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thommy 06-22-2019 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22488712)
Illegal immigrants who were placed in the Czech Republic soon left and went to Germany. The welfare was better in Germany.

ILLEGALS immigrants are not allowed to enter germany.

do you know how many of the refugees are ILLEGAL ?

you will not find the answer because the difference between an immigrant and a refugee is that an immigrant have to get his visa BEFORE he enters the country.

a refugee does not have time to get a visa - often they do not even have time to get a passport.

and now find somebody who ready for you the geneve refugee convention. maybe you will understand than that EVERY HUMAN BEEING IN THE WORLD CAN ENTER EVERY FUCKING COUNTRY WITH OR WITHOUT PAPERS AND ASK FOR ASYLUM.

it is a HUMAN RIGHT, moron, signed by ALL OF THE FOLLOWING COUNTRIES

Ägypten
Äquatorialguinea
Äthiopien
Albanien
Algerien
Angola
Antigua und Barbuda
Argentinien
Armenien
Aserbaidschan
Australien
Bahamas
Belgien
Belize
Benin
Bolivien
Bosnien und Herzegowina
Botsuana
Brasilien
Bulgarien
Burkina Faso
Burundi
Chile
China (Volksrepublik)
Costa Rica
Côte d’Ivoire
Dänemark
Deutschland
Dominica
Dominikanische Republik
Dschibuti
Ecuador
El Salvador
Estland
Fidschi
Finnland
Frankreich
Gabun
Gambia
Georgien
Ghana
Griechenland
Guatemala
Guinea
Guinea-Bissau
Haiti
Heiliger Stuhl (Vatikan)
Honduras
Iran
Irland
Island
Israel
Italien
Jamaika
Japan
Jemen
Kambodscha
Kamerun
Kanada
Kap Verde1
Kasachstan
Kenia
Kirgisistan
Kolumbien
Kongo2
Kongo (Demokratische Republik)
Korea (Republik)
Kroatien
Lesotho
Lettland
Liberia
Liechtenstein
Litauen
Luxemburg
Madagaskar3
Malawi
Mali
Malta4
Marokko
Mauretanien
Mazedonien
Mexiko
Moldau (Republik)
Monaco56
Montenegro
Mosambik
Namibia7
Neuseeland
Nicaragua
Niederlande
Niger
Nigeria
Norwegen
Österreich
Panama
Papua-Neuguinea
Paraguay
Peru
Philippinen
Polen
Portugal
Ruanda
Rumänien
Russische Föderation
Salomonen
Sambia
Samoa
São Tomé und Príncipe
Schweden
Schweiz
Senegal
Serbien
Seychellen
Sierra Leone
Simbabwe
Slowakei
Slowenien
Somalia
Spanien
St. Kitts und Nevis8
St. Vincent und die Grenadinen9
Südafrika
Sudan
Surinam
Swasiland
Tadschikistan
Tansania
Timor-Leste
Togo
Trinidad und Tobago
Tschad
Tschechische Republik
Tunesien
Türkei10
Turkmenistan
Tuvalu
Ukraine
Uganda
Ungarn11
Uruguay
Venezuela12
Vereinigte Staaten von Amerika13
Vereinigtes Königreich von Großbritannien und Nordirland
Weißrussland (Belarus)14
Zentralafrikanische Republik
Zypern

and BTW look here the difference in "wellfare" they receive

https://www.welt.de/img/wirtschaft/m...r-Aufm-jpg.jpg

and EXPLAIN ME how a refugee can have this wonderful life in germany with 322 euro per month.

DraX 06-22-2019 12:17 PM

Thommy you idiot, your main purpose is well known by now, photoshop everything nice and pretty. Everyone else with an open mind see's how fucked up and sloppy the system behaves. Then the main question goes, how many illegal immigrants are hiding in Germany? :1orglaugh

Quote:

Germany: 38,000 illegal immigrants caught by Federal Police

Figures seen by DW show how many people were caught by German Federal Police after they entered the country illegally between January and November 2018. The total number of illegal arrivals is probably higher.
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-38000-...ice/a-47282792

Holy fuck what a mess, giving tax money to bribe the luxury immigrants to leave for their home country and you retards are upset over the right. :1orglaugh

Quote:

Germany has been flooded this holiday season with billboards offering illegal migrants a bribe to leave — free rent for a year at home.

“Your country. Your future. Now!” displayed in seven languages, jumps off nearly 2,500 screens in 80 cities.
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/...a-year-at-home

https://nationalpostcom.files.wordpr...p_edited-1.jpg

Tasty1 06-22-2019 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22488771)

https://www.welt.de/img/wirtschaft/m...r-Aufm-jpg.jpg

and EXPLAIN ME how a refugee can have this wonderful life in germany with 322 euro per month.

That is the money they get when they arrive, with free food and a place to stay. After that they get the ´normal´ wellfare amounts, a social house where locals have to wait at least 15 years for, money to decorate the house, child support, free medicare, pension when over 67, study, …., ….,... and than the rest of the family comes over.

One of the biggest problems at the moment is people coming from Morocco asking for asylum. They have to wait for months to get the result that they are not allowed and in the meantime they rob, steal and plunder.

When asylum is not granted to people they become illegal, but won't leave the country and nobody forces them. Therefor some cities made "Bed & Bread" centers where illegals and 'undocumented' can stay for some more years while the city helps them proceeding for many more years to get asylum (on cost of the society).

'fun' fact, in Amsterdam in a neighbourhood with 'green left' voters a 69 year woman is raped and beaten to death by an illegal 'undocumented' asylum seeker 2 weeks ago. And the green left mayor just decided that in that neighbourhood will come a "bed and bread" with 50 - 100 undocumented illegal 'refugees'. Now they start protesting, Would you let your children play there… To prevent more people raped and beaten to death they cut down some trees and bushes. Not that that makes a difference, nobody dares to go in the park at night and the woman was raped in a place without bushes, but the bushes must be gone, and the illegals can stay.
PS; the bushes where cut short, till 10 years ago the Green-Left party wanted an eco-zone. While the neighbourhood protested that it would make the place more dangerous… yes, the same people that now said the bushes must be cut to for safety.

And than being back to the topic. Would you shoot down the mayor who is responsabele for this Bed & Bread when the illegals would have raped and killed your elderly mother or child ?... I bet the "bed & bread' will be burnt down when it happens again, or before it opens. Now they are protesting and hope it won't open next month. PS; the bed and bread is full of young man, undocumented, nobody knows their real names and it looks now that Holland has let it all criminals and terrorist cause they couldn't check everyone during the 'refugee crisis', just like people said before and what the government always denied. Most of the people can't move out of that neighbourhood, getting a rental house in Amsterdam can take up to 15 - 20 years… I think it is a ticking bomb, we will see...

thommy 06-23-2019 04:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1 (Post 22489017)
That is the money they get when they arrive, with free food and a place to stay. After that they get the ´normal´ wellfare amounts, a social house where locals have to wait at least 15 years for, money to decorate the house, child support, free medicare, pension when over 67, study, …., ….,... and than the rest of the family comes over.

One of the biggest problems at the moment is people coming from Morocco asking for asylum. They have to wait for months to get the result that they are not allowed and in the meantime they rob, steal and plunder.

When asylum is not granted to people they become illegal, but won't leave the country and nobody forces them. Therefor some cities made "Bed & Bread" centers where illegals and 'undocumented' can stay for some more years while the city helps them proceeding for many more years to get asylum (on cost of the society).

'fun' fact, in Amsterdam in a neighbourhood with 'green left' voters a 69 year woman is raped and beaten to death by an illegal 'undocumented' asylum seeker 2 weeks ago. And the green left mayor just decided that in that neighbourhood will come a "bed and bread" with 50 - 100 undocumented illegal 'refugees'. Now they start protesting, Would you let your children play there… To prevent more people raped and beaten to death they cut down some trees and bushes. Not that that makes a difference, nobody dares to go in the park at night and the woman was raped in a place without bushes, but the bushes must be gone, and the illegals can stay.
PS; the bushes where cut short, till 10 years ago the Green-Left party wanted an eco-zone. While the neighbourhood protested that it would make the place more dangerous… yes, the same people that now said the bushes must be cut to for safety.

And than being back to the topic. Would you shoot down the mayor who is responsabele for this Bed & Bread when the illegals would have raped and killed your elderly mother or child ?... I bet the "bed & bread' will be burnt down when it happens again, or before it opens. Now they are protesting and hope it won't open next month. PS; the bed and bread is full of young man, undocumented, nobody knows their real names and it looks now that Holland has let it all criminals and terrorist cause they couldn't check everyone during the 'refugee crisis', just like people said before and what the government always denied. Most of the people can't move out of that neighbourhood, getting a rental house in Amsterdam can take up to 15 - 20 years… I think it is a ticking bomb, we will see...

this is simply NOT TRUE.

the rate the refugees receive is WIDE below the social assistance rate in germany. the said 322 euro they receive as MAXIMUM cash benefits include MAXIMUM 135 euro pocket money. the rest is a maximum lump sum for the use of public transport. this will in most cases not even suffice as they MUST BE REGULARlLY present at offices.

thommy 06-23-2019 04:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DraX (Post 22488835)
Thommy you idiot, your main purpose is well known by now, photoshop everything nice and pretty. Everyone else with an open mind see's how fucked up and sloppy the system behaves. Then the main question goes, how many illegal immigrants are hiding in Germany? :1orglaugh



https://www.dw.com/en/germany-38000-...ice/a-47282792

Holy fuck what a mess, giving tax money to bribe the luxury immigrants to leave for their home country and you retards are upset over the right. :1orglaugh



https://nationalpost.com/news/world/...a-year-at-home

https://nationalpostcom.files.wordpr...p_edited-1.jpg

i don´t need to photoshop anything, you honk !

go and educate yourself or search for the picture in google if you are smart enough how to do that, you human garbage.

i am so tired from all your lies and fake news. you are so full of shit and lies.
go fuck yourself !

celandina 06-23-2019 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22488712)
Illegal immigrants who were placed in the Czech Republic soon left and went to Germany. The welfare was better in Germany.

They actually used government money to rent a fancy buses and departed...:1orglaugh:1orglaugh Good riddance:2 cents:..

Tasty1 06-23-2019 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22489117)
this is simply NOT TRUE.

the rate the refugees receive is WIDE below the social assistance rate in germany. the said 322 euro they receive as MAXIMUM cash benefits include MAXIMUM 135 euro pocket money. the rest is a maximum lump sum for the use of public transport. this will in most cases not even suffice as they MUST BE REGULARlLY present at offices.

After they get their permanent visa after 1 - 5 years they get the same rights as dutch people, so full wellfare, child support, a house, a few thousand to decorate their house. Why do you think they don´t want to return... and why do you think a lot are criminal when they receive the minimum when they arrove? There are small cities in Holland like Ter Apel where there is an asylum center and the 'refugees' go in the shops and steal. It is even so that the government paid of some shop owners and no police involved… I am not making this things up, that is how it is. In Ter Apel they had to go by bus to the bigger cities, but now they get their own bus. And you know why, cause they where intimidating girls that took the bus to school... so they get their own bus cause parents started driving their children to school themselves.. The bus used to be free for asylum seekers.

"The transport company Qbuzz has long been ringing about the fact that residents of the asylum center in Ter Apel, and in particular people from declared safe countries, cause nuisance on line 73. They would kick stennis and sometimes threaten drivers. Qbuzz therefore insisted on a special asylum bus.



Safe nationals
Harbers also spoke to others who are dealing with the inconvenience caused by safe nationals in Ter Apel in particular. With Harry Stuulen among others, spokesperson for the tradespeople with whom those safe nationals regularly commit shoplifting.

Compensation
Those middle class people want to be able to recover the damage from the thieves, just as they can do to "normal" Dutch people. Harbers said that they are working hard to make that possible. According to him, data about the thieves will have to be passed on faster to the organization that arranges the compensation. Stuulen responded "slightly positively" to those words. "We have been waiting a long time for compensation but I see that it is being worked on."

https://www.dvhn.nl/groningen/Staats...-24353236.html

Residents Buitenveldert want to move after the a 69 year old woman died after being raped by a status holder.
There has been great unrest in Buitenveldert since the assault and rape of 68-year-old Rinia Chitani, who died of her injuries earlier this week. The perpetrator turned out to be a status holder. The anger about this incident comes on top of the concerns that already existed in the neighborhood, after the municipality of Amsterdam decided that there would be seventy asylum seekers.
https://wnl.tv/2019/06/14/bewoners-b...-statushouder/

The woman who get raped, beaten and went in coma by an asylum seeker. Till her family decided after a few weeks to stop medicare cause little chance she would wake up.


A wellfare may discourage job search
In 2017, the explosive growth in the number of social security recipients was due to the large group of asylum seekers who came to the Netherlands during the migration crisis in 20o16. Once you are a status holder, you can apply for social assistance. This happened en masse: between June 2016 and June 2017, the number of social assistance recipients among non-Western immigrants increased by 16,000 to more than 239,000.

According to the CBS, many status holders are still integrating. Another problem is that many asylum seekers have wellfare, and there is virtually no financial incentive to look for work. In 2014, 90 percent of asylum seekers had benefits, a year later it had fallen to 84 percent. Anyone who is going to do unskilled work with social welfare hardly makes any financial gains.

https://www.elsevierweekblad.nl/econ...mt-dat-606345/

and so on... so the living money is only the first months/years than they get all wellfare dutch are entitled to. I guess you didn't look further than the money they get when they first arrive. So stop lying that is is not true, it is true. In the beginning they even got 10.000 euro to decorate the house, we call that in Holland "we give them a house with a Miele (washing machine)". Now some 'only' get a loan to decorate the house, will never be paid back when you are on welfare..

Tasty1 06-23-2019 10:13 AM

And some infomation about Merkel, who loves to pollute the world with german cars and doesn't care about other EU countries.

https://www.telegraaf.nl/financieel/...ziliaans-vlees

"Amsterdam - Europe is in danger of being flooded with contaminated Brazilian beef and chicken meat. The European Union and Mercosur countries Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay and Uruguay are on the point of signing a trade agreement whereby the boundaries will open wide without conditions for South American meat with high risks to food safety and animal welfare.

Consumer organizations and the European meat-processing industry find it "incomprehensible" and "inappropriate" that the Mercosur deal does not set conditions for the quality of meat. "We do not have good experience with the import of Brazilian meat," says Sjoerd van der Wouw from consumer organization and food watchdog Foodwatch. "We know that Brazil imposes very different requirements on animal welfare and food safety and that they also sometimes violate the rules."

"Europe puts food safety at stake"

"That will of course be much more if no conditions are set," says Van der Wouw. "With this deal, Europe is putting its food safety at stake in exchange for exporting cars to South America."

Germany puts a lot of pressure on the rapid signing of the trade agreement. The Eastern neighbors see great opportunities for the car industry in the growth markets of the Mercosur countries."

--

If it comes to pollution, Merkel is worse than Trump. She loves the lying and cheating german car industry. She even puts the health of European consumers aside.
She is a bitch. Maybe somebody must start milkshaking her, altough she is shaking herself already.


Bosa 06-23-2019 10:13 AM

bump:thumbsup

thommy 06-23-2019 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by celandina (Post 22489278)
They actually used government money to rent a fancy buses and departed...:1orglaugh:1orglaugh Good riddance:2 cents:..

i think actually they use this busses to bring all this 100ds of thousands protesters to prague against their president who is officially against immigration.

In the factories of his holding company Agrofert, however, he employs numerous guest workers from non-EU countries, including Vietnam, Ukraine and Mongolia. Without them, Agrofert, like many other companies in the country, would have to contend with extreme labour shortages. They are paid miserably, most of them have come to the Czech Republic under highly dubious circumstances.

This is what CZ REALLY thinks from those poeple. unfortunately paul seems not to realize what is going on around him.

https://bilder4.n-tv.de/img/incoming...5545fd1175.jpg

can you imagine what it means when in a country of 10 million citizen 300.000 are on the streets?

Bladewire 06-23-2019 02:37 PM

Drax aka Celandina aka The truth hurts is a fake nic and welched on his bets

DraX 06-23-2019 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22489126)
i don´t need to photoshop anything, you honk !

go and educate yourself or search for the picture in google if you are smart enough how to do that, you human garbage.

i am so tired from all your lies and fake news. you are so full of shit and lies.
go fuck yourself !

I believe it would help your own cause if you'd explain to gfy readers in what way I'm a liar and what I said is fake news. :1orglaugh

PS: Nice raging. :thumbsup

Tasty1 06-23-2019 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22489117)
this is simply NOT TRUE.

the rate the refugees receive is WIDE below the social assistance rate in germany. the said 322 euro they receive as MAXIMUM cash benefits include MAXIMUM 135 euro pocket money. the rest is a maximum lump sum for the use of public transport. this will in most cases not even suffice as they MUST BE REGULARlLY present at offices.

Already found out that you where WRONG? Like many times when you think how it works in Holland.
And after the young men, mostly young man arrive first leaving children and wife behind, the parents and other family members can come.
The parents are so old, they probably end up with a pension right away when they arrive (and a house).

That is what the left media want you to believe, that they only get about 200 - 300 euros. But that is only 1 month - 5 years till they get a license to stay.
Than the welfare comes in and the family members are invited who doesn't have to wait some months to get the full social security rights.
And as you can read, if you are unskilled, it is hardly worth to work for extra because you gain nothing more than being on welfare.
But you would think they work to be pride, to give back, to show respect for the help. But more than 80% doesn't do that.

PS, some political parties now want to hurry to sent back the Syrian refugees cause it is save.
That must be done now, cause when they didn't get the permanent license to stay before those 5 years, they get it anyway after 5 years.
Cause than they are 'settled' in the community. That is why all lawyers try to slow down all processes so the 5 years will be over and all get full rights.

Grapesoda 06-24-2019 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by StefanG (Post 22486287)
Why are you so silent about this?



https://www.dw.com/en/walter-l%C3%BC...ism/a-49238157

All you AfD asshats have been celebrating his death over the last weeks - now it turns out it was a Neo Nazi that shot him.

And suddenly all you jerks have fallen completely silent.

How surprising. Not.

:321GFY

never heard of it, why you so quiet about the DNC and russian collusion?:winkwink:

DraX 06-24-2019 10:36 AM

Where did Stefan and Thommy go? :1orglaugh

Bladewire 06-24-2019 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 22489736)
....why you so quiet about the DNC and russian collusion?:winkwink:

So you didn't know the Mueller report has been released and confirmed evidence of Trump's & Trump Jr.'s Russian collusion. Got it

Tasty1 06-24-2019 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by candyflip (Post 22487930)
Stefan, don’t you also (or didn’t you) go to a third world country to fuck (and create content) for cheap? Pretty ironic that you’d use that sort of thing to disparage someone else when you’ve done the same thing.

Yes he did barfine hookers in Phuket and later went again to Thailand. And moved from Germany to Czech to pimp out poor girls for pornmovies.

Was the second or third time he tried to frame me that way.

DraX 06-25-2019 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1 (Post 22490263)
Yes he did barfine hookers in Phuket and later went again to Thailand. And moved from Germany to Czech to pimp out poor girls for pornmovies.

Was the second or third time he tried to frame me that way.

No surprise, these self proclaimed knights of the "Shining Order" usually have the most to hide, they are hypocrites and don't live as they teach.

Tasty1 06-26-2019 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22489117)
this is simply NOT TRUE.

the rate the refugees receive is WIDE below the social assistance rate in germany. the said 322 euro they receive as MAXIMUM cash benefits include MAXIMUM 135 euro pocket money. the rest is a maximum lump sum for the use of public transport. this will in most cases not even suffice as they MUST BE REGULARlLY present at offices.

Still not saying you where wrong. I think that is important, cause your whole idea is that it hardly cost anything. While it is drowning the welfare system in Holland. You are spreading fake news and saying to others they are wrong. But i have never heard you say where wrong, only that others are wrong. And maybe you have the idea why some right wing politicians get many votes.

https://www.sociaalweb.nl/blogs/mind...kan-dat-zomaar

"First of all, if a foreign national is granted an asylum residence permit (irrespective of whether this is for a fixed or an indefinite period of time), he must then be equated with a Dutch person under Article 11 (2) of the Participation Act (with regard to the Participation Act). This means that he is entitled to assistance under the same conditions as a Dutch person.

In practice, that is of course not always that easy. Work and homes are not there for the taking. The solutions are then the assistance and priority allocation of a social rental home."

https://www.volkskrant.nl/economie/m...ning~b349622b/

"Despite the revival of the economy, a record number of people are on social assistance. At the end of March there were 474 thousand people entitled to social assistance, 15 thousand more than a year earlier. The increase can be explained by the fact that Syrians, Eritreans and other asylum seekers who have received a residence permit can apply for assistance."

"The number of people entitled to social assistance with a non-Western migrant background increased by 19 thousand in a year, while the number of people entitled to social assistance with a Dutch or Western background decreased by four thousand."

https://www.ad.nl/rotterdam/gros-van...tand~a9b48dc0/

Most of the refugees in the assistance
Since 2015, thousands of refugees have been given a home in Rotterdam. Four have found a paid job, 95 percent live on benefits. "They are busy integrating."

Over the past two years, the city has given 2,429 asylum seekers a home, 80 more than required by law. Next year the city will need 80 less. Of those 2,429, 95 percent live on benefits. Together they form almost 5 percent of the total number of people receiving assistance in Rotterdam.

That 95 percent is indeed something to be scared of, says Jaco Dagevos, professor of integration and migration at Erasmus University Rotterdam, who works at the Social and Cultural Planning Office. Just like the national average of 90 percent. Although those percentages are easily explained, he says. "Status holders are very busy learning the language, integrating, family reunification and getting their finances in order."

Municipalities fall short of millions to pay social assistance benefits. The amount they receive from central government to financially support the unemployed is too low. No account is taken of the growth in the number of social assistance recipients due to the large flow of refugees in 2015 and 2016.

WAJONG WELLFARE
And what to think about this, the WAJONG wellfare is the highest wellfare you get in Holland. You get it for life and mostly for handicapt people and people who has Down syndrome etcetra,. No need to find a job, you get it till you are 67, than you get a pension.

"Human rights activists have helped a traumatized status holder from Somalia to receive a Wajong benefit!

The first application was rejected. The refugee had to go to the municipality for a sober social assistance benefit. Only after the profession with the help of specialists and a lawyer did he ultimately become fully occupationally disabled and have no work capacity!

The benefit of the Wajong: No strict rules, no capital limit, the benefit is higher than the assistance, no reintegration / job application obligation. And you don't have to work."

FAKE NEWS IMAGE BELOW>
https://www.welt.de/img/wirtschaft/m...r-Aufm-jpg.jpg
FAKE NUMBERS - FAKE NUMBERS

And this is what i know about Holland. About other countries i don't know how their system works. But i bet they get more money in the end than in that fake image.

I am in favour of helping people that need it, but not in this way. Now you might get an idea why people say 'enough is enough'.

DraX 06-26-2019 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1 (Post 22490923)
FAKE NUMBERS - FAKE NUMBERS

And this is what i know about Holland. About other countries i don't know how their system works. But i bet they get more money in the end than in that fake image.

I am in favour of helping people that need it, but not in this way. Now you might get an idea why people say 'enough is enough'.

So Thommy spreading fake information, how cute and all while blaming others of the same however I'm still waiting to be debunked. :1orglaugh

I can confirm that the Swedish numbers are WAY OFF.

Tasty1 06-26-2019 09:26 PM

Suddenly, after believing 5 years of fake news, people realised that the asylum seekers cost at least 10 times more, and 40 times more after family reunions… and 80% will never work... stupid, isn't it?

When the Geneva refugee contract was signed, there wasn't even a social security welfare system.

Even in Germany they get more money after they get there refugee status. Or are they letting them live in asylum centers for 5,10, 20 years with 350 euro

Tasty1 06-27-2019 05:25 AM

Merkel is shaking again. I give her maximum 6 months and than Europe can be happy she is gone.



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