How long and how do you make minimum wage in adult today?

lol behave... since when has anything the gov't touched when it comes to porn and/or sex turned out for the better?

Read up on the backpage case recently?

Heard of 2257?

Forgot about the raids you had to endure?

Nothing killed offline porn or online porn or paysites. The tubes just made them make less money.

The online porn business has never been able to hire the best people because offline people paid more. That also goes for selling their product to online, online couldn't pay the money offline wanted. Because it would effect their sales to porn shops. No one sells for less money to do someone a favour.

Even compared to sites with 100s or even 1,000s of videos tubes are better for accessing porn than paying for it.

I was sure you announced you were moving to Portugal. Still interesting that you only have your partner producing content.

Magazines are all about advertising, DVDs are about the product. The ads in most soft porn mags were sold mostly to porn companies, because mainstream wouldn't advertise in porn mags. Hardcore porn mags rarely carried adverts.

The paysite model isn't dead, it's just shrunk and harder because tubes give it away for free and a better option. The problem for most is investing the money in enough and good content to make the site profitable. 2005 it was much easier than today because there were no tubes giving it away for free.

I was just responding to your post where you said the business model is a bad one, or dying, or dead, or whatever you said. LOL I was just pointing out that paysites are NOT dead. So we agree.

But Jel (as is often the case I might add) has crystalized the issue nicely:

ALL forms of 'mass media' these days are based on ad revenue (except feature films). TV, radio, the Internet (mainstream sites or porn) - it's all the same ad business model. Which is fine. But the product being sold, either given away or bait-and-switch, is porn. Just like the TV show itself is the "product" while the television STATION is the "ad network". Again, Jel put it best so sorry for lamely repeating what he wrote so well.

Thing to remember also is the adult biz is JAM PACKED with people who want to make a quick buck. So to shoot content with a recoup date of 2 years vs. 3 months is too daunting for them. They are like day traders vs. long term investors. Over time, the long term investor wins because it's more profitable, he is in it longer and he can ride out those 'bad days' whereas day traders have a few bad weeks and they are out of biz.

So it all depends on your Goals and what kind of life/lifestyle you want to have, that's all. No real arguments here. LOL

No, they made SOME small operations less money because those small operations didn't adapt, and who thought they could keep the same bottom line without putting in the work needed to adapt (ie me, circa 2010).

I made great money before the tubes came along, but I was doing an absolute maximum of 4 hours a day, and that was a looooooong day for me. An hour or less was my usual working day. These days I put in 8 - 14 hour days but make a lot more than I did in 2006/7/8/9 and that is because I adapted to 'life after tubes'. 2010 - 2013 or so I couldn't see the wood for the trees and was a 'click snob'.. I wanted 300 SE clicks to my site as opposed to 300,000 views of a video. I was a fucking idiot

Very valid point, and one I often forget

that might make sense when you talk about a personal point of view.
but i think that the discussion here is around a business.

a business is ALWAYS targeting a market size.
so let´s see this as a cake.

if there are too many hungry for this cake it will be shared in smaller and smaller pieces.
if you are personally ok with this piece - fine - but it does not touch the business part where might be some people more hungry.

to feed this people you can

a. get rid of the competitors and share the cake with less or
b. make the cake bigger

as porn have already a limited market size and it is a luxury good what nobody really needs to live you can only have an eye on the other budgets a visitor might have.
and this is what actually happens.
the tubes are making MUCH more money with selling other things as with selling porn.

smart media buyers do not even see the value of their advertising in what they sold after the click. they see the value in the information they got and the option to contact the user later again.

there ARE already many buyers out there willing to pay 100 or even over 100% of what they can make with the product sale because they have very other longterm goals.

this is what makes the cake bigger because this buyers do not target a little fraction of a users budget anymore - they are targeting the complete wallet.

porn in just one option in that mix - but later in can be possibly a new washing machine or the next holiday trip it CAN be a porn DVD but also the next hollywood blockbuster or a netflix membership.
so the market that is and was attracting users WITH porn is much bigger and can either pay more people or more money to the elite of them.

not sure what is interesting about that

Your posts are hilarious as usual, really.

I will spell it out for you but I am pretty sure you will either not understand or ignore:

- Offline died because they thought they could dry out online by not selling to them. If they would have cooperated they would have made a lot more money from licensing than they did later when they were bankrupt and selling for 50 bucks per movie

- Online today has far better producers than offline ever had - maybe aside from real cinematic movies like French Satisfaction
But 99% of the old offline porn that you seem to consider the glory times of this industry is crap from todays point of view.

AGREE. It's liars like Thommy who claim I said that.




Companies like Netflix, HBO, Amazon, etc would disagree with you. The new growing market is in paid TV.

Could you have made better money if you had put in 8-14 hours a day, before Tubes forced you to?

Getting 300,000 depends on the quality of your porn video, as you hide these site or sites we can only guess.

Offline isn't dead. It's a lot smaller but still there. They weren't interested in selling to online porn for the money online was offering. Offering 10% of the money online was paying was of no interest. Who in online porn will pay $3,000 for a year's licence for an image set? If they had offered more than offline was worth they would have sold. They're businessmen who sell to the highest payer. The online market was way to fragmented for any site to afford that.

Offline had far better producers than online had because they paid more. Or are you saying online producers were better and took less money for their work?

The glory days were the time when online and offline were both strong. So around 2000 to 2004.

You are now talking from a point of ignorance. It'snot funny.

It indicates the size of your production. We employed 4 shooters.

yes, Paul, you are right with absolutely everything you say. $3000 is the magic number and we all bow to your genius.


yeah, I remember hiring one or two of them after you shut down your business cause you didn't want to invest in an HD camera. Because in SD everything looks better.

PS: why did you need 4 shooters when you only shot one of your magic $3000 sets a day? Seems excessive.

PPS: You have no idea about the size of "my" production - not even I do - cause remember: I quit 2 years ago.