Freedom of speech just watch what you say....

[MrPopup]

Too bad ICE-T cant drag his ass away from Law & Order to comment on this....

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DJs Suspended for Playing Dixie Chicks
The Associated Press
Tuesday, May 6, 2003; 8:59 AM


COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. - Country station KKCS has suspended two disc jockeys for playing the Dixie Chicks, violating a ban imposed after the group criticized President Bush.

Lead singer Natalie Maines told a British newspaper she was "ashamed that the president of the United States is from Texas."

"We pulled their music two months ago, and it's been a difficult decision because how can you ignore the hottest group in country music," station manager Jerry Grant said.

He said there has been discussion about whether to reinstate the music, but the DJs, Dave Moore and Jeff Singer, became impatient.

"They made it very clear that they support wholeheartedly the president of the United States. They support wholeheartedly the troops, the military. But they also support the right of free speech," Grant said.

The station has received a couple of hundred calls and 75 percent favored playing the music.

Grand said Moore and Singer will be out for a couple of days.

"I gave them an alternative: stop it now and they'll be on suspension, or they can continue playing them and when they come out of the studio they won't have a job."

The station plans to play the group's music again eventually. "Most stations are starting to play them again anyhow a song here, a song there. I just have a problem with the way this was done. We would have put them in anyhow. But we'd like to do it on our terms," he said.

[kenny]

They have a right to say what they want, the guy who owns the radio station has the right not to hear them them play at his station.

[MrPopup]

Originally posted by kenny
They have a right to say what they want, the guy who owns the radio station has the right not to hear them them play at his station.

lol...sure he does.

i guess you dont understand the wider implications?

[Sly_RJ]

Uh...

Boss says "don't play music". You play music. Then you cry because you played the music?

Ok.

[FATPad]

Again, no one's freedoms were infringed upon or taken away.

[Paul Markham]

Freedom of speech in the US is limited to places like here and bars.

You want to get your message out, it has to be approved first.

The Media is owned by the people who put Bush into power and they will not hear a word against him.

[Fletch XXX]

Always worried about the US.

Bottom line is, radio stations are private owned and like any business the boss can have his say.

He say NO DIXIE CHICKS, employees better not play DIXIE CHICKS.

its simple.

[kenny]

Originally posted by MrPopup


lol...sure he does.

i guess you dont understand the wider implications?

If becoming a rock star keep my political opinions to myself, it can only hurt my career.

This isn't the goverment acting it is a guy who owns the radio station. The US didn't pass no anti-dixie chick laws. They fucked themselves over.
I bet more people know who they are now then before anyways.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by charly
Freedom of speech in the US is limited to places like here and bars.

Do you/have you/ ever lived in the US, or is this an educated Czech guess?

hahaha

[kad]

The media controls your thoughts. Just give into them already.

[eroswebmaster]

Originally posted by MrPopup


lol...sure he does.

i guess you dont understand the wider implications?

Actually I do understand the wider implications as a business owner.

If you are in my employee and wish to behave however you want to OUTISIDE the office on your own time, feel free to do so as long as you are not acting as a representitive of my company.

However, if you wish to come to the office or while on company time and push a political agenda...cya...and I don't want any fucking government telling me I don't have the right to get rid of your antagonistic ass.

[FATPad]

Originally posted by charly
Freedom of speech in the US is limited to places like here and bars.

You want to get your message out, it has to be approved first.

The Media is owned by the people who put Bush into power and they will not hear a word against him.

Why? Walmart banning Maxim, and a radio station suspending two employees for not listening to the boss don't have anything to do with people's rights and freedoms being taken away.

[Sly_RJ]

Once again, the media is spinning the story to look like an infringement on Freedom of Speech, when it's far from it.

Boss says "no", you fuckin' better not do it or you'll suffer the consequences. Is this such a hard concept to grasp?

Good fuckin' God. Private companies/organizations can impose any bans/rules they wish, can they not?

[Fletch XXX]

If I owned a radio station I would fire people who played what I didnt like. No suspension, straight up 'get the fuck.'

period.

[MattO]

There are plenty of bands that are screaming out everything they feel like they're little hearts wanna say, and you often hear dissent on the rock stations.
The deal with the Dixie Chicks is they are a band that plays for the Good ol' Boys and middle America. They pissed off their audience, who is a bunch of flag waving yokels. So now they're all upset at who they see as their cousin's kin-folk as talkin' naughty about the beloved president.
If the Dixie Chicks were a rock band or sounded like Rage Against the Machine and played to that crowd, no one would have ever noticed.
It's like when Pat Boone came out wearing the heavy metal outfit and all the X'ians went apeshit and disowned him.

[ADL Colin]

Originally posted by MrPopup


lol...sure he does.

i guess you dont understand the wider implications?

What wider implications? Everyone has always has had this right in the US and it's exercised all the time.

Hell, this stuff has been there right from the beginning. Consider the the Alien and Sedition Acts that became LAW as far back as 1798. A crisis, whether real or imagined, causes protectionist actions and legislation.

What do the Patriot Act, the Alien and Sedition Acts, Lincoln' suspension of habeas corpus, the Sedition and Espionage Acts, the Red Scare, the McCarran Act, McCarthyism, and Japanese internment have in common? Reponse to a crisis.

You'll notice all the time that sometimes 10% of the people will be vocal enough to cause some organization to make a decision that otherwise they would have not. That's a choice the company makes in response to what they feel is a danger. Imagine if he perceives that 10% of this radio audience feels so strongly about this that they would leave. What's his profit margin?Can he afford that? What should he do?

If you own a radio station, you have every right to play or not play an artist for whatever reason you wish including the personal views of the artist. Maybe the guy only wants to play "Patriotic Country". That's his right. What do you want to do? Take away his freedom to do so?

You should worry when the government tries to take that away from you.

[eroswebmaster]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
If I owned a radio station I would fire people who played what I didnt like. No suspension, straight up 'get the fuck.'

period.

Does that mean we gotta stop playing BackStreetBoys?

[MrPopup]

Originally posted by eroswebmaster

However, if you wish to come to the office or while on company time and push a political agenda...cya...and I don't want any fucking government telling me I don't have the right to get rid of your antagonistic ass.

Funny how you feel those working for you should not have minds of their own.

How about the implications of corporations using the threat of harassment and firing to quell individualism, diversity, and freedom of expression?

The world isnt black and white. The point is objectivity and this is the MEDIA...or are you so media-ignorant that you cant understand the importance of OBJECTIVITY?

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Reporter arrested protesting war is fired
By Chris Gaither, Globe Staff, 4/24/2003

SAN FRANCISCO - The San Francisco Chronicle fired Henry Norr, one of its technology reporters, one month after suspending him for taking a day off from work to protest the war in Iraq.

Norr, 57, was one of about 1,400 protesters arrested here on March 20, the day after American bombs began falling on Baghdad. The four-year veteran of the Chronicle spent the day in jail, along with his wife and 25-year-old daughter. Each was charged with being a pedestrian in the road, for blocking traffic.

Though the paper dismissed Norr for improperly claiming sick leave that day, his situation also illustrates the difficulty in balancing journalists' desire to express their political views and news organizations' desire to appear objective to their audiences.

Aly Colon, an ethics professor with the Poynter Institute, a journalism school in St. Petersburg, Fla., said he found it ''ironic'' that newspapers, often watchdogs for the right to free speech, sometimes act against employees for expressing their views outside of work. He questioned whether terminating Norr was the best solution, but said the Chronicle must protect its credibility.

''When individuals stand for something that causes people to question whether they can be fair in what they do, something has to be done to address that,'' Colon said.

Norr said he never hid his arrest from his bosses. He said he sent e-mail to his editors, late on the eve of the protests, telling them of his intention to be arrested. He also asked for a month's leave earlier in March to devote all his time to protesting - a request that he said went unanswered.

Yet when he filled out his timecard on March 21, he marked the missed time as a sick day. He said he regrets having done that, rather than putting in for a vacation day. But he said he never hid his reasons for missing work, and that his manager signed the card the following Monday, two days before his suspension.

''If they had a column on the timecard for `jail day,' I would have put that,'' he said in an interview yesterday.

The Chronicle pulled Norr's next column, about technology that prevents unwanted e-mail, before publication, then suspended him on March 26. The paper fired him this week.

Representatives of the Chronicle, owned by Hearst Corp., declined to comment, saying they do not discuss personnel issues.

In a termination letter sent to Norr late Monday, Chronicle editor Phil Bronstein cited the ''falsification'' of Norr's timecard and ''an improper claim for paid sick leave'' as sufficient grounds for dismissal. ''Your personal political activities are no excuse to permit a false claim,'' Bronstein wrote.

But he suggested that Norr's political activities played a role in the decision to fire him. While on unpaid leave, Norr was arrested and hit with wooden pellets fired by police in other protests around the Bay Area, actions that Bronstein called ''persistent violations'' of the newspaper's ethics policies.

''Even if you had not claimed a paid workday, we would not permit you to return to work in the Chronicle newsroom,'' Bronstein wrote. ''To do so would irreparably compromise our journalistic standards and the expectations we have for everyone in the newsroom.''

Norr, however, said his protests violated none of the Chronicle's ethics policies at the time. Since his suspension, the newspaper has amended its policies to explicitly prohibit antiwar protests by its staff members.

The local newspaper union, the Northern California Media Workers Guild, has filed grievances against the newspaper for the suspension, the termination, and the changes to the Chronicle's ethics policy.

Norr is due in court today. He has not yet entered a plea. The charge against his daughter has been dismissed; his wife is awaiting a court appearance.

[Fletch XXX]

Mr Popup always answers questions with big long drawn out quotes.

incapable of a discussion.

[FATPad]

Originally posted by MrPopup


Funny how you feel those working for you should not have minds of their own.

How about the implications of corporations using the threat of harassment and firing to quell individualism, diversity, and freedom of expression?

Have all the mind you want, and be an individual, diversify and express the hell out of yourself...on your own time.

[kenny]

Lets make this simple where everyone can understand it.

If for some reason Lensman said "No more Dixie Chick threads or be banned" Then people who post those threads are subject to being banned.

Nothing to do with the consitution or US freedom of speech.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by Colin


If you own a radio station, you have every right to play or not play an artist for whatever reason you wish including the personal views of the artist. Maybe the guy only wants to play "Patriotic Country". That's his right. What do you want to do? Take away his freedom to do so?

My guess is he is a smart guy and since the Dixie Chicks fans themselves are the ones that are pissed at them (which also make up a large number of his listeners), he doesnt want to play them so he can keep his listeneres pleased.

Why would he want to piss off his listeners by playing something they dont want to hear?

Smart move on his part.

[MrPopup]

Originally posted by FATPad
Have all the mind you want, and be an individual, diversify and express the hell out of yourself...on your own time.

So as an employer you feel you have an ownership to your employees thoughts?

and have a read...

http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...ars+ too+late

http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...ars+ too+late

http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...ars+ too+late

[Sly_RJ]

Originally posted by kenny
Lets make this simple where everyone can understand it.

If for some reason Lensman said "No more Dixie Chick threads or be banned" Then people who post those threads are subject to being banned.

Nothing to do with the consitution or US freedom of speech.

Hmm... this seems very familiar.

Oh, by the way, why did I get banned again?

[MrPopup]

Originally posted by kenny
Lets make this simple where everyone can understand it.

If for some reason Lensman said "No more Dixie Chick threads or be banned" Then people who post those threads are subject to being banned.

Nothing to do with the consitution or US freedom of speech.

Yes, you are correct....so that would stop people from exhibiting their opinions about the dixie chicks...and since the threat is there...the point is that those GFY members might theoretically stop posting about other issues under the implied threat of the same treatment.

[ADL Colin]

Originally posted by MrPopup


Funny how you feel those working for you should not have minds of their own.

It is black and white.

We have more than 60 employees and they are expected to adhere to our employment guidelines. If we post a new rule, the girls are expected to read it and adhere to it. They are not expected to go off and do whatever they wish because they think it is a "good idea".

They can have their input. They can come to us anytime with suggestions. We're good employers. But the bottom line is that we have company policies that everyone is expected to adhere to. If they break them they will either get reprimanded or fired.

What do you do? let you employees run around doing whatever they wish whether it hurts your business or not because you think corporations are evil? I don't get it.

[eroswebmaster]

Originally posted by MrPopup


Funny how you feel those working for you should not have minds of their own.

How about the implications of corporations using the threat of harassment and firing to quell individualism, diversity, and freedom of expression?

The world isnt black and white. The point is objectivity and this is the MEDIA...or are you so media-ignorant that you cant understand the importance of OBJECTIVITY?

Dude you missed my point entirely...ON MY TIME...when you're ON MY TIME you do what I say (as long as it legal), you represent my company how I choose it to be represented...ON MY TIME.

ON YOUR TIME...do what the fuck you will as long as it doesn't affect you ON MY TIME.


I don't care if this is media, or a liquor store...it's a business, someone owns it and their business plan, their SOP, their agenda is dictated by that person.

There are 100's of radio stations across the country...it gets pretty diversified.

[FATPad]

Originally posted by MrPopup


So as an employer you feel you have an ownership to your employees thoughts?

and have a read...

http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...ars+ too+late

http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...ars+ too+late

http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...ars+ too+late

So as my DJ who I pay a weekly salary to, you think you have the right to decide what will be played on my radio station?

Get real.

[Sly_RJ]

Originally posted by MrPopup


So as an employer you feel you have an ownership to your employees thoughts?

and have a read...

http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...ars+ too+late

http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...ars+ too+late

http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...ars+ too+late

No you twit. You can read but you sure as fuck have trouble with basic comprehension.

You might want to enroll in a second grade class at Fuck Up Elementary, maybe they'll be able to teach you basic comprehension.

[MrPopup]

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

You might want to enroll in a second grade class at Fuck Up Elementary, maybe they'll be able to teach you basic comprehension.

I got a letter jacket from Fuck-Up elementary.

[Sly_RJ]

Originally posted by MrPopup


I got a letter jacket from Fuck-Up elementary.

Obviously.

[Fletch XXX]

<img src=http://ak1.aka.eonline.com/7/1480/1218/0001/www.eonline.com/Features/Live/Filmschool2000/Images/fast_times1_vid.jpg border="1">

'ON MY TIME'

Another good line from that Bosom Buddies Billy Joel thing.

'You can speak your mind, but NOT ON MY TIME.'

;)

[FATPad]

Originally posted by MrPopup


Yes, you are correct....so that would stop people from exhibiting their opinions about the dixie chicks...and since the threat is there...the point is that those GFY members might theoretically stop posting about other issues under the implied threat of the same treatment.

Lucky for everyone here, posting on GFY is voluntary. If Lens decides to start dictating what can and cannot be said too much, people can leave and find another board that suits them.

[cherrylula]

hahahaha the dixie chicks are lame.

[ADL Colin]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
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'ON MY TIME'

Another good line from that Busom Buddies Billy Joel thing.

'You can speak your mind, but NOT ON MY TIME.'

;)

Oh, fuck. Sweeet reference. Great flick.

[MrPopup]

Originally posted by FATPad
So as my DJ who I pay a weekly salary to, you think you have the right to decide what will be played on my radio station?

Get real.

Dude....i didnt say that at all. Implications of actions are sometimes more explicitly detremental then the point of the action in the first place.

This suspension is an attack on diversity - the minor consequences to the radio station (complaints by the audience, possible advertiser pullout) DOES NOT OUTWEIGH the broader outcome of what is rapidly becoming a country with one very white, very christian attitude problem.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by Colin


Oh, fuck. Sweeet reference. Great flick.

I couldn't resist either.

[Sly_RJ]

Originally posted by FATPad
Lucky for everyone here, posting on GFY is voluntary. If Lens decides to start dictating what can and cannot be said too much, people can leave and find another board that suits them.

Oh shit, are you saying that there are alternative radio stations? And maybe even alternative music sources? No way man!

[MrPopup]

Originally posted by cherrylula
hahahaha the dixie chicks are lame.

yes.

[Steve]

this thread made me want to hear Dixie Chicken by Little Feat

and have chicken for lunch

[eroswebmaster]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
<img src=http://ak1.aka.eonline.com/7/1480/1218/0001/www.eonline.com/Features/Live/Filmschool2000/Images/fast_times1_vid.jpg border="1">

'ON MY TIME'

Another good line from that Bosom Buddies Billy Joel thing.

'You can speak your mind, but NOT ON MY TIME.'

;)

LOL.

[MrPopup]

"WITH US OR AGAINST US" - "WITH US OR AGAINST US" - "WITH US OR AGAINST US" - "WITH US OR AGAINST US" - "WITH US OR AGAINST US" - "WITH US OR AGAINST US" - "WITH US OR AGAINST US" - "WITH US OR AGAINST US" - "WITH US OR AGAINST US" - "WITH US OR AGAINST US" - "WITH US OR AGAINST US" - "WITH US OR AGAINST US" - "WITH US OR AGAINST US" - "WITH US OR AGAINST US" - "WITH US OR AGAINST US" - "WITH US OR AGAINST US" - "WITH US OR AGAINST US" - "WITH US OR AGAINST US" - "WITH US OR AGAINST US" - "WITH US OR AGAINST US" - "WITH US OR AGAINST US" - "WITH US OR AGAINST US" - "WITH US OR AGAINST US" - "WITH US OR AGAINST US" - "WITH US OR AGAINST US" - "WITH US OR AGAINST US" - "WITH US OR AGAINST US" - "WITH US OR AGAINST US" - "WITH US OR AGAINST US" - "WITH US OR AGAINST US" - "WITH US OR AGAINST US" - "WITH US OR AGAINST US" - "WITH US OR AGAINST US" - "WITH US OR AGAINST US" - "WITH US OR AGAINST US"

Means a lot more than a war on terror.

[FATPad]

Originally posted by MrPopup


Dude....i didnt say that at all. Implications of actions are sometimes more explicitly detremental then the point of the action in the first place.

This suspension is an attack on diversity - the minor consequences to the radio station (complaints by the audience, possible advertiser pullout) DOES NOT OUTWEIGH the broader outcome of what is rapidly becoming a country with one very white, very christian attitude problem.

No. You're trying to make something out of nothing.

Boss: Don't play Dixie Chicks...the people listening to this station won't like it.

Employee: I'll play what I want.

Boss: Take a few days off. You're suspended.

Nothing. Just because you want it to be an attack on diversity, freedom of speech, and the ability to think for yourself, does not make it so.

Write to the station owner and tell him you want the two DJ's back.

[eroswebmaster]

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Oh shit, are you saying that there are alternative radio stations? And maybe even alternative music sources? No way man!

Fuck man I didn't realize it but over 11,000 commercial radio and t.v. stations in the US.

[UnseenWorld]

If "freedom of the press belongs to the person with the press," then "freedom of speech (on the radio) belongs to the person who owns the radio station.

[UnseenWorld]

Originally posted by MrPopup


lol...sure he does.

i guess you dont understand the wider implications?

I understand the "wider implications" of employees disobeying direct orders. I think the ban is stupid, but employers have the right to act stupidly and take the consequences without interference from employees.

[rooster]

"The Media is owned by the people who put Bush into power and they will not hear a word against him."


When did jews become conservatives. I must have been in a coma or something.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by eroswebmaster


Fuck man I didn't realize it but over 11,000 commercial radio and t.v. stations in the US.

Mr Popup gets his thoughts and ideas from a GOVERNMENT OWNED TV station man, pay him no mind.

If he wants to look at Freedom of Speech, he neednt look past the tv remote of his own commonwealth.

At least we have commercial radio that CAN play what they want, and not be controlled.

;)

[ADL Colin]

Originally posted by MrPopup


This suspension is an attack on diversity - the minor consequences to the radio station (complaints by the audience, possible advertiser pullout) DOES NOT OUTWEIGH the broader outcome of what is rapidly becoming a country with one very white, very christian attitude problem.

Oh, please. Some of my best friends are white and they're not bad at all. What do you have against white people?

[MrPopup]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX


Mr Popup gets his thoughts and ideas from a GOVERNMENT OWNED TV station man, pay him no mind.

If he wants to look at Freedom of Speech, he neednt look past the tv remote of his own commonwealth.

At least we have commercial radio that CAN play what they want, and not be controlled.

;)

And Fletch XXX gets all his ideas from record labels - or did you think those lyrics were original?

Dude....i dont even watch tv....'cept for one horrible immature vice.