Originally Posted by crockett (Post 22490064)

Have you seen any pictures of a downed drone? Have you seen any proof a drone was even shot down? All we have is Trump claiming it happened. No proof..

With that said, I believe there is enough evidence that yes a drone was shot down because "clincher" Iran said they did it. Yet what Iran said is that the drone violated their air space as did a US military transport plane.


The kicker is, with out Iran being honest and stating that yes they shot the drone down, there would be absolutely zero proof it even happened, because Trump's admin has provided none.

So who do we believe Grape? Iran who is probably going to lie about something or Trump who lies constantly about even the most petty things?

Lying matters..

Originally Posted by VRPdommy (Post 22490025)

First... the drone invaded Iranian airspace, and they had every right to shoot it down.
While the waterway under it was international, the airspace was not. Name a country we allow fly in our airspace with military aircraft freely at will.

So, the blunder needed cover. It's a good excuse for not escalating it but the Senate told him he was not making any military attacks on this. And is why he reverted to economic sanctions.

Hey, I always think provoking and/or creating a war is a bad idea unless you can show me where our interest is and what the end game is intended to achieve.
Tit for Tat escalations is what lead to the Vietnam war... and Korea too.
Only one is over and we have not succeeded in either.

If he thinks he can achieve regime change in the remainder of his term, he is mistaken and we can almost guess the next admin (left or right) will not see this the same way. Not going to happen.

Just remember, all of this is brought to you by Israel and Saudi Arabia. Neither of which has our interest at heart. Not having the predominate military or economic potential, you adopt a big brother to do your fighting.

Obtaining a deal from the moderates in Iran is now going to be almost impossible for some time. Thanks donald.

So, I suppose he did the right thing not invading NK too ? ...LOL...

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22489837)

You completely missed the point.

We have no idea what actually happened.

Trump lies about everything. Every fucking thing. So suddenly we are supposed to trust him about this? Was there an attack? If there was, did Trump call it off at "the last moment"? Was Trump not aware that people would be killed? Was Trump not aware that his actions over the course of the past three years might have started a war that will lead to the thousands or tens of thousands of Americans dying in yet another Middle East war?

Trump made Iran an issue as campaign promise. It's identical to NAFTA and our border - he is going to fix a problem that doesn't exist, and the truth is he just makes it worse. NAFTA makes things worse - it has automatic built in tariffs that will increase prices for Americans - and most likely wont' be signed by all three countries if any. The border is another example - not a problem under Obama, not suddenly we are running concentration camps. Don't tell me we aren't; We are locking kids up and not giving them toothpaste. Same exact thing with Iran. Iran was handled, and now they are attacking oil ships in the gulf and shooting down our drones. Trump wants to bring them back to the negotiating table to come up with a new deal that is going to be worse than the old one.

But tell us again how Trump is making America great again.

By the way, shooting at an American plane - even a drone - is an act of war. Assuming everything Trump is telling us true, the United States was attacked and Trump did.... nothing.

#winning

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 22489842)

You want to know how I know it was something he made up? .

Originally Posted by Busty2 (Post 22489994)

Chump fucked himself with his incessant lies. Only his cult followers ignore this or are just to stupid to realize what a dishonest president they elected to power. He has absolutely zero idea of what he is doing or how to run a country. So yes 100% he is fucked whatever he does as most intelligent Americans do not believe a word he spews from his anal shaped mouth!

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22490056)

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Why doesn't the White House hold daily press briefings?



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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22490070)

I disagree with you on this.

A country's legal border

Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 22491324)

you are loosing it bro...

Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 22491331)

you serious? you had your nose up corks ass when trump said fuck the press and stopped holding press conferences... you don't remember.. too may russians in the mix???

Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 22490574)

there is no reason for the to change their minds...you were shit 40 years ago and you are shit today...they do not like you with very very good reason...the reason is: you are shit :thumbsup

Originally Posted by Busty2 (Post 22489994)

Chump fucked himself with his incessant lies. Only his cult followers ignore this or are just to stupid to realize what a dishonest president they elected to power. He has absolutely zero idea of what he is doing or how to run a country. So yes 100% he is fucked whatever he does as most intelligent Americans do not believe a word he spews from his anal shaped mouth!