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08-23-2019, 01:27 AM

The value of Thommy's side is shown here.

"free" brings simply more people - and they do not come with the Intension to buy anything. this is why professional marketers are in charge at this point.

So great professional marketers only make 1-30,000 to 1-50,000 viewers buy something and he thinks it proves him right.

That only applied to TV in the pre streaming days. Even today you can't give away free what you're advertising. Cars aren't free to advertise cars, beer isn't free to advertise beer, little samples are but all you can consume isn't.

Maybe when mainstream starts advertising on porn sites the revenue will by high enough to pay to create content, run the company and pay any price for BW. I'm not so sure because the ratios on convincing someone who is jerking off to buy a car, beer, etc are pretty low if you've only got him for 30 minutes with his dick in his hand. No matter how good the professional marketers are.

Magazines didn't put adverts in the middle of the porn sets for the same reason. A man with a dick in his hand isn't the reading ads.

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08-23-2019, 02:38 AM

Originally posted by Paul Markham

The value of Thommy's side is shown here.

So great professional marketers only make 1-30,000 to 1-50,000 viewers buy something and he thinks it proves him right.

That only applied to TV in the pre streaming days. Even today you can't give away free what you're advertising. Cars aren't free to advertise cars, beer isn't free to advertise beer, little samples are but all you can consume isn't.

Maybe when mainstream starts advertising on porn sites the revenue will by high enough to pay to create content, run the company and pay any price for BW. I'm not so sure because the ratios on convincing someone who is jerking off to buy a car, beer, etc are pretty low if you've only got him for 30 minutes with his dick in his hand. No matter how good the professional marketers are.

Magazines didn't put adverts in the middle of the porn sets for the same reason. A man with a dick in his hand isn't the reading ads.

paul please learn first the difference between

1. visitors
2. page views
3. content views incomplete
4. content views complete
5. ad-impressions
6. ad clicks on fake ads
7. ad clicks on serious ads

if you got at least this few basics sorted out come back and start again.

for now you do not even know what you are talking about as you do not understand the anything about internet marketing. you do not even understand the numbers you are talking about.

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08-23-2019, 02:50 AM

Originally posted by Paul Markham

I don't need to make money, I'm retired and can afford to do this.

i understand - with £168.60 pension per week there is not much you can do cheaper as to troll a forum and tell everybody that you was the one that made it in the good times.

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08-23-2019, 05:18 AM

well I seriously dont know what the argument and long discussion is about.
its like two sides that dont want to understand each other.
To resume:
Are porn paysites sales down comparing to what they were years, decades ago? yes.
are signup ratios to paysites also down? yes.
does it have something with "free porn" and tubes? yes.

can you make money if you have traffic? yes.
do tubes have lots of traffic? yes.

end of discussion...
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08-23-2019, 05:25 AM

Originally posted by klinton

well I seriously dont know what the argument and long discussion is about.
its like two sides that dont want to understand each other.
To resume:
Are porn paysites sales down comparing to what they were years, decades ago? yes.
are signup ratios to paysites also down? yes.
does it have something with "free porn" and tubes? yes.

can you make money if you have traffic? yes.
do tubes have lots of traffic? yes.

end of discussion...

Paul's threads are pretty much always like those trick questions there are multiple answers to, where group a tells group b that they are 100% wrong, group b does the same to group C who arrived at a different but factually correct answer, and so on.

Slight difference being paul is usually answering a different question than he asked, or responding to things that weren't put forward by others, or simply taking a quote out of context and explaining in multiple paragraphs where everyone else who answered correctly went wrong. By the end it's just a giant clusterfuck of different subject matters and crossed wires where most people leave the others to it.
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08-23-2019, 07:05 AM

Originally posted by Jel

Paul's threads are pretty much always like those trick questions there are multiple answers to, where group a tells group b that they are 100% wrong, group b does the same to group C who arrived at a different but factually correct answer, and so on.

Slight difference being paul is usually answering a different question than he asked, or responding to things that weren't put forward by others, or simply taking a quote out of context and explaining in multiple paragraphs where everyone else who answered correctly went wrong. By the end it's just a giant clusterfuck of different subject matters and crossed wires where most people leave the others to it.

his problem is that he compares apples with santa clause.

he talks about numbers that he does not understand and that are completely out of context.

he missmatch views, visitors, unique visitors and content views and throws numbers around where he do not even know what they represent.

it is impossible to explain a bloody amateur with the logic of a lemming what is going on in this market - he does not even understand the language of this market.

i know i should not answer anymore - actually nobody should answer him anymore - maybe he gives up to write bullshit, when he find out that really NOBODY takes him serious. but i have a bullshit allergy and always when i read bullshit my fingers start to type.

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08-23-2019, 11:01 AM

I thought we were answering this question? No idea how this derailed into a "blame the tubes" thread in fucking 2019...

So how long and how would one make the minimum wage in Adult today. Starting at nothing but the skills it took in 2000 to 2009 to make a living and with zero resources but you can invest minimum wage a month.

Blogging, Tubes, Social Media, SEO, etc. Only porn so don't include mainstream dating. That leaves you with porn videos, images, blogs, webcams both appearing and/or promoting.

Edit: I just reread this and noticed "nothing but the skills it took in 2000-2009"
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08-23-2019, 11:04 AM

Originally posted by fuzebox

I thought we were answering this question? No idea how this derailed into a "blame the tubes" thread in fucking 2019...

Edit: I just reread this and noticed "nothing but the skills it took in 2000-2009"

It's been "I blame the tubes for why I can't make any money" for the last 10-15 years.

Why should today be any different? :-)

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08-23-2019, 11:58 PM

Originally posted by klinton

well I seriously dont know what the argument and long discussion is about.
its like two sides that dont want to understand each other.
To resume:
Are porn paysites sales down comparing to what they were years, decades ago? yes.
are signup ratios to paysites also down? yes.
does it have something with "free porn" and tubes? yes.

can you make money if you have traffic? yes.
do tubes have lots of traffic? yes.

end of discussion...

That wasn't what the discussion was about.

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08-24-2019, 12:04 AM

Originally posted by Jel

Paul's threads are pretty much always like those trick questions there are multiple answers to, where group a tells group b that they are 100% wrong, group b does the same to group C who arrived at a different but factually correct answer, and so on.

Slight difference being paul is usually answering a different question than he asked, or responding to things that weren't put forward by others, or simply taking a quote out of context and explaining in multiple paragraphs where everyone else who answered correctly went wrong. By the end it's just a giant clusterfuck of different subject matters and crossed wires where most people leave the others to it.

The question I asked is in the thread title. It should shed light and be helpful to any one starting out or newish in pushing porn. Thommy derailed it with his continual rant we make more money today from advertising on porn sites than ever before. I wouldn't let him get away with that stupidity.

Then you chimed in with your 2 penneth.

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08-24-2019, 12:13 AM

Originally posted by fuzebox

I thought we were answering this question? No idea how this derailed into a "blame the tubes" thread in fucking 2019...

Edit: I just reread this and noticed "nothing but the skills it took in 2000-2009"

Blame Thommy for that.

With some help from me.

How long and how do you make minimum wage in adult today?

So far we've only had one reply from anyone who started recently and he's pretty quiet about how he did it. Generally speaking I think it's possible to this today with a lot of hard work because it's a flooded small pool populated with some very big fish.

Big tubes have to soak up at least 80% of the porn traffic, leaving the 20% to people who have been in the game for a very long time. But with hard work I think it's doable. But the lack of response shows that the people doing it aren't on GFY, or not sharing any advice.

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08-24-2019, 12:19 AM

Originally posted by Paul Markham

Thommy derailed it with his continual rant we make more money today from advertising on porn sites than ever before. I wouldn't let him get away with that stupidity.

means you do not want to accept the truth right?

alone exoclick pays near to 100 million every year to their publishers.

tell me the name of the member program that EVER was even in the near to that?

in your "good old times" the whole porn-industry was not bigger than that.

and here i am talking about ONE ad-network.
now add all the other really big ones to that and than add the smaller ones like us and than add those thousands of offer networks where a webmaster can find 100 thousand of offers to promote directly. if you are done with that add the revenue of all this big amateursites and camsites that are mostly get their traffic from affiliate webmasters and if you not wake up yet - go and fuck yourself !

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08-24-2019, 11:52 PM

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You're wasting your time Thommy. Which is good.

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08-25-2019, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by Paul Markham

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You're wasting your time Thommy. Which is good.

don´t worry - i do not write to you.
i just want to prevent that you infect someone with your dumbness

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08-25-2019, 12:45 PM

Originally posted by thommy

means you do not want to accept the truth right?

alone exoclick pays near to 100 million every year to their publishers.

tell me the name of the member program that EVER was even in the near to that?

in your "good old times" the whole porn-industry was not bigger than that.

and here i am talking about ONE ad-network.
now add all the other really big ones to that and than add the smaller ones like us and than add those thousands of offer networks where a webmaster can find 100 thousand of offers to promote directly. if you are done with that add the revenue of all this big amateursites and camsites that are mostly get their traffic from affiliate webmasters and if you not wake up yet - go and fuck yourself !

Keep in mind how programs usually had 50/50 share while ad networks usually have 80/20 share in terms of commission.
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