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  • Paul Markham
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    • Jun 2001
    • 52942
    #1

    Business Is the porn industry growing or shrinking over the last 5 years?

    No one with any brains can claim the industry makes more than it did pre 2006, so is it making more or less money the last 6 years?

    It's pointless to make claims based on personal incomes because without proof they mean nothing. Even the growth of domains could mean existing domains not doing enough.

    Base it on the price of clicks to porn sites, the number of advertisers bidding for porn traffic and the price they pay, the prices for content, quantity of content, price for premium names, design prices, forum traffic, etc.

    Anything but the inane "We are making loads more money because I say so."



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    • King Mark
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      • Aug 2016
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      #2
      I'm no expert of how to gauge this Paul style since you have so many rules, but im sure the industry makes more money than ever... just the tubes and actual talent making most of it now... suitcase pimps, content providers and affiliates becoming increasingly obsolete.

      Just my opinion tho. I dont check that stuff. That ain't my lane anymore. However, most of my social media marketing clients are straight up talent/models with no middlemen, and those are the things we've discussed.

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        • Major (Tom)
          So Fucking Banned
          • Nov 2003
          • 32492
          #3
          Shrinking. Real porn that is. Now the iphone crowd has all became directors. For the people who can afford to produce their own real content it’s still extremely profitable. Funny how I ended up being one of the last ones standing.

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            • Brian mike
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                • thommy
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                  • Jun 2003
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                  #5
                  Originally posted by King Mark
                  I'm no expert of how to gauge this Paul style since you have so many rules, but im sure the industry makes more money than ever... just the tubes and actual talent making most of it now... suitcase pimps, content providers and affiliates becoming increasingly obsolete.

                  Just my opinion tho. I dont check that stuff. That ain't my lane anymore. However, most of my social media marketing clients are straight up talent/models with no middlemen, and those are the things we've discussed.
                  business in the porn industry for paul means to sell videos and nothing else.
                  for him the internet is for porn and only HIS porn.

                  if you take as an example livecams (and nobody will doubt that they are part of the porn industry) I can already see 10-20 new BIG portals alone in the past 5 years.

                  but it is senseless to explain the old fart how money is made today - he will never get it.
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                    • crockett
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                      • May 2003
                      • 76818
                      #6
                      It's simple, social media removed the middle men.. Reddit for example is full of models selling direct to consumers and needing no website of their own to do it.
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                        • The Porn Nerd
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                          • Jun 2009
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                          #7
                          The porn biz is like your dick Paul. It grows and shrinks, depending on the weather.
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                            • thommy
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                              • Jun 2003
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                              #8
                              Originally posted by crockett
                              It's simple, social media removed the middle men.. Reddit for example is full of models selling direct to consumers and needing no website of their own to do it.
                              to define if a biz is increasing or decreasing you always have to see the whole pot and not just one perspective.

                              when drones delivering the goods and replace a human delivery it does not mean that the biz itself is gone - it is just the delivery what is outdated.

                              imagine: if facebook would charge 5 dollar per month - how much users would they have? let´s assume they would have 0,01% it would be still a lot but not even a fraction fraction of the 60 billion they make with something that is completely free.

                              even a huge porn-membersite with 50.000 paying members a 10.-- US per month (and there are not many of this size or bigger) would not make more than 6 million in annual revenue. this is around 0.7% of what mindgeek alone makes.

                              if you see that mindgeek have less than 10% market share in the complete advertising and affiliate market in adult worldwide you see the the whole pot is damned big but still only 4 % of the complete online advertising market wich makes around 300 THOUSAND MILLION in annual revenue.

                              the times paul can remember have been the times when the complete adult industry had a total revenue of less than 1 billion worldwide.
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                                • MaDalton
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                                    • Axeman
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                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by StefanG
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                                        • thommy
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                                          • Jun 2003
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                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by Axeman
                                          hahahaha. Great movie.
                                          i think paul watch it daily because he forgot that he have seen it yesterday already
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                                            • CurrentlySober
                                              Too lazy to wipe my ass
                                              • Aug 2002
                                              • 38944
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by StefanG
                                              Fun Fact: Its an open secret that during that scene, Bill Murray placed his erect penis inside the Groundhog, hence the look on his face...


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                                                • AmateurFlix
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                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by thommy
                                                  if you see that mindgeek have less than 10% market share in the complete advertising and affiliate market in adult worldwide you see the the whole pot is damned big but still only 4 % of the complete online advertising market wich makes around 300 THOUSAND MILLION in annual revenue.
                                                  Look at what's being promoted on the biggest sites and you'll have a rough idea of where the money is currently. For some time now, that has been cams and dating sites. Lots more money in that than in paysites.

                                                  I also see a lot of sex toys and adult video games advertised on those sites.

                                                  After that, I'd go so far as to say virus infection attempts are what advertisers are willing to spend money on

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                                                    • thommy
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                                                      • Jun 2003
                                                      • 5469
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by AmateurFlix
                                                      Look at what's being promoted on the biggest sites and you'll have a rough idea of where the money is currently. For some time now, that has been cams and dating sites. Lots more money in that than in paysites.
                                                      sure and not only this - there is MUCH MORE concept in it as you can see on the first view.

                                                      I also see a lot of sex toys and adult video games advertised on those sites.
                                                      not to forget enhancement, sex-holidays, gaming, gambling and even legal cannabis products are doing great.

                                                      After that, I'd go so far as to say virus infection attempts are what advertisers are willing to spend money on
                                                      of course - at least they try it again and again to run their "tech support offers" on every network they can find.
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                                                        • MaDalton
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                                                          • Feb 2004
                                                          • 39861
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by CurrentlySober
                                                          Fun Fact: Its an open secret that during that scene, Bill Murray placed his erect penis inside the Groundhog, hence the look on his face...
                                                          Murrays or the groundhogs face?
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                                                            • CaptainHowdy
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                                                              • Dec 2004
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                                                              #16
                                                              Award-winning trolling right there, people . . .

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                                                                • pimpmaster9000
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                                                                  #17
                                                                  If paul says its shrinking, you can safely bet money that it is growing...
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                                                                    • The Porn Nerd
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                                                                      • Jun 2009
                                                                      • 19787
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by CurrentlySober
                                                                      Fun Fact: Its an open secret that during that scene, Bill Murray placed his erect penis inside the Groundhog, hence the look on his face...
                                                                      Damn, Murray must have a HUGE cock 'cause that groundhog is sitting pretty high up on the steering wheel.

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                                                                        • Paul Markham
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                                                                          • Jun 2001
                                                                          • 52942
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by King Mark
                                                                          I'm no expert of how to gauge this Paul style since you have so many rules, but im sure the industry makes more money than ever... just the tubes and actual talent making most of it now... suitcase pimps, content providers and affiliates becoming increasingly obsolete.

                                                                          Just my opinion tho. I dont check that stuff. That ain't my lane anymore. However, most of my social media marketing clients are straight up talent/models with no middlemen, and those are the things we've discussed.
                                                                          Without content there are no tubes.



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                                                                            • Paul Markham
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                                                                              • Jun 2001
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                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by DukeSkywalker
                                                                              Shrinking. Real porn that is. Now the iphone crowd has all became directors. For the people who can afford to produce their own real content it’s still extremely profitable. Funny how I ended up being one of the last ones standing.
                                                                              Agreed for those left standing they pick up from the failures. Until it's their turn to fail. We've all seen big companies go down.



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                                                                                • King Mark
                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                  • Aug 2016
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                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                  Without content there are no tubes.
                                                                                  Yeah, but try uploading some of that content you're sitting on and let us know how that worked out for you.

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                                                                                    • NemesisEnforcer
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                                                                                      • Aug 2003
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                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                      No one with any brains can claim the industry makes more than it did pre 2006, so is it making more or less money the last 6 years?

                                                                                      It's pointless to make claims based on personal incomes because without proof they mean nothing. Even the growth of domains could mean existing domains not doing enough.

                                                                                      Base it on the price of clicks to porn sites, the number of advertisers bidding for porn traffic and the price they pay, the prices for content, quantity of content, price for premium names, design prices, forum traffic, etc.

                                                                                      Anything but the inane "We are making loads more money because I say so."
                                                                                      From the April 2019 report for adult and pornographic websites in the U.S. (excluding offline distribution of pornography and live webcam shows):
                                                                                      "Over the past five years, industry revenue increased at an annualized rate of 10.1%, including 6.2% growth projected over 2019 alone.

                                                                                      Over the five years to 2024, industry revenue is projected to increase at an annualized rate of 5.1% ..."

                                                                                      This is NOT comparing 2019 to 2006, just trends for the given years. Although the report provides numbers for revenue, it does state, "Average industry profit margins have remained low, ..."
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                                                                                        • Paul Markham
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                                                                                          • Jun 2001
                                                                                          • 52942
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by crockett
                                                                                          It's simple, social media removed the middle men.. Reddit for example is full of models selling direct to consumers and needing no website of their own to do it.
                                                                                          Which illustrates your knowledge of the industry.

                                                                                          All models can produce is low quality content. Good content requires good camera, good lighting, good sound, skilled cameraman and good partners to perform with. Is that no longer profitable for many to shoot or has the market done a 180 degree turn and changed what it demands?



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                                                                                            • Paul Markham
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                                                                                              • Jun 2001
                                                                                              • 52942
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by AmateurFlix
                                                                                              Look at what's being promoted on the biggest sites and you'll have a rough idea of where the money is currently. For some time now, that has been cams and dating sites. Lots more money in that than in paysites.

                                                                                              I also see a lot of sex toys and adult video games advertised on those sites.

                                                                                              After that, I'd go so far as to say virus infection attempts are what advertisers are willing to spend money on
                                                                                              Today there is more money in cams and dating sites, but that doesn't answer my question.

                                                                                              Also is the dating business really porn?

                                                                                              If it is the best way to make money off a porn tube I see very few advertising on them. Certainly not the big ones.



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                                                                                                • Paul Markham
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                                                                                                  • Jun 2001
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                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by NemesisEnforcer
                                                                                                  From the April 2019 report for adult and pornographic websites in the U.S. (excluding offline distribution of pornography and live webcam shows):
                                                                                                  "Over the past five years, industry revenue increased at an annualized rate of 10.1%, including 6.2% growth projected over 2019 alone.

                                                                                                  Over the five years to 2024, industry revenue is projected to increase at an annualized rate of 5.1% ..."

                                                                                                  This is NOT comparing 2019 to 2006, just trends for the given years. Although the report provides numbers for revenue, it does state, "Average industry profit margins have remained low, ..."
                                                                                                  Interesting. Do you have a link to the article?



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                                                                                                    • Paul Markham
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                                                                                                      • Jun 2001
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                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by CaptainHowdy
                                                                                                      Award-winning trolling right there, people . . .
                                                                                                      If discussing the health of the industry isn't important, what is?



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                                                                                                        • thommy
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                                                                                                          • Jun 2003
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                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by NemesisEnforcer
                                                                                                          From the April 2019 report for adult and pornographic websites in the U.S. (excluding offline distribution of pornography and live webcam shows):
                                                                                                          "Over the past five years, industry revenue increased at an annualized rate of 10.1%, including 6.2% growth projected over 2019 alone.

                                                                                                          Over the five years to 2024, industry revenue is projected to increase at an annualized rate of 5.1% ..."

                                                                                                          This is NOT comparing 2019 to 2006, just trends for the given years. Although the report provides numbers for revenue, it does state, "Average industry profit margins have remained low, ..."

                                                                                                          as the big companies aren´t in the US this numbers seems to be more or less correct - assuming that a big part of the revenue is not declared as "adult revenue".

                                                                                                          "Average industry profit margins have remained low, ..."
                                                                                                          this indicates that ad revenues are not included.
                                                                                                          industry profits for B2C sales have been always quite low.

                                                                                                          but in fact it only looks at the companies based in US. alone mindgeek have a higher revenue than the total 618 million they are talking here. maybe 5-6% of the worldwide online adult revenues are made from US based companies.


                                                                                                          unfortunately paul doesn't find the dividing line between online and offline here. of course there are no more CDs sold today and of course the paid membership model lost a lot and of course that has a lot to do with the tubes.

                                                                                                          the total world market in 2007 was 20 billion sales (included video sales and rentals, Internet sales, cable, pay-perview, phone sex, exotic dance clubs, magazines, and novelty stores) from this 20 billion 4 billion came from so called copyable media (videos, pictures) the other 16 billion can not be copied because they are based on hardware or human service.

                                                                                                          even when the tubes would take 50% of this 4 billion it is a joke in compare to the 14 billion that are made today with paid ads on free adult sites.

                                                                                                          paul does not understand that an advertiser on adult sites have very other targets as to make just profit with the product he promotes. many of them do not even sell something but give something for free. advertisers for "win an iphone" do not sell anything to the user, they collect emails and the value of every single email is 10 times higher than the profit that can be realized selling a membership or a video.

                                                                                                          monetizing a site with advertising will always make more money as it can be used to sell each kind of service or product. and this gives access not only to the 0,26% of the budget we got til now from a porn site user. we can go to 100% of his buying power.
                                                                                                          and BECAUSE it is free we get this buying power from much more people than only the ones that are willing to pay for porn.

                                                                                                          the difference to the "good old times" is only that we all have been focused to sell one specific product - but ALL THIS PRODUCTS have been sold via advertising (just paid on other models). so without advertising this good old times would not even exist.

                                                                                                          so the old fart is promoting adblock plus on his facebook site and does not even know where he got his little money from in his "golden days".

                                                                                                          that alone proves enough that he doesn't even know why he made money.
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                                                                                                            • SBJ
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                                                                                                              • Apr 2003
                                                                                                              • 11387
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                                              If discussing the health of the industry isn't important, what is?

                                                                                                              Old man, you are retired and know nothing about what makes money today.

                                                                                                              There are a ton of amateur models that make a very good living off of making their own content. Selling their snap chat and other things like personal websites.

                                                                                                              https://www.pornhub.com/pornstar/indigo-white

                                                                                                              This girl has never worked with pros and she has 111 million views to her vids

                                                                                                              https://indigowhitetv.com/store

                                                                                                              a lot of models make good money with clips stores like many vids.

                                                                                                              Most cam models that make any money invest in softbox lights, HD cams, and DSLR cameras.

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                                                                                                                • thommy
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                                                                                                                  • Jun 2003
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                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                                                  Which illustrates your knowledge of the industry.

                                                                                                                  All models can produce is low quality content. Good content requires good camera, good lighting, good sound, skilled cameraman and good partners to perform with. Is that no longer profitable for many to shoot or has the market done a 180 degree turn and changed what it demands?
                                                                                                                  amateurs produced HD content already when it was too expensive for you.
                                                                                                                  their content is shown at beate uhse TV and the big payTV stations. yours is not
                                                                                                                  because it is amateur.

                                                                                                                  the one and only thing i have to admit is that you mostly had cute models but the quality
                                                                                                                  and creativity was FAR lower than the quality I saw in this time from the so called amateurs.
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                                                                                                                    • thommy
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                                                                                                                      • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                      • 5469
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by SBJ
                                                                                                                      Old man, you are retired and know nothing about what makes money today.

                                                                                                                      There are a ton of amateur models that make a very good living off of making their own content. Selling their snap chat and other things like personal websites.

                                                                                                                      https://www.pornhub.com/pornstar/indigo-white

                                                                                                                      This girl has never worked with pros and she has 111 million views to her vids

                                                                                                                      https://indigowhitetv.com/store

                                                                                                                      a lot of models make good money with clips stores like many vids.

                                                                                                                      Most cam models that make any money invest in softbox lights, HD cams, and DSLR cameras.
                                                                                                                      but if paul does not like the truth it is not the truth.
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                                                                                                                        • SBJ
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                                                                                                                          • Apr 2003
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                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by thommy
                                                                                                                          but if paul does not like the truth it is not the truth.
                                                                                                                          Yup. It's not the 90's and the way people make money is so much different today.

                                                                                                                          I make most of my money off CB and my phone sex job. With promoting paysites, I get a few sales from time to time. The tubes changed the game.

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                                                                                                                            • thommy
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                                                                                                                              • Jun 2003
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                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by SBJ
                                                                                                                              The tubes changed the game.
                                                                                                                              same happend to cinemas when free TV came

                                                                                                                              and film industry was finally rescued from the ones that could adapt

                                                                                                                              here is a very interesting article with many similarities

                                                                                                                              https://www.encyclopedia.com/arts/cu...ry-early-1950s
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                                                                                                                                • Roald
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                                                                                                                                  • May 2001
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                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  nevermind.


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                                                                                                                                    • ilnjscb
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                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by SBJ

                                                                                                                                      https://www.pornhub.com/pornstar/indigo-white

                                                                                                                                      This girl has never worked with pros and she has 111 million views to her vids
                                                                                                                                      Which is worth what like $1110 bucks?

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                                                                                                                                        • SBJ
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                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by ilnjscb
                                                                                                                                          Which is worth what like $1110 bucks?
                                                                                                                                          I have no idea how much they are paid for views but that was just one of 10 ways a girl like her makes money.

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                                                                                                                                            • The Porn Nerd
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                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              So according to Thommy the only thing porn is nowadays is ADS ADS ADS eh?
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                                                                                                                                                • NemesisEnforcer
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                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                                  Interesting. Do you have a link to the article?
                                                                                                                                                  Not an article, it's a research report from one of the think tanks.
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                                                                                                                                                    • NemesisEnforcer
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                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by ilnjscb
                                                                                                                                                      Which is worth what like $1110 bucks?
                                                                                                                                                      At the low end, $300,000.00 (USD). If she had done it right, a high of $4 million (USD).
                                                                                                                                                      The Only Time When Success Comes Before Work Is In A Dictionary.

                                                                                                                                                      Did you ever notice: When you put the 2 words 'The' and 'IRS' together it spells 'Theirs.'

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                                                                                                                                                        • thommy
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                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by The Porn Nerd
                                                                                                                                                          So according to Thommy the only thing porn is nowadays is ADS ADS ADS eh?
                                                                                                                                                          everything is ads ads ads - no product ist sold without promotion and the advertising industry is the biggest industry online - any doubts on that?
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                                                                                                                                                            • fuzebox
                                                                                                                                                              making it rain
                                                                                                                                                              • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                                                              • 22351
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                                              Which illustrates your knowledge of the industry.

                                                                                                                                                              All models can produce is low quality content. Good content requires good camera, good lighting, good sound, skilled cameraman and good partners to perform with. Is that no longer profitable for many to shoot or has the market done a 180 degree turn and changed what it demands?
                                                                                                                                                              Customers have proven that they now prefer "low quality" content produced by the model, and are willing to pay for it.

                                                                                                                                                              Your knowledge of the industry is obselete.

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                                                                                                                                                                • thommy
                                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                  • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                                                                  • 5469
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by fuzebox
                                                                                                                                                                  Customers have proven that they now prefer "low quality" content produced by the model, and are willing to pay for it.

                                                                                                                                                                  Your knowledge of the industry is obselete.
                                                                                                                                                                  obsolete is a nice paraphrase for stupidity.
                                                                                                                                                                  Open for handpicked publishers and advertisers:
                                                                                                                                                                  www.trafficfabrik.com

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                                                                                                                                                                    • SBJ
                                                                                                                                                                      So Fucking Fabulous
                                                                                                                                                                      • Apr 2003
                                                                                                                                                                      • 11387
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by NemesisEnforcer
                                                                                                                                                                      At the low end, $300,000.00 (USD). If she had done it right, a high of $4 million (USD).
                                                                                                                                                                      $300k sounds a lot better than 11k. Not a bad pay for making 215 videos at home when you have time.

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                                                                                                                                                                        • The Porn Nerd
                                                                                                                                                                          Living The Dream
                                                                                                                                                                          • Jun 2009
                                                                                                                                                                          • 19787
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by NemesisEnforcer
                                                                                                                                                                          At the low end, $300,000.00 (USD). If she had done it right, a high of $4 million (USD).
                                                                                                                                                                          Damn, my video views (for all my sites) is well over ONE BILLION VIEWS over the past 10+ years.

                                                                                                                                                                          But hey, there is no money in porn.
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                                                                                                                                                                            • trevesty
                                                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                              • Aug 2006
                                                                                                                                                                              • 3810
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by DukeSkywalker
                                                                                                                                                                              Shrinking. Real porn that is. Now the iphone crowd has all became directors. For the people who can afford to produce their own real content it’s still extremely profitable. Funny how I ended up being one of the last ones standing.
                                                                                                                                                                              Plenty of new studios and old companies launching new sites all the time that's "real".

                                                                                                                                                                              They just have no presence on GFY.
                                                                                                                                                                              The Fap Guide

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                                                                                                                                                                                • trevesty
                                                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                  • Aug 2006
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 3810
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                                                                  Which illustrates your knowledge of the industry.

                                                                                                                                                                                  All models can produce is low quality content. Good content requires good camera, good lighting, good sound, skilled cameraman and good partners to perform with. Is that no longer profitable for many to shoot or has the market done a 180 degree turn and changed what it demands?
                                                                                                                                                                                  Paul, there are many girls using their iPhone to make more money than your shit content ever did. Some of these girls are clearing $250k+ PER MONTH from all outlets (premium Snapchat / clip sites / PornHub's platforms, etc).

                                                                                                                                                                                  "Good" content is determined by what the market will purchase; not by your shit standards.
                                                                                                                                                                                  The Fap Guide

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • ZENRA
                                                                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                      • Sep 2016
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 655
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Barrier to entry has never been easier, but at the same time, you're a slave now more to the various networks (MV, PH Models, C4S, etc etc) rather than having more direct control.

                                                                                                                                                                                      As others have noted, being so easy to produce and sell makes more competition for regular studios which may end up producing less big budget titles with storylines and big crews.
                                                                                                                                                                                      ZENRA | Subtitled Japanese AV | @ZENRAMANIAC
                                                                                                                                                                                      JAV VR Content Manager at SexLikeReal

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • ilnjscb
                                                                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                          • Jun 2009
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 8972
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by NemesisEnforcer
                                                                                                                                                                                          At the low end, $300,000.00 (USD). If she had done it right, a high of $4 million (USD).
                                                                                                                                                                                          What. Are. You. Smoking??

                                                                                                                                                                                          115M = 115,000 CPM at MAYBE .30 with the way they do revshare and usually not every view is monetized. More like 30% of views.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Absolute best case 115,000 * .30 = 40k$

                                                                                                                                                                                          Dude a top line mainstream site averages 12$ CPM porn? Hell no.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • Major (Tom)
                                                                                                                                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                                              • Nov 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 32492
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by trevesty
                                                                                                                                                                                              Plenty of new studios and old companies launching new sites all the time that's "real".

                                                                                                                                                                                              They just have no presence on GFY.

                                                                                                                                                                                              My point is, there are tons of cell phone producers. When I started it was about millions. Now when people start, it’s about getting laid & making enough to pay bills

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                                                                                                                                                                                                • ilnjscb
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Jun 2009
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 8972
                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by DukeSkywalker
                                                                                                                                                                                                  My point is, there are tons of cell phone producers. When I started it was about millions. Now when people start, it’s about getting laid & making enough to pay bills
                                                                                                                                                                                                  This - why would you not listen to an established name and a long time poster? You can google him and see all his work.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Content creation has changed drastically - that is the side Paul is coming at it from.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • SBJ
                                                                                                                                                                                                      So Fucking Fabulous
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Apr 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • 11387
                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by ilnjscb
                                                                                                                                                                                                      What. Are. You. Smoking??

                                                                                                                                                                                                      115M = 115,000 CPM at MAYBE .30 with the way they do revshare and usually not every view is monetized. More like 30% of views.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Absolute best case 115,000 * .30 = 40k$

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Dude a top line mainstream site averages 12$ CPM porn? Hell no.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      well there is this
                                                                                                                                                                                                      https://help.pornhub.com/hc/en-us/ar...gs-calculated-
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Viewshare Rate

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Viewshare pays out a monthly rate per thousand views on your content. The rate is based on the program's performance on that particular month on a whole. A percentage of the revenue of Premium is paid out to all the videos in Viewshare and each video gets a piece of the revenue based on the amount of views.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Basically, the better Pornhub Premium does as a whole, the more money you make.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      For example, in 2017, the average Viewshare rate was $45 per 1000 views.

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