Very Good YNOT article on why TGP Gallery Builders' days are numbered: - GoFuckYourself.com

Donny · 05-08-2003, 03:12 PM

Those of you that don't have your own paysites might want to get one going soon:

http://ynotnews.ynotmasters.com/issu...803/page3.html

True stuff!

Pipecrew · 05-08-2003, 03:13 PM

that article is retarded.

Donny · 05-08-2003, 03:15 PM

Article removed on request

grumpy · 05-08-2003, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pipecrew
that article is retarded.

I agree. That guy definitly doesnt know what he's talking about. Probally a pennyless journalist who has tried it and didnt get it to work for him. Why is it always the NONOS who think they can write about something.

dlex · 05-08-2003, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pipecrew
that article is retarded.

Pipecrew · 05-08-2003, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by grumpy

I agree. That guy definitly doesnt know what he's talking about. Probally a pennyless journalist who has tried it and didnt get it to work for him. Why is it always the NONOS who think they can write about something.

EXACTLY what I was thinking, Goes back to that saying, talking about how people who dont know how to do something right, they might as well teach it instead of practising what they preach.

This guy is totally clueless, I hope someone emails him this thread, might be the taste of reality he needs.

Sly_RJ · 05-08-2003, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
Those of you that don't have your own paysites might want to get one going soon:

http://ynotnews.ynotmasters.com/issu...803/page3.html

True stuff!

Uhh... yeh, sure.

[Labret] · 05-08-2003, 03:22 PM

Instead of calling him a retard, point out how and where he is wrong.

Are more tgps not moving towards the sponsor hosted model?

Good riddance slapdicks, your days are numbered.

Why would someone list your bangbus gallery when they can just list their own?

chupacabra · 05-08-2003, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Instead of calling him a retard, point out how and where he is wrong.

indeed..

Pipecrew · 05-08-2003, 03:31 PM

If a gallery submitter is dumb enough to submit hosted galleries to other tgp's besides there own (assuming they have one) then they should not be in this business. Hosted galleries are for Site owners not Tgp submitters in my opinion.

I've noticed alot of big sites posting all sponsor listed galleries and if you watch the sextracker ranks in the last 6 months these guys have seen a huge decrease in traffic, mainly due to there own lazyness. Sponsor hosted galleries are the things killing the industry, not the submitters. Submitters make original galleries, not the same hosted shit that the surfer will see on 1000 sites.

Original Submissions are the way to go!

smut monger · 05-08-2003, 03:35 PM

Well, I reviewed 1000s of hosted galleries by myself. If you want to know what would be the best word to describe them - here it is: boring. The same stuff, the same templates, the same marketing ideas... you see one gallery and you know how the other 100 looks like. Yeah, keep listing them, while others take advantage of catering 100s of new ideas/templates to their beloved free-loaders

J.

[Labret] · 05-08-2003, 03:37 PM

I think it is the fault of the sponsors for not having a larger pool of hosted galleries.

I see them poppin up more every day. Pretty soon there will be more than a handful of sponsors with very large pools of hosted galleries.

Imagine having 20+ good sponsors with gigantic gallery pools. Enough variation to keep your average masturbating surfer coming back. And it helps thin the newb herd.

Make gallery making unprofitable and send the newbs packing.

What kinda retard would submit a sponsor hosted gallery to a tgp?

polish_aristocrat · 05-08-2003, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
Here's the article text:

The paysites still have to pay out a commission to someone so they aren?t saving any money, but since they don?t have to rely on someone else to build and submit galleries for them, their galleries get listed more frequently, and they get a lot more traffic back.

I wonder if that's actually true...?

Sly_RJ · 05-08-2003, 03:41 PM

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Originally posted by polish_aristocrat

I wonder if that's actually true...?

I was under the impression that most hosted galleries converted like shit.

smut monger · 05-08-2003, 03:44 PM

There are advantages of using FHG, IMO they're good to fill up the listing i.e. in thumb-preview TGPs. But for small TGPs there might be a problem to check 10s of sponsors on regular basis.

J.

genomega · 05-08-2003, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by [Labret]
Instead of calling him a retard, point out how and where he is wrong.

Are more tgps not moving towards the sponsor hosted model?

Good riddance slapdicks, your days are numbered.

Why would someone list your bangbus gallery when they can just list their own?

Are sponsors going to hire a fulltime staff to crank out galleries
every day or will they just rotate the same 10 galleries?

Backov · 05-08-2003, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

I was under the impression that most hosted galleries converted like shit.

That would be correct. But that's because most ARE shit.

Good hosted galleries consistently convert well. No, I'm not telling you which ones are good. ;>

[Labret] · 05-08-2003, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by genomega

Are sponsors going to hire a fulltime staff to crank out galleries
every day or will they just rotate the same 10 galleries?

Wouldnt that make sense?

Fulltime staff? You make it sound difficult to make galleries.

Designers are cheap, and finding a monkey to hit the button to make the gallery is even cheaper.

You fuckers are dooooomed.

booker · 05-08-2003, 04:03 PM

I'd say his claims are a bit strong.. some TGP owners make their own galleries to list on their TGPs.. it makes sense and doesn't take a business or marketing degree to figure out.

Likewise, there are some really good (good in two ways.. high quality and high production) gallery makers out there.. who crank out 50, 100, or more a day... get rid of them and what do you have? TGP owners making 10/day for their own sites, every site having more or less completely exclusive content. Maybe that's enough, I'm sure most guys can get off looking at 5 or 6 galleries. So, cut out this so-called "middle man." Wait, a gallery maker is a middle man?

Well, this goes strongly against the basic economic model which says that in a community where fiat money is present (fiat money being tender issued by the govt. allowing fast transactions with set value as opposed to barter), there is a tendency towards _specialization_. That is to say that there is a guy who fixes shoes, another who raises pigs and another who does the plumbing. Why do people hire someone to do these specialized tasks? Because they are experts and they do it faster and better.

Look at it that way, the gallery maker is no middle man, they are a specialized worker who does a job for the TGP owner and gets compensated accordingly. They do it because the TGP owner chooses not to do it themselves.. lo and behold, this has been the case for years, more often than not. There is nothing stopping TGP owners from making their own galleries, they just have, the record shows, chosen not to, or at least to only make a couple and place them strategically around their TGP.

So.. the real question is, are more TGP owners moving to making their own galleries? Yes, I think so.. does that mean gallery makers will be out of business in 2 years? I highly doubt it. Will the standards gallery makers are required to meet go up over the next two years? Almost certainly.

slapass · 05-08-2003, 04:05 PM

You have to admit if I send 3k hits to a gallery and it converts like shit but it is my shit. Sort of beats me sending 3k hits to your fucking super converting gallery right?

Rictor · 05-08-2003, 04:06 PM

There will probably be TGPs to submit galleries to and get free traffic from for years to come. But I think there will be a lot less free traffic to go around than there is today...there is already less now than there was a year ago.

Donny · 05-08-2003, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

I was under the impression that most hosted galleries converted like shit.

I've been running hosted galleries for a couple months now. They've been converting at an overall average of 1:450.

seven · 05-08-2003, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Backov
Good hosted galleries consistently convert well. No, I'm not telling you which ones are good. ;>

Right. Why do you have to think all sponsor hosted galleries are designed by some hotshot designer knows how to design but not how to convert? How about the sponsor hosted galleries that are built by the TGP industry's finest? Those hosted galleries definitely convert better than you know

Mutt · 05-08-2003, 04:21 PM

take a look at some of the bigger TGPs, there is a trend, they're after guys like Donovan who can consistently provide them with exclusive content galleries. I see them hosting the galleries as well. Makes sense to me, find a dozen guys who have their own paysites who can provide galleries with exclusive content on a consistent basis. No need to spend money reviewing submissions, no more cocksuckers changing pages, the galleries will be better quality than hosted galleries, plus the TGP owner gets at least a 50/50 cut on any revenue derived from galleries.
Sounds like a much more profitable way to run a TGP.
Basically all 'paid' galleries, every link on the site is a profit center.

it's a winner - TGP owner wins, surfer wins and the webmasters win.

Donny · 05-08-2003, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt
take a look at some of the bigger TGPs, there is a trend, they're after guys like Donovan who can consistently provide them with exclusive content galleries. I see them hosting the galleries as well. Makes sense to me, find a dozen guys who have their own paysites who can provide galleries with exclusive content on a consistent basis. No need to spend money reviewing submissions, no more cocksuckers changing pages, the galleries will be better quality than hosted galleries, plus the TGP owner gets at least a 50/50 cut on any revenue derived from galleries.
Sounds like a much more profitable way to run a TGP.
Basically all 'paid' galleries, every link on the site is a profit center.

it's a winner - TGP owner wins, surfer wins and the webmasters win.

Exactly. What he said.

TDF · 05-08-2003, 04:24 PM

I think LaBret hit the nail on the head.While the role of gallery maker dimishes with the addition of hosted galleries the demand for better quality also rises and those with long standing clientele will be around.Signups will of course decrease with hosted galleries because there are TGP's who list only their galleries and eliminate the middle man.There is a reason why most major companies hire TGP guys more often now..just another way of harnessing the free traffic out there

TDF · 05-08-2003, 04:25 PM

also agressive galleries in my opinion convert much better than generic galleries

it says it right there in the Porn Bible: Man cannot and shallnot live on gallery making alone

Donny · 05-08-2003, 04:29 PM

I pay a guy $300 per week to create a new gallery for me each day (7 days a week), email the link to all my affiliates, and submit to places that aren't affiliates. It works.

In the same manner, other sites will hire designers to create galleries for them.

The guy I hired was formerly an affiliate. His conversion ratio was higher than any other affiliate I had. And his galleries are REALLY BASIC!

Gallery designers often times forget that the SURFER wants to see the GIRL, not the design.

Take a look at my hosted gallery list and you'll see what I mean by VERY SIMPLE... but they convert VERY well:

http://www.NakedCollegeGirls.tv/part...dgalleries.htm

TDF · 05-08-2003, 04:35 PM

Some of you may ask what do I mean by agressive galleries...basically its keeping a banner or text link in front of the surfer at all times.Why give him the oppurtunity to click back or click out of the gallery when he has a movie right in his face? make the bastard wack with his left and click with his right!

http://www.picsurfer.com/m/bootycakes-012/? - example

Gutterboy · 05-08-2003, 04:49 PM

Submitters aren't gonna get killed anytime soon, but outside of pay for play, the real revenue generating opportunities are getting mighty thin.

How many newbs have $1200 to fork over for a few textlinks on the Hun?

quiet · 05-08-2003, 04:56 PM

some of this points made here are so obvious... it's funny how long it takes to become common knowledge.

Gutterboy · 05-08-2003, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet
some of this points made here are so obvious... it's funny how long it takes to become common knowledge.

Its all about post count.

Did you know TGP's burn alot of bandwidth too?

natas · 05-08-2003, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pipecrew
that article is retarded.

yup definately

Al_DT · 05-08-2003, 05:29 PM

toodamnfli,

did you make that gallery? I need a bunch of galleries like that made.

jpoker · 05-08-2003, 05:41 PM

Happy to see the article creating a lot of discussion.

Donny · 05-08-2003, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jpoker
Happy to see the article creating a lot of discussion.

Thanks for writing it. I liked it.

How about utilizing some of my hosted galleries:

http://www.NakedCollegeGirls.tv/part...dgalleries.htm

TDF · 05-08-2003, 05:49 PM

btw,those agressive galleries are standard along with the regular mpeg download ones courtesy of www.soulcash.com

Bake · 05-08-2003, 05:52 PM

Interesting thread
The death of the gallery marker ? One thing most people dont understand is there still a small number of gallery makers out there that can easy make 10k a month extra with galleries. Having big flash designs dosent mean you will convert any better good text with the right hook will allways sell more.
Maybe the days of free traffic are slowing down and sponsor hosted galleries dont help the normal gallery maker. But Im sure the elite guys will allways be around. You dont have to get all your traffic from tgp's for galleries.
Most of the people who allways knock the gallery maker just dont understand how to do it. Because they failed at it It must be unworkable. Galleries are the foundation of our buisness why do those million's of horny surfers turn up everyday looking for free porn do you think they be there if it wasnt for galleries ?
You need to learn how to harvest all those horny surfers.

escorpio · 05-08-2003, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by [Labret]

What kinda retard would submit a sponsor hosted gallery to a tgp?

Strap on my helmet and tell the short bus to wait up because I did it yesterday.

No, I would never do it on a large scale but this is a niche TGP and I know the owner accepts hosted galleries in the niche. It's generated two sales so far.

Hey, put that screwdriver down!

FlyingIguana · 05-08-2003, 06:18 PM

build your own paysite?

its much easier to build your own tgp

FlyingIguana · 05-08-2003, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by [Labret]
Instead of calling him a retard, point out how and where he is wrong.

Are more tgps not moving towards the sponsor hosted model?

Good riddance slapdicks, your days are numbered.

Why would someone list your bangbus gallery when they can just list their own?

i think what will happen is a move towards hosted galleries, systems like chokers and paid spots. so you either pay for listings or you're shit out of luck.

Fletch XXX · 05-08-2003, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by escorpio
I did it yesterday.

So maybe the question should be, what kind of retard accepts hosted galleries to his own tgp?

hahah

escorpio · 05-08-2003, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX

So maybe the question should be, what kind of retard accepts hosted galleries to his own tgp?

hahah

A lazy pervert.

BlueDesignStudios · 05-08-2003, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
Here's the article text:

As someone a lot smarter than me once said, "The only constant is change," and nowhere is this more true than in the online adult entertainment business.

I think this was the only bit he got right in the whole article!

Tuga · 05-08-2003, 07:19 PM

There is no money left in porn.

Probono · 05-08-2003, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tuga
There is no money left in porn.

You are right I took all of it already!

SleazyDream · 05-08-2003, 09:20 PM

first it's gallry submitters but.........
guess what paysites without TGPs- you're next.

yep - it's gona happen. Most TGPs have or are in the process of building hosted gallery paysites right now. Once more and more of us have then why the fuck would we even THINK about posting a paysites gallery on hosted revshare unless it PRE-PAID? Too many paysites have scammed too many people in the past. Pretty much the ONLY way in the next year to get a hosted gallery posted withot PRE-PAYING for the spot will be to trade traffic with that TGP and have a relationship with them cause soo many people will be fighting for the hosted spots.

Mark my words - that's where the marketplace is going.

Extreme John · 05-08-2003, 09:42 PM

I think it's safe to say the article generated some thought as well as a very intersting discussion, alot of which are assumptions, etc. Sure hosted galleries are the current thing, but who would have thought that 5 years ago, times change and who knows if hosted galleries will be the way of the future and IF it means the death of ALL gallery builders. Lot's of if's. I would rather list hosted galleries on my sites than to be annoyed by submissions, sad to say but out of 100 submissions chances are 80 of them suck or were sent by a cheater. There are still plenty of excellent honest hardworking gallery designers out there, most of which have been around a long time and have some deep ties into the sites they submit to.

I wouldnt imagine Paysites being without tgp's anytime soon either, I think both are possibilities, but hardly written in stone.

stocktrader23 · 05-08-2003, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream
first it's gallry submitters but.........
guess what paysites without TGPs- you're next.

yep - it's gona happen. Most TGPs have or are in the process of building hosted gallery paysites right now. Once more and more of us have then why the fuck would we even THINK about posting a paysites gallery on hosted revshare unless it PRE-PAID? Too many paysites have scammed too many people in the past. Pretty much the ONLY way in the next year to get a hosted gallery posted withot PRE-PAYING for the spot will be to trade traffic with that TGP and have a relationship with them cause soo many people will be fighting for the hosted spots.

Mark my words - that's where the marketplace is going.

Yes, everyone listen to the TGP owner tell you paysite owners that you have to have him.

eroswebmaster · 05-08-2003, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by toodamnfli
also agressive galleries in my opinion convert much better than generic galleries
it says it right there in the Porn Bible: Man cannot and shallnot live on gallery making alone

I agree, at diabolicalgalleries.com we offer up to 3 variations on 1 gallery. We have an easy sell, a medium sell, and a hard sell, all 3 can go to pic on html as well, your choice. What I find interesting though is most tgp's choose the soft sell version.

One one hardcore gallery I've seen the soft sell version do 1.0-1.8 ctrs, the hard sell version does over 5%, however the tgp owners feel they need to cater to their surfers and opt out for the softsell.

IMO it doesn't make any sense. But that is their right to choose.

05-08-2003, 03:12 PM	#1
Donny As you wish... Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 13,754	Very Good YNOT article on why TGP Gallery Builders' days are numbered: Those of you that don't have your own paysites might want to get one going soon: http://ynotnews.ynotmasters.com/issu...803/page3.html True stuff!

05-08-2003, 03:15 PM	#3
Donny As you wish... Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 13,754	Article removed on request Last edited by Lensman; 05-09-2003 at 11:57 AM..

05-08-2003, 03:35 PM	#11
smut monger Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 211	Well, I reviewed 1000s of hosted galleries by myself. If you want to know what would be the best word to describe them - here it is: boring. The same stuff, the same templates, the same marketing ideas... you see one gallery and you know how the other 100 looks like. Yeah, keep listing them, while others take advantage of catering 100s of new ideas/templates to their beloved free-loaders J. __________________ PRO LIFE

05-08-2003, 03:44 PM	#15
smut monger Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 211	There are advantages of using FHG, IMO they're good to fill up the listing i.e. in thumb-preview TGPs. But for small TGPs there might be a problem to check 10s of sponsors on regular basis. J. __________________ PRO LIFE

05-08-2003, 04:03 PM	#19
booker Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Baltimore Posts: 1,370	I'd say his claims are a bit strong.. some TGP owners make their own galleries to list on their TGPs.. it makes sense and doesn't take a business or marketing degree to figure out. Likewise, there are some really good (good in two ways.. high quality and high production) gallery makers out there.. who crank out 50, 100, or more a day... get rid of them and what do you have? TGP owners making 10/day for their own sites, every site having more or less completely exclusive content. Maybe that's enough, I'm sure most guys can get off looking at 5 or 6 galleries. So, cut out this so-called "middle man." Wait, a gallery maker is a middle man? Well, this goes strongly against the basic economic model which says that in a community where fiat money is present (fiat money being tender issued by the govt. allowing fast transactions with set value as opposed to barter), there is a tendency towards _specialization_. That is to say that there is a guy who fixes shoes, another who raises pigs and another who does the plumbing. Why do people hire someone to do these specialized tasks? Because they are experts and they do it faster and better. Look at it that way, the gallery maker is no middle man, they are a specialized worker who does a job for the TGP owner and gets compensated accordingly. They do it because the TGP owner chooses not to do it themselves.. lo and behold, this has been the case for years, more often than not. There is nothing stopping TGP owners from making their own galleries, they just have, the record shows, chosen not to, or at least to only make a couple and place them strategically around their TGP. So.. the real question is, are more TGP owners moving to making their own galleries? Yes, I think so.. does that mean gallery makers will be out of business in 2 years? I highly doubt it. Will the standards gallery makers are required to meet go up over the next two years? Almost certainly. __________________ Xanadu024 (aim) or 286785389 (icq) "Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard." Last edited by booker; 05-08-2003 at 04:05 PM..

05-08-2003, 03:13 PM	#2
Pipecrew Master of Gfy.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 14,885	that article is retarded.

05-08-2003, 03:22 PM	#8
[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	Instead of calling him a retard, point out how and where he is wrong. Are more tgps not moving towards the sponsor hosted model? Good riddance slapdicks, your days are numbered. Why would someone list your bangbus gallery when they can just list their own?

05-08-2003, 03:31 PM	#10
Pipecrew Master of Gfy.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 14,885	If a gallery submitter is dumb enough to submit hosted galleries to other tgp's besides there own (assuming they have one) then they should not be in this business. Hosted galleries are for Site owners not Tgp submitters in my opinion. I've noticed alot of big sites posting all sponsor listed galleries and if you watch the sextracker ranks in the last 6 months these guys have seen a huge decrease in traffic, mainly due to there own lazyness. Sponsor hosted galleries are the things killing the industry, not the submitters. Submitters make original galleries, not the same hosted shit that the surfer will see on 1000 sites. Original Submissions are the way to go!

05-08-2003, 03:37 PM	#12
[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	I think it is the fault of the sponsors for not having a larger pool of hosted galleries. I see them poppin up more every day. Pretty soon there will be more than a handful of sponsors with very large pools of hosted galleries. Imagine having 20+ good sponsors with gigantic gallery pools. Enough variation to keep your average masturbating surfer coming back. And it helps thin the newb herd. Make gallery making unprofitable and send the newbs packing. What kinda retard would submit a sponsor hosted gallery to a tgp?

05-08-2003, 04:05 PM	#20
slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,622	You have to admit if I send 3k hits to a gallery and it converts like shit but it is my shit. Sort of beats me sending 3k hits to your fucking super converting gallery right?

05-08-2003, 04:06 PM	#21
Rictor Old Timer Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 12,208	There will probably be TGPs to submit galleries to and get free traffic from for years to come. But I think there will be a lot less free traffic to go around than there is today...there is already less now than there was a year ago.

05-08-2003, 04:21 PM	#24
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	take a look at some of the bigger TGPs, there is a trend, they're after guys like Donovan who can consistently provide them with exclusive content galleries. I see them hosting the galleries as well. Makes sense to me, find a dozen guys who have their own paysites who can provide galleries with exclusive content on a consistent basis. No need to spend money reviewing submissions, no more cocksuckers changing pages, the galleries will be better quality than hosted galleries, plus the TGP owner gets at least a 50/50 cut on any revenue derived from galleries. Sounds like a much more profitable way to run a TGP. Basically all 'paid' galleries, every link on the site is a profit center. it's a winner - TGP owner wins, surfer wins and the webmasters win. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

05-08-2003, 04:24 PM	#26
TDF Triple OG nigga on GFY Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: in the BP4L family compound Posts: 27,296	I think LaBret hit the nail on the head.While the role of gallery maker dimishes with the addition of hosted galleries the demand for better quality also rises and those with long standing clientele will be around.Signups will of course decrease with hosted galleries because there are TGP's who list only their galleries and eliminate the middle man.There is a reason why most major companies hire TGP guys more often now..just another way of harnessing the free traffic out there __________________ Sig heil

05-08-2003, 04:25 PM	#27
TDF Triple OG nigga on GFY Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: in the BP4L family compound Posts: 27,296	also agressive galleries in my opinion convert much better than generic galleries it says it right there in the Porn Bible: Man cannot and shallnot live on gallery making alone __________________ Sig heil

05-08-2003, 04:29 PM	#28
Donny As you wish... Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 13,754	I pay a guy $300 per week to create a new gallery for me each day (7 days a week), email the link to all my affiliates, and submit to places that aren't affiliates. It works. In the same manner, other sites will hire designers to create galleries for them. The guy I hired was formerly an affiliate. His conversion ratio was higher than any other affiliate I had. And his galleries are REALLY BASIC! Gallery designers often times forget that the SURFER wants to see the GIRL, not the design. Take a look at my hosted gallery list and you'll see what I mean by VERY SIMPLE... but they convert VERY well: http://www.NakedCollegeGirls.tv/part...dgalleries.htm

05-08-2003, 04:35 PM	#29
TDF Triple OG nigga on GFY Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: in the BP4L family compound Posts: 27,296	Some of you may ask what do I mean by agressive galleries...basically its keeping a banner or text link in front of the surfer at all times.Why give him the oppurtunity to click back or click out of the gallery when he has a movie right in his face? make the bastard wack with his left and click with his right! http://www.picsurfer.com/m/bootycakes-012/? - example __________________ Sig heil

05-08-2003, 04:49 PM	#30
Gutterboy So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Dis Posts: 4,751	Submitters aren't gonna get killed anytime soon, but outside of pay for play, the real revenue generating opportunities are getting mighty thin. How many newbs have $1200 to fork over for a few textlinks on the Hun?

05-08-2003, 04:56 PM	#31
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	some of this points made here are so obvious... it's funny how long it takes to become common knowledge.

05-08-2003, 05:29 PM	#34
Al_DT Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 12	toodamnfli, did you make that gallery? I need a bunch of galleries like that made.

05-08-2003, 05:41 PM	#35
jpoker Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Vancouver Posts: 362	Happy to see the article creating a lot of discussion. __________________ http://www.bigboobdreams.com Big Juicy Healthy Boobs

05-08-2003, 05:49 PM	#37
TDF Triple OG nigga on GFY Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: in the BP4L family compound Posts: 27,296	btw,those agressive galleries are standard along with the regular mpeg download ones courtesy of www.soulcash.com __________________ Sig heil

05-08-2003, 05:52 PM	#38
Bake Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Outback of bumfuck Aussie Posts: 5,063	Interesting thread The death of the gallery marker ? One thing most people dont understand is there still a small number of gallery makers out there that can easy make 10k a month extra with galleries. Having big flash designs dosent mean you will convert any better good text with the right hook will allways sell more. Maybe the days of free traffic are slowing down and sponsor hosted galleries dont help the normal gallery maker. But Im sure the elite guys will allways be around. You dont have to get all your traffic from tgp's for galleries. Most of the people who allways knock the gallery maker just dont understand how to do it. Because they failed at it It must be unworkable. Galleries are the foundation of our buisness why do those million's of horny surfers turn up everyday looking for free porn do you think they be there if it wasnt for galleries ? You need to learn how to harvest all those horny surfers. __________________ Buy great domains from drunken burned out old webmaster CHEAP bullseyeporn.com art-met.com and more. Learn how to make a easy extra $500 per week

05-08-2003, 06:18 PM	#40
FlyingIguana aspiring banker Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: toronto Posts: 10,870	build your own paysite? its much easier to build your own tgp

05-08-2003, 07:19 PM	#45
Tuga Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portugal Posts: 7,678	There is no money left in porn. __________________ Go Fuck Yourself! ICQ 101411627

05-08-2003, 09:20 PM	#47
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	first it's gallry submitters but......... guess what paysites without TGPs- you're next. yep - it's gona happen. Most TGPs have or are in the process of building hosted gallery paysites right now. Once more and more of us have then why the fuck would we even THINK about posting a paysites gallery on hosted revshare unless it PRE-PAID? Too many paysites have scammed too many people in the past. Pretty much the ONLY way in the next year to get a hosted gallery posted withot PRE-PAYING for the spot will be to trade traffic with that TGP and have a relationship with them cause soo many people will be fighting for the hosted spots. Mark my words - that's where the marketplace is going. __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

05-08-2003, 09:42 PM	#48
Extreme John Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Fl Posts: 1,475	I think it's safe to say the article generated some thought as well as a very intersting discussion, alot of which are assumptions, etc. Sure hosted galleries are the current thing, but who would have thought that 5 years ago, times change and who knows if hosted galleries will be the way of the future and IF it means the death of ALL gallery builders. Lot's of if's. I would rather list hosted galleries on my sites than to be annoyed by submissions, sad to say but out of 100 submissions chances are 80 of them suck or were sent by a cheater. There are still plenty of excellent honest hardworking gallery designers out there, most of which have been around a long time and have some deep ties into the sites they submit to. I wouldnt imagine Paysites being without tgp's anytime soon either, I think both are possibilities, but hardly written in stone. __________________ Florida Honnies - Extreme John 51299342