think AA would be a great place to pick up weak and vulnerable chicks. :2 cents:

as oposed to the extremely drunk ones that you pick up?

No! Never! As opposed to the crack whores that YOU pick up!

Damn... was Val your girlfriend? Shoulda known by the skid marks!

Yeah, ok, that was a POV flame! :1orglaugh