fliperss

About servers who allowing upload full photo sessions, tubes whoo allowing upload full-time videos - need to change the law in USA and EUROPE: server owners should control what content hi have one the server. Should asking releases or other documents from uploaders. And trust me a lot of pirates will leave this business... because it not will be rentable. And this is not just about the porn business.
Only I don`t know why nobody from big production companies like Private, Mofos, or Metart group or Sony music, Netflix, or others does try to change these laws.
Maybe someone has experience trying to change something - share with info. Or someone has ideas.
(don't show your true IQ with stupid comments)

One example of how to work PORNTREX
I found my content here https://www.porntrex.com/search/domingoview/
And I sent them a DMCA message:
Please remove all content from my sites.
I can show some releases from these videos but really you need all?
I never uploaded videos on your site and if yes 100% these no were full-time videos.
https://www.porntrex.com/search/domingoview/

And this user posted all full-time videos from other sites also.. if you allowed it - you destroy the adult industry
Thanks Attached model releases.
Do you think someone deleted it... NO...

Time to do something...

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celandina

I agree with you 100 % but the pirate industry is now most of the entertainment business. GFY is full of " dodgy" members making their living by stealing.... I would of course happily join anything which would stop it, but only thing which would stop it is this....



or this

nikki99

holy shit my content is there

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If I understand what you are suggesting - which is that hosting companies control what is on servers - then that is impossible. Scale this up beyond porn. Someone has to look at everything uploaded to facebook, youtube, google drive, onedrive, dropbox, every single place that you can upload files to.

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SpicyM

Actually, there already are some efforts in EU to implement something similar to what you describe.

https://www.newscientist.com/article...-ban-on-memes/

Not sure when and how this is going to be put into effect though. It probably won't affect porn piracy too much cause all the big tubes will just move their businesses outside EU.

Also, not sure if hosting providers will be responsible for allowing non-compliant websites use their servers. And this is extremely important, cause if the website operators simply move their companies outside EU, the accessibility of their services still will be impacted if they can't use servers in the European Union.

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SpicyM

Well, the new EU copyright directive has been passed, so I wonder what will happen next?

Seems to me that hosting providers won't be exempt...
https://edri.org/copyright-directive...s-strike-back/

According to https://www.article13.org/faq


So, to me, it looks like all file sharing/hosting companies (except start-ups) are affected...

Too bad it's just EU.

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jsmih

Did you follow the DCMA instructions on their DCMA page ( https://www.porntrex.com/dmca/ ) exactly? Writing the following does not typically cut it:

Please remove all content from my sites.
I can show some releases from these videos but really you need all?
I never uploaded videos on your site and if yes 100% these no were full-time videos.

Did you give them the list of Porntrex urls they asked for?

Releases don't mean anything as far as ownership. They need the statements "a good faith belief that use of the aforementioned material is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agents, or the law." and "I swear, under penalty of perjury, that the information in the notification is accurate and that I am the (copyright) owner or am authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed".

xxxclusive

You come at least 10 years too late. The big tubes now own most of the big porn productions and the rest of big productions feed the tubes with their videos to get traffic back, but making them even fatter. That's why no one does anything against it. Brazzers and Pornhub for example belong to the same company.

DMCA's work fine with tubes and cyberlockers.

This whole mindset "I don't pay for porn" was even here before 2000, simply because early porn prods completely missed the power of hebbian learning, framing and moralizing. Sending with each scene a message that it's smth good to pay for and support erotic biz and those girls would have trained the minds of audience over the decades to a possible mindset "I pay for porn, because I enjoy it and support those girls".

A good company sells not just a product, but emotions and values.

Tubes just put that "I dont pay for porn" mindset on a new extreme level.

But even if we could fight the tubes, torrents are another story, you can do nothing against torrents, except getting (real) IP's and sue every single user for damage. Sounds good in theory, but practical you would need an IT service who can track IP and get adresses as well a lawyer who can send masses of claim letters. They want to get paid too of course.

A good idea is to file a takedown note to google, so they de-list those pirate sites with your content.

NEED4SPEED

I just want to know if this is a KVS theme site: https://www.porntrex.com/

SuperStroker

Your time will be wasted with this effort. You are better off just focusing on your business rather than chasing down places full of people who were never going to pay for content in the first place. In fact, the proposition of paying for porn in 2020 is quite laughable considering how widely available it is just about everywhere, and it's not just tube sites...it has been freely available since computers with modems were a common thing.

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I believe it is a custom theme for KVS.

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faxxaff

Host won't be able to conclude anything from model releases. It will just increase their workload and make hosting more expensive. It will also open doors for censorship. We all don't want that.

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SpicyM

..or simply file a criminal complaint for copyright infringement and let the police do their work. Costs nothing.

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SpicyM

I doubt you have shot a single scene or produced anything. It takes money, time and effort to create a quality porn video, so it is absolutely understandable that authors don't want to let thieves steal their work. It's not just matter of money, it's the fact that some useless asswipe robs me of my own ideas and even earns money using my hard work with no permission.

That's why they call it intellectual property.

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Ferus

Because of your poor English, they wont take your "DMCA message" serious.

Get someone to write you a properly worded template that you can reuse, or forget about seeing any major response.

xxxclusive

Would maybe work in western countries, but even here you would need a bullet proof IP, name and adress as evidence. Moreover copyright infringement is that common it will have low priority for police.

And good luck trying to get police into action in Russia or eastern Europe and Asia for copyright infringement of porn movies...

SpicyM

It's their job to find out the IP and the address. I agree that police in 3rd world shitholes won't probably cooperate, but even simple questioning of the thief would be a good start. Also many of these pirates host in EU. I doubt hosting companies would risk being labeled as supporters of criminals when the police start to investigate their clients.

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celandina

New rule:

Any site which has a DMCA take down on their site is at best inherently dishonest or at worst pirates.

Dickjagger1

Why is that? I have a DMCA notice on my sites, and I don't think I'm dishonest. All of my content right now is scraped from Pornhub and other big sites, and I have no idea whether it's infringing or not. I assume if it's there it's most likely legal, but if somebody contacts me, I will take down anything they ask.

xxxclusive

Imho very theroretical. Have you tried it and how did it turn out?

A friend once reported a porn site which simulates snuff situations with slaughtering and lots of blood to Europol a year ago, that site is still online.

xxxclusive

No one will react to this, you must use a professional DMCA note and enter all infringing links.

Porntrex at least takes down content quite fast. There are a few other sites which don't even provide any contact email so you have to figure out their host via IP and often behind cloudlare (which helps if you contact them).

I ended then at OVH, but their abuse emal seems dead, so they never reacted to my DMCA, theoretically I could now sue OVH directly and I will check this option if find the time and a lawyer for such cases.

celandina

"Scraping" from a thief ( like PornHub) is no excuse. NO different then this: " No officer, I have paid three dollars for this brand new iPhone to a man in a suit, how did I know it was stolen ? "

Most so called webmasters are so lazy that they don't even bother to look what they are scraping. So a bit of an advice. If it is NOT watermarked or longer then 10 minutes it is stolen. How is that?

My view (albeit slightly bias) is, that tubes and the like schemes are basically dishonest. Unfortunately this, what I call "shit recycling", is a " normal" business now.

SpicyM

Haven't tried it yet, but I plan to discuss this with my lawyer. The police is obliged to act when you report a crime and copyright infringement is a crime. Many years ago when people used CD burners they actually went after those who created and sold illegal copies of PC games, software and films. Not sure how successful they were, but it costs nothing to try.

Regarding the site you describe - the obscenity laws are different in each country, maybe such content is legal in the coutry where the owner of the website operates? There are countries where extreme porn is legal.

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jsmih

Below is the DCMA template I use, which has had pretty good results. One item that has helped is sending the email using an email with the same domain as the site if possible (e.g., [email protected]).

This letter is really just a reformat of the things their DCMA page says they need for a claim, so it's not anything special.

If their system uses an online form, versus an email address for DCMA claims, I just paste the whole thing in their form.

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This letter is official notification under Section 512(c) of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (”DMCA”), and I seek the removal of the aforementioned infringing material, and notify you to cease any further posting or hosting of infringing [[[[[[ your website]]]]].com material in the future.

Infringing video on your site:

[[[[[ list porntrex.com urls here ]]]]]]


Video stolen from:

[[[[[ list domingoview.com urls here ]]]]]]

Please also be advised that the law requires you, as a service provider, to remove or disable access to the infringing materials upon receiving this notice. Under US law a service provider, such as yourself, enjoys immunity from a copyright lawsuit provided that you act with deliberate speed to investigate and rectify ongoing copyright infringement. If service providers do not investigate and remove or disable the infringing material this immunity is lost. Therefore, in order for you to remain immune from a copyright infringement action you will need to investigate and ultimately remove or otherwise disable the infringing material from your servers with all due speed should the direct infringer, your client, not comply immediately.

I am providing this notice in good faith and with the reasonable belief that rights I own are being infringed. I have a good faith belief that use of the aforementioned material is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agents, or the law. Under penalty of perjury I certify that the information contained in the notification is both true and accurate, and I have the authority to act on behalf of the owner of the copyright(s) involved.

Should you wish to discuss this with me please contact me directly.

Thank you.
signed/[[[[[ your name]]]]]
[[[[[ other contact information they require ]]]]]

Yanks_Todd

I believe the best pressure point is not at the host level, but at the $$$ level. A better thread might be to ask Flirt4free why they are doing business with them?

Point out they they are making money off of theives of some of their other partners. Ask them if they work off a shared blacklist with other cam companies.

Same with dating and ads.

They will get another cam account, ad company and dating sponsor, but every time they switch it will be a headache and they will get a less scrupulous partner.

The problem with this industry is that people think to clean it up we all need to make less money. That isn't true, we just need to isolate and cut out the cancers and redirect their share internally.

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Dickjagger1

I would be shocked if you get any movement with the police. I don't know where you are located, but in the US copyright infringement is generally a civil matter unless it's a really large-scale piracy ring or something.

INever

The card companies process these filelockers, including some very dodgy ones. That's the pressure point cause it exposes them as the hypocritical ***** that they are.

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Yanks_Todd

I agree. Most of the industry's problem could be solved with KYC policies and holding the prominent companies of the biz accountable to not working with the shitbags and criminals.

Again, this doesn't need to make the pie smaller, it just changes who gets pieces and how big they are. There is work to be done and that works costs money and it front loaded, but it would be worth it.

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xxxclusive

Just got feeback from an adult biz lawyer about cost situation in the US, dont know if it's similiar in EU:

xxxclusive

It seems I can report a success.

https://www.onlyfullporn.com had my whole site ripped and even didnt provide any contact email to file a dmca.

Then I did the following:
- googled "whois onlyfullporn.com" -> got IP
- googled for IP -> found it points to cloudflare
- contacted cloudflare abuse department (https://www.cloudflare.com/abuse/form) about this IP -> they replied and forwarded DMCA to OVH
- I filed another DMCA directly to hoster https://www.ovh.com/world/abuse/

Now it seems only full porn is completely down.

It's important to get the host, then they lose the whole server and website.

celandina

This is good news. Unfortunately this will NOT work for Russian or Moldovan servers ... I am trying this with something called file.al ( Moldova) and embedy.cc ( Russia) and even if they run things thru ClouFlare, Cloud Flare does nothing.

I am sure you whole site is on one if not on both of these sites

Look here for example embedy:

xxxclusive

Hey cel is that you? Have you tried the cloudflare abuse form? They replied to me quite fast.

embedy has 4 of my 300 vids (everything below 50 old videos I consider promotion), nothing serious and more over it's a hidden russian site with low traffic.

But indeed the deeper we come into the wild east of hosting (outside of EU or USA), the harder it will become to remove it.

celandina

Its me.... I have only 53 movies, so when they take 50 I am fucked.... and as to cloudfllare ? Here is their latest, they are protecting the thieves:

xxxclusive

Looks like embedy uses a service named ddos-guard.net

https://ipinfo.io/185.178.208.107

You could try it here:

[email protected]

pornguy

Fuck Cloudflare go to their upstream provider

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celandina

I have been there, it is owned by the same guys who own embedy... Fuckers

celandina

Who is their upstream provider ?

xxxclusive

Quite a bad boy here, lots of full rips and not even any contact email:

https://pornditt.com/

https://pornditt.com/tags/hornydreambabez/1/

Hey cel they love you too:

https://pornditt.com/tags/heavyonhotties/


Let's see what we can do.

- googled "whois https://pornditt.com/-> points to cloudflare
- contacted cloudflare abuse department (https://www.cloudflare.com/abuse/form) about this IP -> cloudflare provided:

Hosting Provider:
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Serverius-as

Abuse Contact:
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[email protected]


Submitted a DMCA to hoster and let's see.

nikki99

so porntrex is removing?

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OneHungLo

Good luck with that...they're fucking cunts.

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OneHungLo

Yup, all you can do is DMCA them and hit Google and Bing to remove them from the serps.

Make sure you hit Bing too because Yahoo, duckduckgo, MSN , Aol are powered by Bing.

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OneHungLo

You couldn't be more wrong.

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celandina

I am now well protected, I have hired a removal service several months ago and they are like pit-bulls killing about 500 + pirates monthly, and when the bad guys re upload they get them again.

Whomever said that folks will NOT pay for content anyway, so why bother, is full of shit. My business almost doubled since most of my content is gone and sites are not searchable

It confirms my old dictum; "Content is King".

pornguy

Hit the sites in this order.

Offending domain
Host
Upstream provider
Domain Registrar for offending domain and host.
Visa mastercard if accepted.
Any and all ads you can find. Webcam etc.

99.999999999999999999999999% of the time you get the response that " We cant do anything about it" especially from the domain registrar. But when you contact their Visa MC things change fast.

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OneHungLo

Good stuff but I would forget the offending domain and go right to the host. A lot of these guys take their sweet time removing it...the hosts act swiftly.

And I've never had any luck with an upstream provider. Anyone else?

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tbaahp

ok this is cool

iWeb888

That's very true. lol.

xxxclusive

VISA and MC are indeed a possible weak spot, they seem to take it very serious with compliance considering they are fucking the big tubes at the moment.

Can some one already provide the VISA and MC abuse email which can be use in such cases?

celandina

they are fucking big tubes but NOT because any piracy but because they are scared shitless of US Congress clipping their wings for supporting CP or trafficking in women. The piracy is just a wash.

RycEric

These are not necessarily the abuse emails but they are good points of contact, as any, I suppose.

https://dmca.copyright.gov/osp/publi...be ea13b882ab
https://dmca.copyright.gov/osp/publi...8c90be3d10c136