How long and how do you make minimum wage in adult today?

I'm sorry but are you saying there are advertisers selling non-porn products on porn sites? Can you post some examples of washing machines and Netflix ads on porn sites?

Because all I ever see on Pornhub, XHamster and the like are cam ads, dick pill ads, dating ads and the rare paysite ad. Maybe a 3D porn game thrown in there. I do NOT see washing machines and Netflix ads.

Or are you saying companies post the above ads, grab the emails, then send out Netflix ads to the end users? Intra-desting!

read again what i wrote - i think I described it understandable.

1. what is mainly promoted on tubes are 95% offers that have nothing to do with porn
membersites. it is mainly dating and enlargement stuff but also casinos, 3D games,
cams, phone sex, software (i.e virusprotection, cleaners, VPN etc) but also a lot of
other stuff that has nothing to do with porn. in our network people sell car tires, e-
books, holiday-offers and we have even real estate from time to time...etc..etc...
we also sell traffic to so called free dating sites where people have to subscribe but
pay nothing as this free membersites again monetizing it with ads.

2. a big part of this advertisers are not simply sending the users to a shop-page but
have their own signup form or shopping card to get the data of the user.
with this emailadress or mobile number they do have access to this users and sell
them later whatever they want to sell (the washing machine and netflix was just an
example as this can be everything)

with this concept of marketing the value of a buyer or subscriber becomes x-times higher
as it would be when you just sell the product. with this higher value the price for traffic becomes higher and more profitable for the ones selling it.

they do not have to have the skills of a mediabuyer
they do not have the risk that the campaign doe not work
they do not have the risk that they don´t get paid
the technology will sell the traffic always to the highest bidder

that´s why 90% of the adult traffic goes into networks where a caravans of possible buyers are already waiting to buy it before the competitor gets them.

it is a simple competition game where only the best and most profitable will be the winners.

and again: there would be some traffic even for the porn membersites. I was looking around for years to find options for some smaller geos where i do not have buyers but I never found even one that matches this needs.

Ofc, my point was the bolded part below, and most gave up and fucked off because the money wasn't as easy as it was before:

open secret: google panda & penguin fucked me up MASSIVELY, and in 2012 or so (I'm fuzzy on the exact dates) I was on my arse, and my company then went on to become bankrupt. Panda/penguin was very closely followed by the culmination of my alcoholism, and subsequent split then divorce from my partner of 16 years. I'd spunked all my earnings because I'm an everything at 150mph idiot lol, so was in a right mess. Everyone offline was telling me to go and get 'a real job'. I said fuck that, there are hundreds of millions of surfers, tried different things, had nickatilynx & his brother go the extra mile for me which led indirectly to other stuff, read what JT posted pretty much everywhere, and here we are (it took about 2 - 3 years to get back on my feet).

I'll never be on thommy's level, nor the many of the guys here who either post or lurk - I've always known I'm a small fish, but as porn nerd said in this thread, it's what you want that 'stops' you doing anything, not external forces. Whining about those is pure bollocks, and maybe it has something to do with my past jobs as an engineer (fruit machines & associated, then tv aerials/satellite dishes), but when you 'can't' fix a machine and the guy is losing money, or you 'can't' fix the old ladies tv aerial or satellite dish and she is going to go all xmas with no TV, then you find a way to fucking fix it, even if it takes you 12 hours. What you don't do is piss and moan about the obstacles like a 12 year old girl.

The amount of solid gold I've seen posted here over the years that you and like-minded people dismiss or try to argue about is fascinating to me, instead of being teachable and using things to your collective advantage, shit gets spouted as 'fact' because the understanding isn't there. I do actually get that you are on some life crusade to call out what you THINK is bullshit, but instead of asking questions and learning, you go all in with non-knowledge and look stupid to anyone who actually is knowledgeable on whatever the subject is, and far from 'helping newbies' as you so often claim, you do them a great disservice because those same newbies have no idea you're a miserable old fuck cursed with no sense that you might have something to learn, ever.

I DID read what you wrote and no it was not understandable. This is often the case with your longer posts. Maybe it's a language thing...

But I do NOT see real estate offers or car tire ads being advertised on the tubes. Maybe in the German-speaking market but not on PH, XHamster et al.

And of course gathering emails or mobile phone data is a great way to market via email campaigns. Just ask Rochard and YNOT Mail. But the initial ad price is based on how the product being advertised is sold, not the future potential of data mining and emails.

So companies that have figured out how to squeeze 10% from spending 100K on dick pill ads are buying all the traffic, waiting in line for it, etc? Got it. But as you said, membersites (paysites) are not a part of this equation. The ones that DO advertise are owned by the tubes themselves.

I, for one, am not interested in pushing dick pills, casinos or virus protection ads. But for those who do dig that kind of thing, mozeltov.

that you do not see it does not mean it is not there.
ad technology today works on much finer geo-targeting than just country or language.

and this is what you do not understand as it i a very other kind of marketing.

i have an advertiser since many years that promotes a free casino with us.
users get every day 1000 chips and can spend them or win more free chips.
their business model is that they sell chips to those that do not want to wait 1 day
and the biz is HUGE.

but what was even more astonishing is that around 30% of the signups come from women and 60% of the sales come from women.

so now imagine what you can do already with the knowledge that the user is a women
and willing to pay for play coins.
you do not even need data mining like facebook and google - you can already imagine a lot of possible products such a user might be interested on.

not all of them do it this way yet - but every day the number of this marketers becomes bigger and with it their advertising budget.

they are not part because they work like in the 90s and never changed anything.

and that the still working membersites are working BECAUSE they bought the tubes shows you already that I am correct. but the buying power that get fished on the tubes goes possibly to 3-4% into their paysites (what is still huge when you see it from the total number) 96-97% of the users there are generating OTHER revenues for other products but it is the main income for this tubes.

but you would also not exist without sites that advertise your products (on THEIR risk)
they just become less and less because publishers always go the easier and more profitable way.

as i said in this thread earlier: I KNOW that one big paysite program is already working on the problem and I am sure that they will make A LOT of money when they are done with that.

self reflection is one of the rarest talents on earth - it will help you getting wherever you want.

i think there is no other biz with less people that have this talent.
whenever you meet a knocked out adult bizzer he will give you a list of people that are responsable - but you will not find himself on the list.

refreshing to read that you do not belong to this group.

Actually I (and other smart paysite owners) would exist without these sites. You are forgetting social media, Google, Bing, word of mouth, even clever YouTube channels and Facebook groups, etc.

There are many ways to skin a cat.

It will be interesting to see how this mysterious big paysite you mention handles this "problem" - not sure what you mean by that - as when it comes down to it, all paysites are selling pictures and videos. Paysites have tried 3D, 4K, virtual reality, etc but the "product" is still the same: people doing sexy things. None of these "innovations" brought back the good ol' days. I don't see much of a revolution coming in regards to paysites but we'll see I guess.

it is not a "revolution" just adapt marketing options that are available since 12 years and what will bring them a huge number of professional sales people who know how to buy and convert traffic.

and of course there will be still other options to promote your content - i did not doubt it. i just talk about the big part of the total revenue stream of sites that are offering porn for ads.

i lik trees...

Paysites are just one small part of the adult industry. Why do you keep circling back to that?

So how many companies paid you $3,000 for a solo girl image set as a norm?




No you didn't. So don't lie. I know where my old employees worked and you didn't hire them.

Also you know I got a bad case of cancer and that was after Eva's near fatal car crash. We then decided that I would retire and Eva took a job as transport manager at a trucking company. After two years looking after me. You have to know that so stop lying.

Thommy won't prove anything because he can't. Advertising revenue in free TV is big enough to fund production of TV programs and shows. But the fragmentation of the market today has led to dumbing down and the rise of quality TV on subscription models like Netflix.

Tubes can no way afford to buy content, so his entire philosophy collapses there.

But he'll come back with a wall of text telling you that if cars were free everyone would have one.

The size of a market isn't dictated by the number of suppliers. It's dictated by the money people spend.


Was thinking the size of a market dictated by the number of suppliers one of those solid gold moments?

Is 10% profit a gross or net figure? This is important in business because it indicates real profitability. 10% net profit is a little low unless turn over is in the millions, $100k per million does that include all costs, re-investment, good and bad times, etc? Still pretty low for that turn over.

If you have to buy "dickpills, casinos or virus protection" build a site, hosting, pay taxes, rent, staff, it sucks.

But if there is no buying traffic involved the return is good, is it as good as selling the porn?

However if it wasn't Mindgeek giving it away there are others ready to give it away. So without government help we're fucked.

you come back with a wall of bullshit and the only thing you can approve is that you did not learn how to make money as soon as the professionals showed up.

so what do you want to teach us?
how to make NO MONEY ?

maybe you should just write a book about life at the end of the food chain. in it you can explain to people that moaning is much easier than thinking along.

i'm pretty sure that some sort of human would be grateful if you could show them strategies how to make other people guilty for their own stupidity.