Seriously has the world gone fucking insane?

[notinmybackyard]

Seriously young people are getting sterilized because of "climate change?"

I don't want to discuss anything political...
I just want to know when did so many people lose their fucking minds?

Is there something in the mother fucking water, the food or the radiation from smart phones that's causing this shit?

[Scott McD]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

or the radiation from smart phones that's causing this shit?

Gets my vote...

[Smack dat]

Wehatporn has all the answers.

[Sly]

Look at it this way...

At least they can't have kids.

[King Mark]

The Darwinism is real

[CaptainHowdy]

Let religious nutjobs pollute the earth . . .

[shake]

Could be worse though, at least they are concerned with something bigger than themselves.

[SBJ]

Originally Posted by shake

Could be worse though, at least they are concerned with something bigger than themselves.

But I feel that some of them are all about themselves like she said in the video about the girl that said kids are expensive and she would rather spend money on herself.

Then I'm sure some will do it so they can fuck anyone and not worry about getting preggo. I feel like today's teens are way more adventurous then past generations cause of porn hub

[OneHungLo]

They are the products of leftists that are running our education system. They should be advocating vasectomies for Africans and Indians.

[baddog]

Best thing I've heard all day

[k0nr4d]

If they are sterilising themselves to prevent climate change then arguably, as a whole, this is a beneficial for the gene pool...
> Call everyone Nazis
> Practice eugenics on yourself

[Mickey_]

Assisted voluntary natural selection

[Klen]

This kind sounds like a intro of idiocracy movie if anyone remembers.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

> Call everyone Nazis
> Practice eugenics on yourself

wow!!

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by Klen

This kind sounds like a intro of idiocracy movie if anyone remembers.

That was a good documentary.

[NatalieMojoHost]

I don't have a problem with anyone who chooses to take themselves out of the gene pool. Especially if it's an adult ready to take responsibility for the choice they make. The only thing we can do is teach young people about responsibility and accountability for their own choices. Knowing western culture, some of these 20-year-olds who get snipped on the wave of the ridiculous movement, not truly knowing what they were doing, will end up suing the movement activists - you just watch.

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

Let religious nutjobs pollute the earth . . .

Technically I'm a religious nut job by this board's definition.

Originally Posted by SBJ

. I feel like today's teens are way more adventurous then past generations cause of porn hub

I wish they would show up on our sets. When it comes to "teens" we only seem to get the don't have a clue how to fuck crowd.

[k0nr4d]

Originally Posted by Klen

This kind sounds like a intro of idiocracy movie if anyone remembers.

Sort of, but backwards.

[Shoplifter]

The Internet more than anything. People are susceptible to believing what the people they know believe. So the insanity is contagious.

[The Porn Nerd]

I actually think more people should opt out of parenting, judging by how shitty parents are today (and the abominations they produce).

[JesseQuinn]

well I'm selfish as fuck apparently. got 'fixed' as my boy and friends like to call it years ago in my late 20s. not to save the planet but cuz I just didn't want children

love having them around but my own? haha nope

my boy didn't want kids either and his option for that would have been way easier but I was the more militant one about no, not ever and figured that if we broke up and he ended up with a woman who wanted kids, why deny him that opportunity?

he smokes so much weed though, his sperm quality must be horrible

I wonder how many are just attaching a political motive to something they'd want anyway?

[RyuLion]

They have too much time on their hands or are just plainy spoiled.

[AmateurFlix]

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

If they are sterilising themselves to prevent climate change then arguably, as a whole, this is a beneficial for the gene pool...
> Call everyone Nazis
> Practice eugenics on yourself

[PR_Glen]

nobody is doing this anywhere... you are just susceptible to videos just because they exist for some odd reason.

[CaptainHowdy]

Originally Posted by JesseQuinn

well I'm selfish as fuck apparently. got 'fixed' as my boy and friends like to call it years ago in my late 20s. not to save the planet but cuz I just didn't want children

love having them around but my own? haha nope

my boy didn't want kids either and his option for that would have been way easier but I was the more militant one about no, not ever and figured that if we broke up and he ended up with a woman who wanted kids, why deny him that opportunity?

he smokes so much weed though, his sperm quality must be horrible

I wonder how many are just attaching a political motive to something they'd want anyway?

In the grand scheme of things having kids or not ain't that important (?)

[JesseQuinn]

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

In the grand scheme of things having kids or not ain't that important (?)

on a grand scale def not important but on a personal level it's a huge deal. in talking with parents (at my age most peeps around me have had a kid) it seems like it's something that fundamentally changes your life; goals, priorities, definitions of love, the whole nine yards. for me NOT having a kid has enabled me to do stuff I wouldn't have been able to do otherwise. I can't even imagine what my life would look like if I had a kid sidekick. so yeah, absolutely world changing

I like running the middle ground between both, the fun auntie who gets to send them home after we finish playing

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

nobody is doing this anywhere... you are just susceptible to videos just because they exist for some odd reason.

kinda guessed the clip was click bait, didn't watch it as I'm not that bored

if people are becoming more conscious of the fact that there are safe ways to prevent "whoops, guess I'm gonna be a parent now" tho, that's a good thing

[GAMEFINEST]

I don't plan to have any kids. Fuck em

Thanks

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

I actually think more people should opt out of parenting, judging by how shitty parents are today (and the abominations they produce).

Are there really more abominations than in the past?

Or are we just more aware of them through the glut of news, social media...

[lock]

Fantastic news save the world don't breed perfect. Even better hold breath till i say stop.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Are there really more abominations than in the past?

Or are we just more aware of them through the glut of news, social media...

That's true - with social media and smart phones we are now subjected to every little precious thought that pops into their mercurial Millennial minds. Oh joy!

Well I definitely want all these brats to get off my lawn. LOL
But I wanted that when I was 22 too. So maybe it's a good thing I'm not a parent. :D

[wankawonk]

OK intentionally sterilizing yourself in your youth is pretty fucking stupid...

but lately even my ultra-conservative trump-supporting baby boomer parents are looking at climate change and wondering about their decision to bring children into the world

it's not crazy to notice this shit

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Are there really more abominations than in the past?

Or are we just more aware of them through the glut of news, social media...

It's both.
Today's dumb asses can't think for themselves so they tune into whatever crap they find on the Internet and go absolutely stupid.

Then they post their stupidity and that in turns creates more idiots who go and post about their idiot beliefs.

Originally Posted by wankawonk

OK intentionally sterilizing yourself in your youth is pretty fucking stupid...

but lately even my ultra-conservative trump-supporting baby boomer parents are looking at climate change and wondering about their decision to bring children into the world

it's not crazy to notice this shit

My generation spent a fortune building fall-out shelters. I'm still waiting for the Russians to nuke us so I can say "I told you so."

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by JesseQuinn

my boy didn't want kids either and his option for that would have been way easier but I was the more militant one about no, not ever and figured that if we broke up and he ended up with a woman who wanted kids, why deny him that opportunity?

he smokes so much weed though, his sperm quality must be horrible

I'm an absolute hypocrite because I did a lot of different drugs.

But the first time I found my oldest with pot I put him through a wall. I'm proud to say that worked so well that none of my kids touch recreational drugs.... In fact they're not even too big on alcohol.

Tough love but it works really well.

[Bosa]

More women are choosing not to have kids, and society can't cope

"I don't want to have kids."

It's the kind of statement that often prompts total disbelief.

It's known to end conversations, leaving behind confused blank faces and dropped jaws.

Especially when coming from a woman.

"The response is always, 'You'll change your mind eventually'," says Jess Saras, 32.

She's childfree by choice, and despite being confident in her decision, Jess is constantly undermined by society's inability to separate women and motherhood.

The Australian Bureau of Statistics says that sometime in the next decade, the number of couples without children will overtake the number of couples with.

That means more women are choosing not to have kids.

It's a trend psychotherapist Zoe Krupka says is often wrongly labelled selfish, shallow and immature.

ABC podcast Ladies, We Need To Talk is sharing the stories of women who choose to be childfree to help clear up some pretty shitty misconceptions.

Have you grappled with the decision to have kids? What helped you decide (or are you still weighing things up)? Share with us via [email protected]

Why women choose not to have children
Dr Krupka defines childfree by choice as a woman making a conscious decision that she doesn't want to have her own children.

"It doesn't mean she doesn't want to co-parent or step-parent or help her friends out with their kids or be an aunty, but she's made a conscious decision that's not based on infertility or chance or circumstances beyond her control," she says.

And rather than it being about cost, ruining your body or the fact having kids can be a rough gig, Dr Krupka says women are turned off by the ridiculous standards around motherhood.

"You would think that it was about the terrible deal it can be when you have kids.

"But it's mostly, for a lot of women, about what the ideal of motherhood is like and what the standard is like — the perfectionism around mothering.

"It's not just that there isn't support for women to 'have it all', but that there is intense social criticism of mothers that makes it a particularly unattractive option."

Research shows women's reasons for choosing not to have children are multifaceted and complex.

Overpopulation and climate change, a lacking maternal instinct, health concerns and a desire for independence and freedom are just a few.

"There's this assumption that you're selfish because you've chosen not to have children," says Tory Shepherd, who has published a book on her decision to remain childfree.

"And there is something in that, because if you're having kids you need to give them everything.

"But then if you're having a kid just so they look after you when you're older, that's pretty selfish."

Dr Krupka adds there is no evidence to show people are more selfless as a parent.

'Life has to change' when you have a baby
Actor Jess, who we heard from earlier, says she doesn't really like children.

And given the state of the world, she worries about what kind of life they would have anyway.

"It's a huge weight on my mind … what problems are we passing on to them that they had no control over?"

Caroline Epskamp is 48 and says she's never felt maternal. And her husband of 22 years didn't have a strong opinion either way.

"I'm a big animal lover, like show me a puppy and I'll be pretty excited. Show me a baby, and I'm fairly blasé about the whole thing."

She values her freedom and independence and says kids would have hindered that.

"You have to give some stuff up when you have children, life has to change," she says.

"Those who say it won't change are delusional because you'll drive yourself mad trying to keep it the same.

"We travel a lot … [and] we've always been really happy with our marriage and our partnership and the life that we lead."

Melbourne writer Gemma, 40, says the choice not to be a parent was made with her mental health in mind.

"The main reasons I'm childfree by choice is my fear that my post-natal depression will be so debilitating that I would not be able to bond with my child," she says.

Women are happy with their decision, but no-one else is

Whatever the reason, the research shows most women who choose a childfree life are confident in their decision.

It's everybody else who struggles with it.

"There's this kind of cultural ideal that [as a woman] you're supposed to want to nurture and care for," Dr Krupka says.

"So when you say, 'I don't want to do that', it's like you're not a real woman."

Tory says she's been made to feel like if you don't use your womb, "you're not really a woman".

"It's just the next step you do, you get married and you have kids."

Caroline says there is "stunned silence" when correcting people who assume she has kids.

"I mean I've started saying to cab drivers, 'Nah mate, my ovaries are done, I'm not going to change my mind'," she says.

"And how dare you suggest that I made the wrong decision by implying that I'll come to the right one eventually."

Another woman Ladies, We Need to Talk spoke to put it as: "I would love it if people wouldn't see it as something you lack … [but rather] as something that embraces other things."

No kids? No invites
Women without kids don't just face judgement and scrutiny, they can be socially excluded too — and not just during the 'childbearing years'.

That can be in small ways like being excluded from conversations, or bigger ways like not being invited to a kid's birthday party, explains Dr Krupka.

"Women who don't have children are really socially on the periphery."

It continues throughout life, to the point women are expected to not just be mothers, but grandmothers too.

"You get to the age people expect you to be a grandparent," Dr Krupka says.

"Women I know in their 60s and 70s who haven't had children say it's the first thing people ask you, just like they used to in your 30s.

"[Except] now it's like, tell me about your grandchildren. I don't have any. End of conversation."

The Ladies, We Need to Talk team spoke to a woman in her early 50s who relates to exactly this.

"Women your own age don't seem to know how to talk to you anymore unless they're in the same boat because all they seem to talk about of their children or their grandchildren," she says.

"Because you don't have children, you just don't count anymore."

The best part of being childfree
Jess says the best thing about being childfree is "not having to think about anyone else in terms of choices that I make with my life being spontaneous. Being true to myself".

"We generally sleep all night, we can cook whatever we want for dinner and it gets eaten by the other person in the house — gratefully received. No bottoms to wipe," says Caroline.

Tory says it's the extra brain space she enjoys.

"I have constant anxiety anyway, but I would have a constant thrum of anxiety about them. Are they OK? Am I doing the best? … Did I leave them in the car?"

Ultimately, the freedom to choose, one way or the other, is something we should celebrate.

But just how free that choice actually is, when much of society still expects women to choose to be mothers, is something worth considering.