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  • Evil Chris
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    • Dec 2001
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    #1

    Of all the "end of the world" dystopian stories out there...

    Which one do you think looks like something that might really happen?

    This is one of my favourite movie/book genres. Thoughts?


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  • Klen
    • Aug 2006
    • 32235

    #2
    That's easy - idiocracy

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    • Evil Chris
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      • Dec 2001
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      #3
      Originally posted by KlenTelaris
      That's easy - idiocracy
      I better see that one. I never got around to it.


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      • ilnjscb
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        • Jun 2009
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        #4
        Originally posted by Evil Chris
        I better see that one. I never got around to it.
        You really should

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        • CurrentlySober
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          • Aug 2002
          • 38957

          #5
          Originally posted by KlenTelaris
          That's easy - idiocracy
          Also check out 'Sorry to bother you"... Not quite a crazy as idiocracy, but surprisingly good if you go into it blind...

          Its set a little bit in the future, in a recognisable, yet alternative version of Oakland CA... Like I say, going into it blind is best, because it's not really about what it appears to be at all..


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          • escorpio
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            • Oct 2002
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            #6
            The Road

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            • Evil Chris
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              • Dec 2001
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              #7
              Originally posted by CurrentlySober
              Also check out 'Sorry to bother you"... Not quite a crazy as idiocracy, but surprisingly good if you go into it blind...

              Its set a little bit in the future, in a recognisable, yet alternative version of Oakland CA... Like I say, going into it blind is best, because it's not really about what it appears to be at all..
              Looks good, I will wishlist that one.


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              • Sly
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                • Sep 2004
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                #8
                I like this genre quite a bit, too. The idea of destruction and rebirth has always fascinated me. The Phoenix.
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                • MaDalton
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by KlenTelaris
                  That's easy - idiocracy
                  It's already happening

                  and then there is this:
                  https://www.facebook.com/MovementToC...AsDocumentary/
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                  • notinmybackyard
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                    • Sep 2012
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                    #10
                    Atlas Shrugged by Ayan Rand
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                    • Klen
                      • Aug 2006
                      • 32235

                      #11
                      Originally posted by StefanG
                      It's already happening

                      and then there is this:
                      https://www.facebook.com/MovementToC...AsDocumentary/
                      Nice page , following. And yes, i know it already happening, even author of movie was surprised how quickly his predictions are coming true. And movie suppose to be a joke.

                      And also, i like money

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                      • CaptainHowdy
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                        • Dec 2004
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by escorpio
                        The Road

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                        I'm right there with you . . . the end will be long.

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                        • ilnjscb
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                          • Jun 2009
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by escorpio
                          The Road

                          .
                          This is the worst shit ever. That scene in the basement I still can't forget. The book is even better.

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                          • CaptainHowdy
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                            • Dec 2004
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by notinmybackyard
                            Atlas Shrugged by Ayan Rand
                            Never got around to read it. Isn't Ayn Rand a bit of a cunt??

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                            • Rochard
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                              • Dec 2001
                              • 75733

                              #15
                              I love these "end of the world" movies.... My favorite by far is "The Stand" by Stephen King. It's old but holds up good. In fact, I think I read they are making a movie out of it.

                              I honestly believe that the world will end either by disease like in The Stand, climate change, or a meteor hitting us.
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                              • PR_Glen
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by Evil Chris
                                I better see that one. I never got around to it.
                                I never understood the cult following with this movie. it's pretty stupid and deep as a puddle compared to Office Space. which is another movie mike judge did that was far superior.
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                                • notinmybackyard
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by CaptainHowdy
                                  Never got around to read it. Isn't Ayn Rand a bit of a cunt??
                                  More like she was butt ugly and tough as nails. However her books are the stuff of prophesy.

                                  50+ years ago she literally predicted everything that we're now witnessing. When she was alive she hung out with people like Alan Greenspan.

                                  Today her book Atlas Shrugged is considered a sort of bible by people such as Peter Theil, Jimmy Wales, John Mackey, and Paul Ryan.

                                  So if you're ever in the mood to change the way you see the world then I highly recommend you read Ayan Rand.
                                  officially retired as of March 01 2018 but still fucking around and getting into shit.

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                                  • Sly
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                                    • Sep 2004
                                    • 31377

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by notinmybackyard
                                    Today her book Atlas Shrugged is considered a sort of bible by people such as Peter Theil, Jimmy Wales, John Mackey, and Paul Ryan.
                                    Both of my brothers cite that as their favorite book. I have never read it. I'll check it out.
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                                    • CaptainHowdy
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by notinmybackyard
                                      More like she was butt ugly and tough as nails. However her books are the stuff of prophesy.

                                      50+ years ago she literally predicted everything that we're now witnessing. When she was alive she hung out with people like Alan Greenspan.

                                      Today her book Atlas Shrugged is considered a sort of bible by people such as Peter Theil, Jimmy Wales, John Mackey, and Paul Ryan.

                                      So if you're ever in the mood to change the way you see the world then I highly recommend you read Ayan Rand.
                                      Will do. Thanks .

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                                      • MaDalton
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by notinmybackyard
                                        Atlas Shrugged by Ayan Rand
                                        Mein Kampf 2.0
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                                        • MaDalton
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Sly
                                          Both of my brothers cite that as their favorite book. I have never read it. I'll check it out.
                                          It's basically the bible of the alt-right
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                                          • Sly
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by StefanG
                                            It's basically the bible of the alt-right
                                            I find that difficult to believe as they are both the exact opposite.
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                                            • Paul&John
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by KlenTelaris
                                              That's easy - idiocracy

                                              Originally posted by CurrentlySober
                                              Also check out 'Sorry to bother you"... Not quite a crazy as idiocracy, but surprisingly good if you go into it blind...

                                              Its set a little bit in the future, in a recognisable, yet alternative version of Oakland CA... Like I say, going into it blind is best, because it's not really about what it appears to be at all..
                                              The first half or so was pretty good but then.. i dont know lol
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                                              • pimpmaster9000
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                                                #24
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                                                • kane
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                                                  • Aug 2001
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                                                  #25
                                                  I would think The Stand or any of those stories where a terrible disease has wiped out most of the population.

                                                  I used to think we would wipe ourselves out with nuclear weapons (and we still may) but these days I thing it is more likely some kind of bad disease will come along and do bad things.

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                                                  • 12clicks
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                                                    • Jan 2001
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                                                    #26
                                                    if the liberals win, fahrenheit 451
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                                                    • Evil Chris
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                                                      • Dec 2001
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                      if the liberals win, fahrenheit 451
                                                      1966 or 2018 version?

                                                      I like the 1966 version much better.


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                                                      • Evil Chris
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                                                        #28
                                                        Pretty good list here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dystopian_films


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                                                        • Klen
                                                          • Aug 2006
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Evil Chris
                                                          1966 or 2018 version?

                                                          I like the 1966 version much better.
                                                          Everyone like original version better as cover was joke.

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                                                          • crockett
                                                            in a van by the river
                                                            • May 2003
                                                            • 76818

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by StefanG
                                                            It's already happening

                                                            and then there is this:
                                                            https://www.facebook.com/MovementToC...AsDocumentary/
                                                            oh boy....
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                                                            • crockett
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                                                              • May 2003
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                              if the liberals win, fahrenheit 451
                                                              I hate to break it to you, but it's you nutters who like to burn books.. It's always the Religious nutters and Nazis..


                                                              To the OP... I say a random meteor strike that we don't see coming or Yellowstone erupts and takes us out..

                                                              I don't think we have to worry about a super bug as humans have always managed to live through those situations as there are always people who are immune.. Global warming is of course the biggest threat, but I don't think it will end life..

                                                              Idiocracy was a documentary about the current president and his fan base but even that dooms day had a happy ending..
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                                                              • brassmonkey
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by escorpio
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                                                                • Evil Chris
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by KlenTelaris
                                                                  That's easy - idiocracy
                                                                  ok so based on this thread, I watched Idiocracy last night.

                                                                  Great movie, and under-rated too IMO. But it's a comedy, rather than a serious dystopian film which is more of what I was asking about.

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                                                                  • MaDalton
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Sly
                                                                    I find that difficult to believe as they are both the exact opposite.
                                                                    Although she rejected the labels "conservative" and "libertarian",[178] Rand has had continuing influence on right-wing politics and libertarianism.[11] Jim Powell, a senior fellow at the Cato Institute, considers Rand one of the three most important women (along with Rose Wilder Lane and Isabel Paterson) of modern American libertarianism,[179] and David Nolan, one of the founders of the Libertarian Party, stated that "without Ayn Rand, the libertarian movement would not exist".[180] In his history of the libertarian movement, journalist Brian Doherty described her as "the most influential libertarian of the twentieth century to the public at large"[161] and biographer Jennifer Burns referred to her as "the ultimate gateway drug to life on the right".[181] Economist and Ayn Rand student George Reisman wrote: "Ayn Rand...in particular, must be cited as providing a philosophical foundation for the case of capitalism, and as being responsible probably more than anyone else for the current spread of pro-capitalist ideas."[182]

                                                                    She faced intense opposition from William F. Buckley, Jr. and other contributors for the National Review magazine. They published numerous criticisms in the 1950s and 1960s by Whittaker Chambers, Garry Wills, and M. Stanton Evans. Nevertheless, her influence among conservatives forced Buckley and other National Review contributors to reconsider how traditional notions of virtue and Christianity could be integrated with support for capitalism.[183]

                                                                    The political figures who cite Rand as an influence are usually conservatives (often members of the Republican Party),[184] despite Rand taking some positions that are atypical for conservatives, such as being pro-choice and an atheist.[185] A 1987 article in The New York Times referred to her as the Reagan administration's "novelist laureate".[186] Republican Congressmen and conservative pundits have acknowledged her influence on their lives and have recommended her novels.[187]

                                                                    The financial crisis of 2007–2008 spurred renewed interest in her works, especially Atlas Shrugged, which some saw as foreshadowing the crisis.[188] Opinion articles compared real-world events with the plot of the novel.[189] During this time, signs mentioning Rand and her fictional hero John Galt appeared at Tea Party protests.[190] There was also increased criticism of her ideas, especially from the political left, with critics blaming the economic crisis on her support of selfishness and free markets, particularly through her influence on Alan Greenspan.[191] For example, Mother Jones remarked that "Rand's particular genius has always been her ability to turn upside down traditional hierarchies and recast the wealthy, the talented, and the powerful as the oppressed"[185] while equating Randian individual well-being with that of the Volk according to Goebbels. Corey Robin of The Nation alleged similarities between the "moral syntax of Randianism" and fascism.
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                                                                    • Klen
                                                                      • Aug 2006
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Evil Chris
                                                                      ok so based on this thread, I watched Idiocracy last night.

                                                                      Great movie, and under-rated too IMO. But it's a comedy, rather than a serious dystopian film which is more of what I was asking about.

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                                                                      • 12clicks
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                                                                        • Jan 2001
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by Evil Chris
                                                                        1966 or 2018 version?

                                                                        I like the 1966 version much better.
                                                                        I think the 1966 version is awesome in the same way Sleeper is awesome.
                                                                        I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                        • 12clicks
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by crockett
                                                                          I hate to break it to you, but it's you nutters who like to burn books.. It's always the Religious nutters and Nazis..

                                                                          The idiot left keeps saying this but its actually the left that wants to shut down anything they don't agree with.
                                                                          I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                          • Evil Chris
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                                                                            • Dec 2001
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                            I think the 1966 version is awesome in the same way Sleeper is awesome.
                                                                            Never saw it. Worth a watch?
                                                                            I can't name one Woody Allen movie I've seen.


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                                                                            • robwod
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by Evil Chris
                                                                              Never saw it. Worth a watch?
                                                                              I can't name one Woody Allen movie I've seen.
                                                                              You've probably seen this Woody Allen film at some point, "Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Sex (But Were Afraid to Ask)"... comedy from 1972. Was constantly played through the 70's and 80's on TV''s across Canada later at night.
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                                                                              • 2MuchMark
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by Evil Chris
                                                                                Which one do you think looks like something that might really happen?

                                                                                This is one of my favourite movie/book genres. Thoughts?

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                                                                                • crockett
                                                                                  in a van by the river
                                                                                  • May 2003
                                                                                  • 76818

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                                  The idiot left keeps saying this but its actually the left that wants to shut down anything they don't agree with.



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                                                                                  • Jel
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    none of them, is my boring as fuck reply

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                                                                                    • Jel
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by StefanG
                                                                                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayn_Rand

                                                                                      And when I hear libetarian, then my understanding of that word today is:
                                                                                      "I am happy when I can make money, no pesky laws disturb me while doing that, I rather not pay taxes, not carry any responsibilities towards anyone not as fortunate as me and I don't give a fuck how you all make it as long as I do well."
                                                                                      Then you don't understand it maybe that just needs re-labelling to 'alt-libertarian', unless we can now take the extreme left positions and call those 'liberal'

                                                                                      disclaimer I'm 'soft' libertarian I guess, with a dash of Classic Liberal. Much like all political parties, I agree with some positions, disagree with others, and certain aspects stop me from ever actually voting for any of them.

                                                                                      'Curb gov't overreach' is the main reason if I had a gun to my head I'd vote libertarian above any of the others.

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                                                                                      • MatureKing
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                                                                                        #44
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                                                                                        • MaDalton
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by Jel
                                                                                          Then you don't understand it maybe that just needs re-labelling to 'alt-libertarian', unless we can now take the extreme left positions and call those 'liberal'
                                                                                          dude, this is exactly what has happened in the US - this is what happens on here every day.

                                                                                          mention you are a liberal person and half of the Americans want to shoot you cause to them you are a Communist
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                                                                                          • Jel
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by StefanG
                                                                                            dude, this is exactly what has happened in the US - this is what happens on here every day.

                                                                                            mention you are a liberal person and half of the Americans want to shoot you cause to them you are a Communist
                                                                                            Well, Classic Liberalism is far different than what liberalism means in the US today. But.. yeah, and mention you have conservative outlooks on any given subject, and half of the americans want you dead because you are a 'nazi'.

                                                                                            I say 'half', but ofc it's just the vocal extreme idiots on either side, like crockett or that other tool optics or whatever the handle is here as examples from both extremes, and the outliers than the media love to splash all over the news because 80% of everyone else says 'w t f.. so *thats* what the 'other side' is like'.

                                                                                            As for that wikipedia article.. that's basically presenting people with opposing viewpoints (and not even mentioning the viewpoints, or the opposing ones), as some sort of factual info on the person themselves.

                                                                                            fact: hitler ordered millions of jews killed

                                                                                            opinion on some website: many who agreed with hitler said he had the right idea.

                                                                                            Weeelll.. it's true that those who shared his ideas, shared his ideas, but to read just that opinion gives zero info on who or what he was.

                                                                                            I can go to multiple sites if I so wished, and read about those who disagree with obama, or bernie sanders, or any other person that the left warm to, saying 'person x disagreed with many of person y's views and policies blahblahthismeansjackshit'.

                                                                                            Then I can post somewhere that 'when I hear 'democrats' my understanding is that they want to spend trillions they don't have on illegal immigrants and druggies and scroungers as long as those trillions are taken from the big bad corporations who pay NO tax, and they want to spend it all on safe spaces so they don't hear words that may injure them, and also some other disingenuous stuff here'.

                                                                                            Whereas if I actually looked, I'd find that there were plenty of things I agree with them on, even though there are plenty I don't - instead of listening to media sound bites and trying to blast everyone on the right or left, no matter how moderate, and contributing to the divide

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                                                                                            • 12clicks
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by Evil Chris
                                                                                              Never saw it. Worth a watch?
                                                                                              I can't name one Woody Allen movie I've seen.
                                                                                              I can't recommend it unless you're as high as a kite.
                                                                                              I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                              • 12clicks
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by StefanG
                                                                                                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayn_Rand

                                                                                                And when I hear libetarian, then my understanding of that word today is:
                                                                                                "I am happy when I can make money, no pesky laws disturb me while doing that, I rather not pay taxes, not carry any responsibilities towards anyone not as fortunate as me and I don't give a fuck how you all make it as long as I do well."
                                                                                                then your understanding is flawed.
                                                                                                I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                                • MaDalton
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                                                  then your understanding is flawed.
                                                                                                  so is yours on liberals
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                                                                                                  • MaDalton
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by Jel
                                                                                                    Well, Classic Liberalism is far different than what liberalism means in the US today. But.. yeah, and mention you have conservative outlooks on any given subject, and half of the americans want you dead because you are a 'nazi'.

                                                                                                    I say 'half', but ofc it's just the vocal extreme idiots on either side, like crockett or that other tool optics or whatever the handle is here as examples from both extremes, and the outliers than the media love to splash all over the news because 80% of everyone else says 'w t f.. so *thats* what the 'other side' is like'.

                                                                                                    As for that wikipedia article.. that's basically presenting people with opposing viewpoints (and not even mentioning the viewpoints, or the opposing ones), as some sort of factual info on the person themselves.

                                                                                                    fact: hitler ordered millions of jews killed

                                                                                                    opinion on some website: many who agreed with hitler said he had the right idea.

                                                                                                    Weeelll.. it's true that those who shared his ideas, shared his ideas, but to read just that opinion gives zero info on who or what he was.

                                                                                                    I can go to multiple sites if I so wished, and read about those who disagree with obama, or bernie sanders, or any other person that the left warm to, saying 'person x disagreed with many of person y's views and policies blahblahthismeansjackshit'.

                                                                                                    Then I can post somewhere that 'when I hear 'democrats' my understanding is that they want to spend trillions they don't have on illegal immigrants and druggies and scroungers as long as those trillions are taken from the big bad corporations who pay NO tax, and they want to spend it all on safe spaces so they don't hear words that may injure them, and also some other disingenuous stuff here'.

                                                                                                    Whereas if I actually looked, I'd find that there were plenty of things I agree with them on, even though there are plenty I don't - instead of listening to media sound bites and trying to blast everyone on the right or left, no matter how moderate, and contributing to the divide
                                                                                                    one thing is sure - and that is not limited to either side of the political spectrum - is that media has become far too biased.

                                                                                                    we wouldn't have this kind of divide if not both sides had their outlets and those only riding certain talking points that suit their agenda.

                                                                                                    if then someone tends to listen/read/watch a single source of news only, we end up where we are now.
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