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Old 07-22-2019, 10:58 PM   #1
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:stop Mexico sets 1st half murder record, up 5.3%

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MEXICO CITY (AP) — Mexico set a new record for homicides in the first half of the year as the number of murders grew by 5.3% compared to the same period of 2018, fueled partly by cartel and gang violence in several states.

Mexico saw 3,080 killings in June, an increase of over 8% from the same month a year ago, according to official figures. The country of almost 125 million now sees as many as 100 killings per day nationwide.

The 17,608 killings in the first half of 2019 is the most since comparable records began being kept in 1997, including the peak year of Mexico’s drug war in 2011. Officials said 16,714 people were killed in the first half of 2018.

In particular, drug cartel turf wars have become increasingly bloody in the northern state of Sonora, where the number of homicides was up by 69% in the first half of the year. But in Sinaloa, where the cartel of convicted drug lord Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman is based, homicides declined by 23% so far this year compared to last.

Given cutbacks and a widespread reorganization of security forces under President Andrés Manuel López Obrador, it is not clear who, if anyone, is doing the analysis and intelligence work to find out exactly which conflicts are causing the rise in homicides.

“I could give you 10 potential, plausible reasons, but the truth is we don’t know, and that is perhaps the biggest problem,” said security analyst Alejandro Hope. “There is very little systematic research that would allow us to conclude what is really happening.”

And other types of crime, like extortion, have become increasingly frequent and violent.

As if to underscore that, officials said Monday the five men killed Sunday at a bar in the resort of Acapulco were allegedly part of a gang of extortionists who shook down business owners for protection payments.

Guerrero state prosecutor Jorge Zuriel “we now know that the members of this gang met daily at this bar to coordinate charging extortion payments and to collect the daily take.”

One suspect has been arrested in the shootings, which left six people wounded. Zuriel said the killers were members of a rival gang.

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So you are saying people trying to escape the violence have legitimate asylum concern?
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So you are saying people trying to escape the violence have legitimate asylum concern?
if they don't make any contact with gangs they are fine. these killings are in one or more categories drugs,smuggling,trafficking maybe all of them combined. a lady from cali started mulling for a cartel with a friend they were getting like 8 grand a go. these idiots told one of the enforcers they didn't want to do it anymore. so he blows her friends head off and gives her the drugs. he also adds one of his men picked up her daughter from school and dropped her off at home.
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if they don't make any contact with gangs they are fine. these killings are in one or more categories drugs,smuggling,trafficking maybe all of them combined. a lady from cali started mulling for a cartel with a friend they were getting like 8 grand a go. these idiots told one of the enforcers they didn't want to do it anymore. so he blows her friends head off and gives her the drugs. he also adds one of his men picked up her daughter from school and dropped her off at home.
I'm pretty sure it don't work that way in "real life" non fanasty land world.. You dont just tell gang members trying to force you to pay protection money or extorting you that.. oh hey guys I don't want to talk to you..

You dont tell stray bullets to go away...


There is a world called reality, when the govts do not or are not always capable of protecting their citizens and the only option for those people is to leave..
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I'm pretty sure it don't work that way in "real life" non fanasty land world.. You dont just tell gang members trying to force you to pay protection money or extorting you that.. oh hey guys I don't want to talk to you..

You dont tell stray bullets to go away...


There is a world called reality, when the govts do not or are not always capable of protecting their citizens and the only option for those people is to leave..
look it's happening there is no argument. we went over this asylum is in their home country. it is not a warzone.
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This is because America is funding the drugs shipped through and produced in Mexico. Stop buying drugs, violence plummets. I stopped doing them when it was clear the misery it produced.
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This is because America is funding the drugs shipped through and produced in Mexico. Stop buying drugs, violence plummets. I stopped doing them when it was clear the misery it produced.
there are more people there that don't take a dark paths. they are coming to the united states and killing each other. a cop told me they are picking up bodies weekly. lots of them. i have never seen that many people shot like that. say they were killing over sugar rights in africa what now you stop making sugar??? don't blame products for peoples actions. this is like blaming guns instead of people.
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I thought the browner a place was the safer it was???
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So you are saying people trying to escape the violence have legitimate asylum concern?
Crockett can’t see past the votes but when you bring people in from a shithole, they turn your country into a shithole.
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there are more people there that don't take a dark paths. they are coming to the united states and killing each other. a cop told me they are picking up bodies weekly. lots of them. i have never seen that many people shot like that. say they were killing over sugar rights in africa what now you stop making sugar??? don't blame products for peoples actions. this is like blaming guns instead of people.
I'm blaming the people who buy the drugs. Prohibition fuels crime.
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look it's happening there is no argument. we went over this asylum is in their home country. it is not a warzone.
It doesn't have to be a war zone. No where in the rules for seeking asylum is there anything that requires it to be a war zone. These people fit into Priority One asylum and some fit into priority 3

1) Priority One

persons facing compelling security concerns in countries of first asylum; persons in need of legal protection because of the danger of refoulement; those in danger due to threats of armed attack in an area where they are located; or persons who have experienced recent persecution because of their political, religious, or human rights activities (prisoners of conscience); women-at-risk; victims of torture or violence, physically or mentally disabled persons; persons in urgent need of medical treatment not available in the first asylum country; and persons for whom other durable solutions are not feasible and whose status in the place of asylum does not present a satisfactory long-term solution. – UNHCR Resettlement Handbook

3)Priority Three

is reserved for cases of family reunification, in which a refugee abroad is brought to the United States to be reunited with a close family member who also has refugee status. A list of nationalities eligible for Priority Three consideration is developed annually. The proposed countries for FY2008 were Afghanistan, Burma, Burundi, Colombia, Congo (Brazzaville), Cuba, Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK), Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC), Eritrea, Ethiopia, Haiti, Iran, Iraq, Rwanda, Somalia, Sudan and Uzbekistan.
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Hey Crockett why haven't you replied to my post about the cost of illegal immigration.

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-p...rder-wall.html

Of course if Bladderpiss, Rochard or any other supporter of illegal immigrants wants to chime in, they're welcome.
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It doesn't have to be a war zone. No where in the rules for seeking asylum is there anything that requires it to be a war zone. These people fit into Priority One asylum and some fit into priority 3

1) Priority One

persons facing compelling security concerns in countries of first asylum; persons in need of legal protection because of the danger of refoulement; those in danger due to threats of armed attack in an area where they are located; or persons who have experienced recent persecution because of their political, religious, or human rights activities (prisoners of conscience); women-at-risk; victims of torture or violence, physically or mentally disabled persons; persons in urgent need of medical treatment not available in the first asylum country; and persons for whom other durable solutions are not feasible and whose status in the place of asylum does not present a satisfactory long-term solution. – UNHCR Resettlement Handbook

3)Priority Three

is reserved for cases of family reunification, in which a refugee abroad is brought to the United States to be reunited with a close family member who also has refugee status. A list of nationalities eligible for Priority Three consideration is developed annually. The proposed countries for FY2008 were Afghanistan, Burma, Burundi, Colombia, Congo (Brazzaville), Cuba, Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK), Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC), Eritrea, Ethiopia, Haiti, Iran, Iraq, Rwanda, Somalia, Sudan and Uzbekistan.
These are the rules according to America.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asyl..._United_States
Asylum has two basic requirements. First, an asylum applicant must establish that he or she fears persecution in their home country.[5] Second, the applicant must prove that he or she would be persecuted on account of one of five protected grounds: race, religion, nationality, political opinion, or particular social group.
Of course if someone finds a site that contains different Government decreed rules, they are encouraged to post.
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and not the people that make them? that's stupid! a lady sued a gun manufacture cause her husband did something with a gun. not sure if he killed anybody.
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It doesn't have to be a war zone. No where in the rules for seeking asylum is there anything that requires it to be a war zone.
Think we can get crockett to adopt a few Hondurans or Guatemalans and let them live in his bug out van?
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Hey Crockett why haven't you replied to my post about the cost of illegal immigration.

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-p...rder-wall.html

Of course if Bladderpiss, Rochard or any other supporter of illegal immigrants wants to chime in, they're welcome.
You ask the same questions once or twice a week.

People are tired of answering the same questions to you.

None of us support sanctuary cities we are anti-illegal-immigration and here you are again saying we're all for illegal immigration and far left liberals.

We're tired of answering the same questions you ask week in and week out.

We're tired of you not absorbing the information we give you.

We're tired of you disrespecting us and calling us far-left liberals when you already know that we are not.

If you have Alzheimer's then eventually you'll understand that we keep answering the same questions and you have an issue with your mind. If you don't have Alzheimer's then you'll realize we're tired of your stupid bulshit and wasting our time.

Of course I don't speak for everyone else and I'm assuming they feel the same way.
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Of course if Bladderpiss, Rochard or any other supporter of illegal immigrants wants to chime in, they're welcome.
don't waste your time
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I saw a guy get killed in Mexico. In public, broad daylight, tons of people, right by the Morley Street pedestrian crossing in Nogales. It was surreal. Guy and his girlfriend are walking across the street and a maroon SUV roars up, three guys with baseball bats get out and two start wailing on the guy. Hardcore head shots that made such a horrible sound that thinking about it made me nauseous for years afterward. Third guy with a bat held back the victim's shrieking girlfriend. They leave the guy a bleeding, crumpled piece of shit in the street while the girlfriend starts chasing the vehicle, still screaming her head off. Shook me to the core. The guy standing next to me shrugs and says "drogas." I walked past the guy and back to the US, in shock and babbling to the customs agent about what I'd just witnessed.

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I saw a guy get killed in Mexico. In public, broad daylight, tons of people, right by the Morley Street pedestrian crossing in Nogales. It was surreal. Guy and his girlfriend are walking across the street and a maroon SUV roars up, three guys with baseball bats get out and two start wailing on the guy. Hardcore head shots that made such a horrible sound that thinking about it made me nauseous for years afterward. Third guy with a bat held back the victim's shrieking girlfriend. They leave the guy a bleeding, crumpled piece of shit in the street while the girlfriend starts chasing the vehicle, still screaming her head off. Shook me to the core. The guy standing next to me shrugs and says "drogas." I walked past the guy and back to the US, in shock and babbling to the customs agent about what I'd just witnessed.

pic of where it happened
why the fuck did i read that? yep he probably did the drugs or skimmed money. they don't target random people. if youtube shooting in a jewelry store mexico. a guy enters the place(a cartel members son) with his girl a car pulls up the guys have ak-47's security is sitting inside with his back to the god damn door! the off him. they are blazing killed the guy and his girl they ended up having to carry one of their own because they accidentally shot him i wish i didn't watch it. like the maggots in a bums nose the kind that eat live flesh that was in india if u want to take in the horror as i did
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bro... just last week you were saying mexico was safe and the migrants should just stay there.

make up your senile mind.
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Think we can get crockett to adopt a few Hondurans or Guatemalans into his bug out van?
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bro... just last week you were saying mexico was safe and the migrants should just stay there.

make up your senile mind.
It is safe...unless you're in the drug business. No one gave a shit this guy was getting whacked, as long as they weren't spraying the street with gunfire.
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bro... just last week you were saying mexico was safe and the migrants should just stay there.

make up your senile mind.
parts of mexico are as safe as america. there are some places in Az i would not walk because it's not safe! like there are some hoods you can't walk in and be safe. there is drug corruption in mexico. some people are brave enough there to try to change it. they need help! i think helping mexico would be a good start in the right direction. when the cartel killed that female reporter in front a police station in a city in downtown mexico i thought that would be the last straw. they had killed her daughter earlier in that year she was killed. very sad story. the cam caught her murder. it's online. you called me a fucking koon LOL i have never went racial on anybody here. shows you can't control your temper
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It is safe...unless you're in the drug business. No one gave a shit this guy was getting whacked, as long as they weren't spraying the street with gunfire.
most likely they knew. those people you keep an eye out for like in the western times. when jesse james came to town you know to get the fuck out of there!
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These are the rules according to America.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asyl..._United_States
Asylum has two basic requirements. First, an asylum applicant must establish that he or she fears persecution in their home country.[5] Second, the applicant must prove that he or she would be persecuted on account of one of five protected grounds: race, religion, nationality, political opinion, or particular social group.
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Once again Paul Markman the guy living in a 3rd world country as an ex pat from England thinks he knows more than anyone else about US and international law...He is so uninformed he doesn't even understand his own home country follows the exact same rules..


This guy is seriously full of himself...
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It isn´t safe, also not if you are not in the drugs business. I know a 80 year old woman in Guadalajara who wanted to enter her house, they took her inside, bound her and robbed the whole house. One week later she is looking out her window, and there the guys standing again, waiting for another opportunity. She moved that day to a gated community. 2 kids got kidnapped near a place i just to live in Mexico DF and the parents had to pay ransom. That is why the schools there, children between 4 - 11 had so much security.

The cartels threatened to kidnap doctors in hospita in Acapulco, o the hospitals also had to hire extra security and the doctors must live in a gated community to be a little saver.

Mexico has a lot of problems now, the cartels are more active in Yucatan also. A lot of Mexican blame the soft left nationalist president. Who probably is corrupt also.

The Mexicans themselves has a lot of refugees coming in. And what i understand is that they get 6000 MXN pesos per month, that is more than some cleaning ladies make working all day.
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It isn´t safe, also not if you are not in the drugs business. I know a 80 year old woman in Guadalajara who wanted to enter her house, they took her inside, bound her and robbed the whole house. One week later she is looking out her window, and there the guys standing again, waiting for another opportunity. She moved that day to a gated community. 2 kids got kidnapped near a place i just to live in Mexico DF and the parents had to pay ransom. That is why the schools there, children between 4 - 11 had so much security.

The cartels threatened to kidnap doctors in hospita in Acapulco, o the hospitals also had to hire extra security and the doctors must live in a gated community to be a little saver.

Mexico has a lot of problems now, the cartels are more active in Yucatan also. A lot of Mexican blame the soft left nationalist president. Who probably is corrupt also.

The Mexicans themselves has a lot of refugees coming in. And what i understand is that they get 6000 MXN pesos per month, that is more than some cleaning ladies make working all day.
300 bucks??? how much is rent down there??? 50 bucks a month??? what about the other people living there with no issues? if you know this why don't you get some people to fuck these guys up?
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and not the people that make them? that's stupid! a lady sued a gun manufacture cause her husband did something with a gun. not sure if he killed anybody.
Of course I blame the guys who make them. But we have no control over them, ourselves we do. Legalising drugs would bring it under the control of government and that's the safer option.
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Old 07-24-2019, 02:15 AM   #29
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don't waste your time
I know. But it's my way of pointing out the huge cost of illegal immigration. They talk about the cost of a Wall, detaining illegal immigrants and the real costs are the illegal immigrants themselves.

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Average Cost of Having a Baby

The costs of having a baby include more than just the actual childbirth. These costs also include the regular check-ups, tests and prenatal care associated with pregnancy. The average price of having a baby, through vaginal delivery, is between $5,000 – $11,000 in most states, according to data collected by Fair Health. These prices include the total duration of care, the obstetrician’s fee (including prenatal care), the anesthesiologist’s fee and the hospital care fee. Additionally, the average costs for a Cesarean or C-section birth range from $7,500 – $14,500. Complications during birth, however, for a vaginal or C-section delivery will increase the charges for childbirth.
Average cost = $8,000

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The number of babies born to unauthorized immigrant parents in the U.S. fell to 250,000 in 2016, the lowest figure since 2000, according to a new Pew Research Center report published Thursday afternoon. Such births have decreased 36 percent since hitting a peak of about 390,000 in 2007, the researchers said.
$8,000 X 250,000 = $2,000,000,000 just to deliver those anchor babies.
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Old 07-24-2019, 02:43 AM   #30
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I like to watch you guys argue about stuff you can never change.
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bro... just last week you were saying mexico was safe and the migrants should just stay there.

make up your senile mind.
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It is safe...unless you're in the drug business. No one gave a shit this guy was getting whacked, as long as they weren't spraying the street with gunfire.
Is that a good enough answer?

The problem is allowing them in without due process. They should turn up at an authorised port of entry and apply for asylum. Otherwise you let in the guys with the guns creating the violence. Or is that your plan?
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300 bucks??? how much is rent down there??? 50 bucks a month??? what about the other people living there with no issues? if you know this why don't you get some people to fuck these guys up?
Yes, 6000 mxn, that is why Mexican also have enough of refugees coming to Mexico. But i read it is a selected group of poor refugees. As if there aren´t enough poor mexicans. Mexico City can be expensive, you pay 300 - 600 usd rent in a middle class saver neighbourhood. Guadalajara is cheaper.

Fuck those robbers up, you think i am stupid Than their friends pay the police for your address and got shot also? Her children put some money together and put their mother in a gated community. That is what you can do if you have some money. I am in Asia now, maybe going to Mexico next year again for a few months. Depends on the safety, i won't stay in mexico City after i experienced an earthquake there. Must see how safe it is in Puerto Escondido. Also earthquakes, but than i don't stay in a big building.
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Once again Paul Markman the guy living in a 3rd world country as an ex pat from England thinks he knows more than anyone else about US and international law...He is so uninformed he doesn't even understand his own home country follows the exact same rules..


This guy is seriously full of himself...
So post articles that prove how out of touch I am. I get all my information on this new thing called the Internet. It's a great place and you should use it to come up with facts thatillegals aren't costing the US billions every year. For instance I found that anchor babies cost $2,000,000,000 a year.

Now let's add the money the babies get from the State.

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The benefit to the family is that the child is thereby eligible to claim U.S. social welfare, be educated at much lower cost and obtain certain medical benefits for life here. Various court challenges have tried to block this practice. For example, in 2015 the State of Texas stopped giving birth certificates to parents who could not produce U.S.-issued documents for themselves. What was more, Texas refused to recognize the Mexican Consulate-issued matrícula consular as an identity paper as it had previously. But such state efforts to frustrate birth tourism have run up against the prohibition of the 14th Amendment to the effect that, “No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States

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According to Politifact, pregnant women and nursing mothers could be eligible for certain benefits under the Women-Infants-Children (WIC) program, which provides food and nutrition vouchers to low-income families, if they have a child that was born in the U.S.

Their children could also enroll in Medicaid, although the undocumented parents could not. This as children born to undocumented parents in the U.S. are granted birthright citizenship.
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Child Trends has released their latest report on state and federal child welfare spending, Federal, State and Local Spending to Address Child Abuse and Neglect in SFY 2012 . The report shows a total of $12.7 billion in federal funds spent in 2012 on child welfare services—a decrease from two years earlier. The state and local spending includes an additional $15 billion.
I used Google it's a great site and enables me to find the facts, something you and others are unable to do.

Just having babies, illegal immigrants cost the US taxpayers billions a year. Come anddo more research proving that low wage jobs making Americans unemployed is making up the difference. You'll find more costs detailed here. https://gfy.com/22506004-post50.html
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Of course I blame the guys who make them. But we have no control over them, ourselves we do. Legalising drugs would bring it under the control of government and that's the safer option.
omg you are clueless!! the government is the head of illegal drugs! oliver north told some of the dirty deeds! im not going to get into this bullshit today. i have a ton of things to do. have a good time Mr. legalization would just fill up the mental hospitals. the aftermath of a junky is not pretty. im the fuck out of here! this is not a small tourist country like the Netherlands. easy to control. they fight no wars. they skirt world affairs.
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