How long and how do you make minimum wage in adult today?

I had to reread this 5 times to make sure I was not in the twilight zone.

me too :-) and i found out that I AM in the twilight zone when i talk to paul

maybe someone can teach him to use a calculator - i am unable to teach him a first grader logic

I do both.

Competition is huge in both mainstream and porn.

Advances in software have democratised the content creation business in all areas, videos, music, book publishing, tangible online sales etc.

Unless you have a solid business model, or are very lucky, any online business you go into will be difficult to make money from.

wouldn´t it be funny if you have no competition in a biz where a lot of money is made?


what paul assumes is that the smart ones with a lot of money to invest will let the dumb ones eat the cake. this will never happen when there is money in a market.

he also does not know what "mainstream" means - I get more than 50% of my revenues from advertisers that are mainstream advertisers.

sure they can buy even better traffic on mainstream sites with 100 users per day. but they will pay for a click 1 dollar or even more (depend on the niche).
even when this traffic would convert 1:5 it will not bring them anywhere.
they prefer to buy 1 million clicks for 5 cent and convert it 1:100 because with so many buyers they will reach a MUCH better market position and MUCH higher payouts.

i wish that everybody in this biz would be such a moron as paul is - i would be a billionaire already with competitors like he is.

Whale in a pond or minnow in an ocean…

I was trying to explain how saturating a market with suppliers and the same or similar product doesn't lead to same expansion of buyers.

At first the Internet allowed lots more people to sell product, then the expansion led to a watering down of profits, then to a level where few made more than a nice living. Even with all the big talk here about how well they were doing back in the good days. How many site made enough money to pay decent prices for content?

A handful, then a few who produced it themselves.

Today with Tubes they could never afford to pay low prices for content, because as Thommy points out 0.0005 per user needs 100 million to get a good return. They don't do that.

Because there are too many tubes "saturating a market with suppliers and the same or similar product doesn't lead to same expansion of buyers."

It was one of the first lessons I learned in marketing, 30 odd years ago.

Take a holiday in the real world, where a Tube site don't get 100 million views on a video.

.Over saturation has ruined the porn business.


You sell 1 million hits for 5 cents? What is it bot traffic?

Anyone selling traffic that converts will be charging pro rata for the traffic and the profit on the sale. Because traffic is mostly auctioned to the best bidder. If a site only does 1:5 on 100 hits, for a speed boat. $20 sale is great, for penis pills it sucks.

where did i say that ONE tube shows a video 100 million times ?

the SUM of the tubes doing MUCH more - and THIS is the market.

i don't know how someone who claims to have learned something in marketing comes to the conviction that "the market" is limited to the visitors of ONE site.

your arguments and your arithmetic skills are becoming more and more hair-raising.

the "real wold" in what you want to send me for holidays is something that you have never been and what you will never see.

Back in the day there were more Whales in the ponds. People like Flynt, Hefner, Gold, Sullivan, Raymond, Desmond, Milton, Beate Uhse and loads more. Operating on a country by country basis mostly.

The Internet changed that and at first a few had the chance to make a lot of money by selling to the few countries with the Internet. Then it changed and the over saturation of suppliers wasn't matched by the growth in buyers.

America and Europe were already buying, growth in numbers were coming from countries without the money or ability to buy. The offline buyers had moved online and that source was largely played out.

Then Youporn was created and a huge spanner hit the works. People no longer had to buy their porn fix.

Thommy is convinced that 1 million buying at 0.0005 ($500) each is worth more than 1 million buying at 1-100 at $30 ($300,000). His 100 million was a mistake I'm sure.

paul before you start this boring amateur stuff - get informed what a hit is and what i sell.

the problem is that you have so much no clue of this market makes it impossible to explain you anything.



loooool - give up you make yourself a clown.

how many speed boats do you think are daily sold IN INTERNET and how many penis pills?

btw. this enhancement products have a MUCH MUCH higher per user value than 20 $
usually the advertisers spend for the first sale around 50-60 € - some of them up to 150 JUST for the advertising (In the tier 1 countries) - in countries like indonesia or the philippines or other asian countries it is still around 10-15.

this is already more than the complete lifetimevalue of a user in the good old porn membership times. and as i said - enhancement stuff is not a very big part of the total revenue - they make maybe 7-8% of the total.

and is is indeed correct that click prices in a network like ours are not made from me or from the holy ghost. they are high because people can make good money if they have the right product and know how to advertise and this people do high bids.
porn membersites can not - and the NEVER could because their concept was the webmaster affiliate that takes the risk and most of them did it because they think that they get traffic for free (what is not the case).

but as you see we do not really need them. we can live much better with advertisers that are ABLE to pay good money.

actually this number of 0,0005 per visito earning is a very very low number on a site with a lot of traffic from countries that are hard to monetize.

in tier1 a visitor of a site has a value of aproximately 0,001-0,003 US.
alone in our very small network we are talking here about 8-9 million unique visitors per day.

and now calculate that with the BILLIONS of unique users per day on all those free tubes, blogs, picture sites and even parked porn domains - than you have a small idea of the market size we are talking about.

in your time the complete online porn market per year was around 100 million and there was nothing else sold than that.

the revenue of all porn sites today - no matter if made with advertising or affiliate marketing of ALL products that are sold there NOW is approximately at 5000 million and growing.

they do not have to buy as they get it for free from the producers and give them a share.

and they also have paid areas like pornhub.
but a paul markham would not be an attraction there - they can afford to work with
disney stars like bella thorne

So give us some links to the PORN sites you sell ad space on.



Show us the porn sites that can get such a great return they sell their traffic for 50-60 € - some of them up to 150


So you do sell ad space to the highest bidders.

Is that in the porn industry only and does it make more than selling paysite memberships?

You're constantly trying to justify black is white by including mainstream product advertising.


Everyone knows online advertising is huge in mainstream, but only for tangible products. Products given away for free have suffered.

Now you move the goal posts.

Where did you get those figures from?

Back them up with evidence, include offline porn as well.

And then read up on https://www.google.com/search?biw=13...Ug1CfwQ4dUDCAo

There's no dispute we serve billions today, but at your conversion rates of 0,001-0,003 there's very few sites with a lot of visitors that can convert at that rate. Most certainly not Tube sites where the bulk of the traffic is. Which is why they sell ads for a lower price than TGP sites used to.

You constantly tell us that affiliates have to be better because today it's harder. Adult King tells us the business is more competitive. And a lot more say it's harder to make a living today. So who is buying all this expensive traffic people sell? Not your secret traffic, you can direct us to your competitors traffic, or is that a secret as well?