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  • Paul Markham
    Too old to care
    • Jun 2001
    • 52942
    #196
    Originally posted by fuzebox
    A lot of people have this obsession with the thing they did in 2004 that made them money, as if they're entitled to make a living fifteen years later spending thirty minutes a day putting together a thumbnail gallery and submitting it for free to a bunch of TGPs.

    Instead of complaining about how hard it is now, everyone should be grateful they had it so easy for so long
    In 2004 we were spending $1,000s of a week shooting content. Don't think the business is just what you do.



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      • Paul Markham
        Too old to care
        • Jun 2001
        • 52942
        #197
        Originally posted by The Porn Nerd
        It's because paysites are what I do and know best. Besides, paysites are at the foundation of what the tubes do and how they profit. Sure there are true "amateurs" uploading for the kink of it but when someone here says "content" they mean "paysites" (or DVDs I suppose).

        I agree and know "adult" is much, much bigger than paysites. Sex toys alone are probably bigger these days.
        Porn industry was always built on a basis of recorded porn, either images or video or both. It's the mainstay of the industry. That's the same in 1994, 2004 and today. The difference is today we give it away in huge amounts instead of selling it. 500,000 per day watching free tube videos isn't a small part of the business. Imagine selling to an audience that large at the ratios we used to enjoy.



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          • Struggle4Bucks
            Sieg Hi!
            • May 2011
            • 3615
            #198
            Paul’s ignore list is getting longer. Unfortunately for him its all free listings. He could try to sell the top 15 spots on his ignore list.

            Anyway....Soon he will be talking to himself again.
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              • thommy
                Confirmed User
                • Jun 2003
                • 5469
                #199
                Originally posted by Struggle4Bucks
                Soon he will be talking to himself again.
                than he will finally have someone who agrees with him.

                I really have never seen a bigger ignorant - but if it makes him happy - who gives a flying fuck what Paul thinks?
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                  • The Porn Nerd
                    Living The Dream
                    • Jun 2009
                    • 19784
                    #200
                    Originally posted by thommy
                    that was actually not the original tube-idea.
                    but it came as it came.

                    i am pretty sure that a tube with 10 new free videos from real amateurs each day instead 1000 updates that nobody will ever see, would still do better as any paysite.

                    "free" brings simply more people - and they do not come with the Intension to buy anything. this is why professional marketers are in charge at this point.

                    tell me what is complicated to optimize a doorway page for the key brazzers or mydirty hobby or a models name and if a users comes through a search enginge with this key buys ?

                    every grandmother can do that - and every grandmother will get a little portion of the 50.000 that are searching it every day, because 10.000 competitors do the same.

                    the tubes are receiving a few 100 million of users every day - not a few 100 million buyers but within this number are a few million potential buyers for ANY existing product.

                    you will not really want to tell me that this market is equal or smaller than selling porn.
                    Selling porn is a tiny fraction compared to ads. Anyone with a brain will admit and realize this point.

                    It's always better to be the TV Network than the hit TV show, or the Hollywood agent with 50 clients taking 20% from each vs. the actor making $20 million per picture.
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                      • thommy
                        Confirmed User
                        • Jun 2003
                        • 5469
                        #201
                        Originally posted by The Porn Nerd
                        Selling porn is a tiny fraction compared to ads. Anyone with a brain will admit and realize this point.

                        It's always better to be the TV Network than the hit TV show, or the Hollywood agent with 50 clients taking 20% from each vs. the actor making $20 million per picture.
                        correct - but my point was that there WOULD be still MORE for pornsites within that big market place if they would simply have the options for selling it the way mediabuyers need it. possibly that 1% instead on 0,01% of bought ads would point to pornsites and make some sales and that would be HUGE money.
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                          • fuzebox
                            making it rain
                            • Oct 2003
                            • 22351
                            #202
                            Originally posted by Paul Markham
                            Don't think the business is just what you do.
                            Words to live by Paul

                            Adult content is a commodity.

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                              • Paul Markham
                                Too old to care
                                • Jun 2001
                                • 52942
                                #203
                                Originally posted by The Porn Nerd
                                Selling porn is a tiny fraction compared to ads. Anyone with a brain will admit and realize this point.

                                It's always better to be the TV Network than the hit TV show, or the Hollywood agent with 50 clients taking 20% from each vs. the actor making $20 million per picture.
                                Not everyone can be the TV network, more people have to be the TV show to make the network possible. Same with an agent.

                                The debate is over does selling porn makes more money than advertising on free porn sites. If it did PH wouldn't sell an ad free option, they would make more money keeping people on the free version. Apps that are downloaded for free, wouldn't have a paid ad free option.

                                Will the 500,000 viewers pay for porn? No and no one is expecting them to. Will they pay for gas, cigarettes, alcohol, cars, etc? Yes, but none of those advertise on porn sites despite how genius the professional marketers are the surfer is always in control. If that's all it took, ratios would be higher than they are and prices as well.

                                Will they pay for porn? You can't claim only free porn will get so many, then claim it's the power of professional marketers to make them buy what's given away for free.



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                                  • Paul Markham
                                    Too old to care
                                    • Jun 2001
                                    • 52942
                                    #204
                                    Originally posted by fuzebox
                                    Words to live by Paul

                                    Adult content is a commodity.
                                    Precisely. A commodity that would make more money if it were sold and not given away for free.



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                                      • Paul Markham
                                        Too old to care
                                        • Jun 2001
                                        • 52942
                                        #205
                                        Today the cost of BW and hosting makes it possible to give away recorded porn to attract billions of viewers, to sell to a tiny fraction. No matter how good the professional marketers claim to be.

                                        If we make more money from advertising, we would have been giving porn away before BW dropped. Who cares about the cost of BW, if advertising is more profitable!!!!



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                                          • Sly
                                            Let's do some business!
                                            • Sep 2004
                                            • 31375
                                            #206
                                            How much money have you guys made so far arguing about whether or not money can be made?
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                                              • PR_Glen
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Oct 2006
                                                • 9058
                                                #207
                                                Originally posted by fuzebox
                                                I looked around, saw what was making money, and copied it.
                                                there is probably 2 million different books on business and marketing out there right now and you pretty much summed them all up with this great sentence right there.. haha
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                                                  • Struggle4Bucks
                                                    Sieg Hi!
                                                    • May 2011
                                                    • 3615
                                                    #208
                                                    Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                    The debate is over...
                                                    Paul puts all other debaters on his ignore list and then calls it: “the debate is over”.

                                                    Nah nah na naaaaah nah

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                                                      • Paul Markham
                                                        Too old to care
                                                        • Jun 2001
                                                        • 52942
                                                        #209
                                                        Originally posted by Sly
                                                        How much money have you guys made so far arguing about whether or not money can be made?
                                                        I don't need to make money, I'm retired and can afford to do this.



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                                                          • Paul Markham
                                                            Too old to care
                                                            • Jun 2001
                                                            • 52942
                                                            #210
                                                            Originally posted by PR_Glen
                                                            there is probably 2 million different books on business and marketing out there right now and you pretty much summed them all up with this great sentence right there.. haha
                                                            So why aren't all the copycat tubes making money?

                                                            Before then it was the copycat paysites that failed.

                                                            To be a success you have to find 100,000 videos for a good tube. You have to have the skills set to find good models, film them properly, fund the production, then launch a site.

                                                            Of course it does depend what is a persons idea of making money.



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