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03-12-2020, 11:25 AM

About a month or two ago, Minneapolis (not sure if it's state wide) integrated a .05 bag tax. It's suppose to help reduce waste in our landfills. Ok, I get it... again.. the financial burden goes on the public, not the business.

And as I look around the grocery store, see all the products that come with a lot of individually wrapped packages, I wonder how long before they start taxing our food.

And of course you have those that take advantage of the situation with bags at .07, .10 or more.

The tobacco tax here is bad enough... goes up twice a year... one increase for product and one for tax. 30 mil of that public money went to build the new Viking stadium. It would have been nice as a smoker to get a free ticket to a game for my tax...

We are becoming what we ran from over 200 years ago... except we have representation... Guess that's why they made corporations people... so when those politicians say they are for helping the people.... it's not a lie.

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03-12-2020, 12:42 PM

Out town outlawed plastic bags at stores. At first I was pissed. So now I have to buy cloth bags? And make sure I have them with me every time I go to the store? WTF?

Eventually you get used to it. It's not a big deal.

I have to admit... We don't see random plastic bags floating around any more.

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03-12-2020, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by Rochard

Out town outlawed plastic bags at stores. At first I was pissed. So now I have to buy cloth bags? And make sure I have them with me every time I go to the store? WTF?

Eventually you get used to it. It's not a big deal.

I have to admit... We don't see random plastic bags floating around any more.

No I get it... but with all the other things that are far more polluting it is not even a drop in the bucket.

I use mine as trash bags. My way of recycling and not buying plastic garbage bags. Basically they just changed the way I dispose of my garbage... from free grocery bags to paid Hefty bags LOL

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03-12-2020, 02:02 PM

we don't have the tax but I've bought 8 walmart bags for 50 cents each and they are nice cause I can carry twice the amount of weight per bag. Plastic bags pile up and rip all the time.

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03-12-2020, 07:33 PM

Originally posted by Applebite Media

No I get it... but with all the other things that are far more polluting it is not even a drop in the bucket.

I use mine as trash bags. My way of recycling and not buying plastic garbage bags. Basically they just changed the way I dispose of my garbage... from free grocery bags to paid Hefty bags LOL

That was my thinking too. But when you think about it, the trash you see most is... these silly little plastic bags.

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03-12-2020, 10:05 PM

We have cloth bags that we use for most of our shopping.

I was in a supermarket today, one I am not usually in, and when I was checking out they gave me a sack refund of a nickel for each bag we had with us. We had 8 or 10 bags, we only used 2 of them at that store but they gave us 50 cents or so as a sack refund. First time I ever encountered that.

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03-12-2020, 10:08 PM

Yea, bags are not around $1 - so everything I buy is wrapped in plastic, but if I have to carry the stuff wrapped in plastic in an extra layer of plastic, I have to pay a tax? Wtf..

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03-12-2020, 11:19 PM

You have to actually buy bags in Australia or bring your own. Supermarkets do no give away bags.

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03-12-2020, 11:30 PM

Originally posted by lock

You have to actually buy bags in Australia or bring your own. Supermarkets do no give away bags.

No plastic bags here either - Been banned about a year now...
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03-12-2020, 11:53 PM

Originally posted by sarettah

We have cloth bags that we use for most of our shopping.

I was in a supermarket today, one I am not usually in, and when I was checking out they gave me a sack refund of a nickel for each bag we had with us. We had 8 or 10 bags, we only used 2 of them at that store but they gave us 50 cents or so as a sack refund. First time I ever encountered that.

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That reminds me of the 70's when you returned coke bottles and they gave you money for returning them.

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03-13-2020, 03:11 AM

Originally posted by Markul

Yea, bags are not around $1 - so everything I buy is wrapped in plastic, but if I have to carry the stuff wrapped in plastic in an extra layer of plastic, I have to pay a tax? Wtf..

Exactly my point. buy a box of single serve chips that have what.. 12-24 individual bags inside the outer package wrapped in plastic.

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That reminds me of the 70's when you returned coke bottles and they gave you money for returning them.

This would have been a better solution. Get the homeless to pick up bags and turn them in for cash... I remember the days of soda bottle deposits, it's how I made my candy money when I was a kid. This method I could support.

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03-13-2020, 04:14 AM

Originally posted by Applebite Media

About a month or two ago, Minneapolis (not sure if it's state wide) integrated a .05 bag tax. It's suppose to help reduce waste in our landfills. Ok, I get it... again.. the financial burden goes on the public, not the business.

And as I look around the grocery store, see all the products that come with a lot of individually wrapped packages, I wonder how long before they start taxing our food.

And of course you have those that take advantage of the situation with bags at .07, .10 or more.

The tobacco tax here is bad enough... goes up twice a year... one increase for product and one for tax. 30 mil of that public money went to build the new Viking stadium. It would have been nice as a smoker to get a free ticket to a game for my tax...

We are becoming what we ran from over 200 years ago... except we have representation... Guess that's why they made corporations people... so when those politicians say they are for helping the people.... it's not a lie.

So you're all for saving the planet so long as it doesn't inconvenience you.

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03-13-2020, 05:25 AM

Oh we have this save the planet idea also about the bags. No more bags. Unless you want to buy them. then you can have them.

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03-13-2020, 07:28 AM

Originally posted by Applebite Media

About a month or two ago, Minneapolis (not sure if it's state wide) integrated a .05 bag tax. It's suppose to help reduce waste in our landfills. Ok, I get it... again.. the financial burden goes on the public, not the business.

And as I look around the grocery store, see all the products that come with a lot of individually wrapped packages, I wonder how long before they start taxing our food.

And of course you have those that take advantage of the situation with bags at .07, .10 or more.

The tobacco tax here is bad enough... goes up twice a year... one increase for product and one for tax. 30 mil of that public money went to build the new Viking stadium. It would have been nice as a smoker to get a free ticket to a game for my tax...

We are becoming what we ran from over 200 years ago... except we have representation... Guess that's why they made corporations people... so when those politicians say they are for helping the people.... it's not a lie.

Why would the business have to subsidize the cost of the bags? It is the personal choice of each customer whether to take a bag or not, the business isn't deciding for them. If you shift the cost of the bag to the business and take the pain away from the customer, they will have one less reason to use less plastic.

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03-13-2020, 08:34 AM

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So you're all for saving the planet so long as it doesn't inconvenience you.

That is not at all what I was saying.... I was saying with all the packaging that our food comes in, the bag is the least of the problems. And to put that extra expense on the people and not the company isn't right.

But that is how we work in America... if someone is getting paid, it's ok. Just look at tobacco... a product that kills millions, still being made and sold and they have government protection from lawsuits. So instead of taxing the manufacturer, they tax the person using it. I have been smoking for 40 years.... a pack of cigarettes can cost 100.00 per pack and I would still be smoking. They know this... they make money off this... and they keep making their deadly product.

Back on track... they can eliminate the plastic bags and just go back to paper like the past before plastic bags. Biodegradable. But they would rather just tax the people into submission.

And... as mentioned above... fine charge a deposit, not a tax... allow people to return them for their deposit back, like they did with soda bottles. But that will put too much burden on the company so again, they put it on the people.

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03-13-2020, 04:06 PM

No. They banned the plastic bags all together, as of two weeks ago. Stores can run through their supply, but that's it. They can't buy more.

Meanwhile, everything I bought at the store comes in plastic packaging or plastic wrapping of some sort.

Lot of fucking good a plastic bag ban does. We're back to paper, which were so bad we moved to plastic in the first place.

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03-13-2020, 07:38 PM

Chicago has had a bag tax for a while now.

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03-14-2020, 01:58 AM

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That is not at all what I was saying.... I was saying with all the packaging that our food comes in, the bag is the least of the problems. And to put that extra expense on the people and not the company isn't right.

But that is how we work in America... if someone is getting paid, it's ok. Just look at tobacco... a product that kills millions, still being made and sold and they have government protection from lawsuits. So instead of taxing the manufacturer, they tax the person using it. I have been smoking for 40 years.... a pack of cigarettes can cost 100.00 per pack and I would still be smoking. They know this... they make money off this... and they keep making their deadly product.

Back on track... they can eliminate the plastic bags and just go back to paper like the past before plastic bags. Biodegradable. But they would rather just tax the people into submission.

And... as mentioned above... fine charge a deposit, not a tax... allow people to return them for their deposit back, like they did with soda bottles. But that will put too much burden on the company so again, they put it on the people.

Any charge to the company is going to get passed onto the consumer.

The tax on cigarettes is to pay the cost of looking after the people who get ill from smoking. Which you admit does happen but won't stop smoking. No one forces them to smoke they just don't have the will power to quit. Like the tax on fizzy sugar-laden drinks and foods that are causing an epidemic in obesity, no one forces them to get fat they just have to pay the cost of looking after them.

I agree they can go back to paper bags and the extra cost will be passed onto the consumer or did you imagine they use plastic because it's more expensive?

Companies went from glass bottles to plastic to keep the costs down, which was passed onto the customers. So you will pay more for glass and bear the extra cost and deposit.

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03-14-2020, 02:01 AM

We carry bags in the back of the car for when we go shopping. I carry a bag to keep my water, wallet, sunglasses, keys, tissues in. And a small collapsable bag. It's not much if you want to cut down on polluting the Earth.

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03-14-2020, 05:35 AM

They replaced the thin plastic bags for free with thick plastic bags that cost 10 cents and this is suppose to be good for the environment, I call bullshit!

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03-14-2020, 06:14 AM

Originally posted by Paul Markham

Any charge to the company is going to get passed onto the consumer.

The tax on cigarettes is to pay the cost of looking after the people who get ill from smoking. Which you admit does happen but won't stop smoking. No one forces them to smoke they just don't have the will power to quit. Like the tax on fizzy sugar-laden drinks and foods that are causing an epidemic in obesity, no one forces them to get fat they just have to pay the cost of looking after them.

I agree they can go back to paper bags and the extra cost will be passed onto the consumer or did you imagine they use plastic because it's more expensive?

Companies went from glass bottles to plastic to keep the costs down, which was passed onto the customers. So you will pay more for glass and bear the extra cost and deposit.

Here I do agree that everything will get past down to the customer... I will disagree about the cigarette tax.

When they first implemented the tobacco tax here in in MN, they were advertising how smokers were costing taxpayers hundreds + a year... However, once the law passed, 30million of public tax money raised from the tobacco tax went to help pay for the new Vikings stadium. Public funds being use to help a "for profit" company! The owners did not want to pick up the tab. Gotta love that right?

As a smoker, I should have at the very least, received a free ticket to a game. But received nothing. Not even health care that my tax dollars are suppose to be paying for.

To me this is just another way the little guy gets shit on by our government.

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03-14-2020, 12:59 PM

Originally posted by Vendzilla

They replaced the thin plastic bags for free with thick plastic bags that cost 10 cents and this is suppose to be good for the environment, I call bullshit!

You're supposed to use the thicker bags more than once.

It's thinking like that that will doom the planet.

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03-14-2020, 01:01 PM

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Here I do agree that everything will get past down to the customer... I will disagree about the cigarette tax.

When they first implemented the tobacco tax here in in MN, they were advertising how smokers were costing taxpayers hundreds + a year... However, once the law passed, 30million of public tax money raised from the tobacco tax went to help pay for the new Vikings stadium. Public funds being use to help a "for profit" company! The owners did not want to pick up the tab. Gotta love that right?

As a smoker, I should have at the very least, received a free ticket to a game. But received nothing. Not even health care that my tax dollars are suppose to be paying for.

To me this is just another way the little guy gets shit on by our government.

I doubt if they announced it like that. More like they spent $30 million on funding a stadium and it came from public funds. But if you vote for corrupt officials you get corrupt officials.

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03-14-2020, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by sarettah

We have cloth bags that we use for most of our shopping.

I was in a supermarket today, one I am not usually in, and when I was checking out they gave me a sack refund of a nickel for each bag we had with us. We had 8 or 10 bags, we only used 2 of them at that store but they gave us 50 cents or so as a sack refund. First time I ever encountered that.

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Ralph's does that; also, CA banned single use bags, so they just made the plastic bags thicker so they are not considered "single use."
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03-14-2020, 02:56 PM

Originally posted by candyflip

No. They banned the plastic bags all together, as of two weeks ago. Stores can run through their supply, but that's it. They can't buy more.

Meanwhile, everything I bought at the store comes in plastic packaging or plastic wrapping of some sort.

Lot of fucking good a plastic bag ban does. We're back to paper, which were so bad we moved to plastic in the first place.

This just in...NYS Ban on plastic bags has been pushed back due to covid19.

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03-14-2020, 06:51 PM

Originally posted by Vendzilla

They replaced the thin plastic bags for free with thick plastic bags that cost 10 cents and this is suppose to be good for the environment, I call bullshit!

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