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notinmybackyard · 05-31-2019, 03:13 AM

It's difficult finding a service station that sells the stuff, there's only 2 in my city.

But for fucksakes it's cheaper to fill up!

bronco67 · 05-31-2019, 06:02 AM

Don't you mean Freedom Fuel?

Bladewire · 05-31-2019, 06:18 AM

OP is a lying anonymous fake nic that also said he's moving to America after he buys a place in Florida... oh... and he's a "retired pornographer" with no links to his work anywhere ever.

RedFred · 05-31-2019, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

OP is a lying anonymous fake nic that also said he's moving to America after he buys a place in Florida... oh... and he's a "retired pornographer" with no links to his work anywhere ever.

Kind of sounds like that 'Sally Rand' character. Remember him?

Bladewire · 05-31-2019, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by RedFred

Kind of sounds like that 'Sally Rand' character. Remember him?

Yeah you're right he does.. flashback

Busty2 · 05-31-2019, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

OP is a lying anonymous fake nic that also said he's moving to America after he buys a place in Florida... oh... and he's a "retired pornographer" with no links to his work anywhere ever.

Just your typical everyday GFY member then ?

crockett · 05-31-2019, 07:23 AM

Why do you hate freedom

2MuchMark · 05-31-2019, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

converted one of my cars to Natural Gas

Really? Which one?

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Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

It's difficult finding a service station that sells the stuff, there's only 2 in my city.

Then why did you do it?

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Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

But for fucksakes it's cheaper to fill up!

How much cheaper?

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

with no links to his work anywhere ever.

Judging by the pictures in his sig, I'm thankful there are no links.

notinmybackyard · 05-31-2019, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco67

Don't you mean Freedom Fuel?

Eastbound and down!

Bladewire · 05-31-2019, 02:42 PM

↑↑↑ Alt-right hate fake nic

shake · 05-31-2019, 06:51 PM

Can you fill it up at your house? Maybe it has to be pressurized or something first.

notinmybackyard · 05-31-2019, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by shake

Can you fill it up at your house? Maybe it has to be pressurized or something first.

Yes it has to be pressurized.

The great thing about natural gas is that it's about 40% cheaper than gasoline.
For the hippies it's more than 90% cleaner than gasoline.

It burns just like gasoline and it's the same mileage and the same horsepower.

Also I now have a switch in my car that if I start to run out of natural gas I can switch back over to regular gasoline.

I decided to convert the one car because I"m moving to the States and I've got an idea about building a gassifier. With that I'm hoping I can use wood gas instead of nat gas.

bronco67 · 05-31-2019, 08:35 PM

We'll all be natural gas someday. Imagine NotinmyBackYard flying through the air gap in your spark plug to be the catalyst for the explosion which drives the piston that turns the crankshaft which spins the wheel that takes you to the grocery store to buy food for your family.

Unless we're all driving electric cars.

notinmybackyard · 06-01-2019, 05:38 AM

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Unless we're all driving electric cars.

1. Natural gas is cheaper than electricity.

2. Electric batteries lose their power even when they're NOT in use

3. Recharging electric cars takes time

4. Gasoline cars are easy to convert and there's 100+ years worth of automotive and internal combustion technology supporting them.

VRPdommy · 06-01-2019, 06:19 AM

You can buy most any CNG conversion kit you want on ebay.
Some vehicles may need extra computer hardware to help with deceleration but not many.
The price of a CNG tank will be the biggest part of the cost.
Fuel injection engines are easy to convert.

2MuchMark · 06-01-2019, 06:22 AM

Blocking me just proves to everyone else that you can't handle anyone with different viewpoints or vthat disagree with your own preconceived notions, or have the strength to make your point. Block others also just keeps you inside your own Bubble which everyone on GFY knows is not healthy. Come on dude I thought you were tougher than that!

Assuming you're just pretending to block me:

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Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

The great thing about natural gas is that it's about 40% cheaper than gasoline.

Price of natural gas rises and falls with the price of oil.

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Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

For the hippies it's more than 90% cleaner than gasoline.

Partially true. Natual gas cars emit less than gasoline, but they still emit hydrocarbons, oxides of nitrogen (NOx), carbon monoxide (CO), as well as carbon dioxide (CO2). Due to increasingly stringent emissions regulations, there is less difference between tailpipe emissions benefits from natural gas vehicles (NGVs) and conventional vehicles with modern emissions controls. https://afdc.energy.gov/vehicles/nat...emissions.html

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I decided to convert the one car because I"m moving to the States

Which State?

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and I've got an idea about building a gassifier. With that I'm hoping I can use wood gas instead of nat gas.

Lol Not efficient.

If you want to drive as cheap as possible, buy an electric car and move to Washington where electricity is only 4.37 cents per kWh. https://247wallst.com/technology-3/2...t-electricity/ or just stay home in Quebec and pay only 6.08 cents per kWh Rate D | Hydro-Québec

VRPdommy · 06-01-2019, 08:08 AM

The simple fact is that CNG contains no road tax.
It does make it 'cost efficient' in most areas.
If you do it to help the environment. You may not be really helping much.
If you do it to help diversify fuels we use for transportation, you are helping a lot.

I am of the ''all the above" approach group to break the concentration of the power of energy in the marketplace.

Better things will come. At present, we have a over abundance of natgas that we are liquefying and exporting so it makes sense we use a good bit of it at home.

If they could only break that price barrier for methane fuel cells we would have a great alternative in electric vehicles.

notinmybackyard · 06-01-2019, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by VRPdommy

The price of a CNG tank will be the biggest part of the cost.
Fuel injection engines are easy to convert.

Absolutely correct!
And I'm figuring that I'm paying about 40% less to fill up.

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If you do it to help the environment. You may not be really helping much.

Well I'm not an expert but I was told that Nat Gas is 90% to 97% cleaner than gasoline.

I imagine that if the car is well maintained it's probably going to be closer to that 97% cleaner. Whereas a poorly maintained car is going to be a lot dirtier.

VRPdommy · 06-01-2019, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

Well I'm not an expert but I was told that Nat Gas is 90% to 97% cleaner than gasoline.

I imagine that if the car is well maintained it's probably going to be closer to that 97% cleaner. Whereas a poorly maintained car is going to be a lot dirtier.

Don't write more in on that vague statement than what is there. It is a incomplete statement because they are not telling you what they are measuring and what 'cleaner' means.

All hydrocarbons combust similarly with water being the number one output (seen as steam or water vapor).
If gasoline does not burn efficiently, and not getting enough O2, you may get many other compounds created as with any fuel source like coal, wood or oil. Of course coal may have sulfur and mercury to make many other compounds in the inefficient burn.

The simple diagram I showed with methane (nat gas) is one of the most basic form of combustion, second only to hydrogen. Piped natgas is not pure methane, so while it looks good in theory, it is not as well in the real life.

Everything just is not as it appears sometimes or how they 'sell it'.
But I find it a avenue we should be using. And here in the states, they are with FLEET vehicles and even semi/tractor-trailers with natgas and 20% diesel. But someone in the industry does not want this to be consumer level. Go figure.

edit: I figure if it still moves to consumer level in the aftermarket, they will find some way to regulate the costs higher.

Grapesoda · 06-02-2019, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

It's difficult finding a service station that sells the stuff, there's only 2 in my city.

But for fucksakes it's cheaper to fill up!

how is the millage, I had read less MPG

Grapesoda · 06-02-2019, 06:57 AM

[QUOTE=2MuchMark;22478593]Blocking me just proves to everyone else that you can't handle anyone with different viewpoints or vthat disagree with your own preconceived notions, or have the strength to make your point.

you mean like the constant barrage of nasly vulgar comments about..well ... everyone that doesn't agree with you? like that mr mark? help me I'm confused by your comment.

Grapesoda · 06-02-2019, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco67

Don't you mean Freedom Fuel?

yup, just like the obama phone. the sisters from south central all have one

notinmybackyard · 06-02-2019, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

how is the millage, I had read less MPG

So far I haven't noticed a difference but I've only been doing city driving.

But I've got a 6 hour drive ahead of me tomorrow so I'll let you know. Even if the milage is a little less the savings that pump are fantastic. I've paid 40% less to fill up.

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Originally Posted by VRPdommy

Don't write more in on that vague statement than what is there. It is a incomplete statement because they are not telling you what they are measuring and what 'cleaner' means.

I'm not a chemist of any kind but I do know a lot about cars.

By the 1990s emissions control pretty much became a practiced art form by most car manufacturers. The emissions are extremely low on any properly maintained car built after 1993. So any fuel that's cleaner than gasoline that's put into a car built in the last 25 years is going to be a totally environmentally friendly machine.

Nat Gas is super easy to manufacture and contain. It's much more practical alternative to gasoline than any other fuel/power source currently available.

Plus the technology is already here... It does not need another 2 decades of research before it becomes reliable.

2MuchMark · 06-02-2019, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

you mean like the constant barrage of nasly vulgar comments about..well ... everyone that doesn't agree with you? like that mr mark? help me I'm confused by your comment.

Me? Vulgar? Fuck you!

And no, never against people who disagree with me. In fact I think its important to talk to those you disagree with as I tend to like having my own beliefs challenged. I think its good for me.

As for NotInMyBackYard, I think he's bullshitting. I don't think he has converted (any of) his car(s?) and I don't think he has any plans to move to the US. Call it a hunch, but I'm calling bullshit on him and on this thread.

candyflip · 06-03-2019, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

OP is a lying anonymous fake nic that also said he's moving to America after he buys a place in Florida... oh... and he's a "retired pornographer" with no links to his work anywhere ever.

You're no different, hiding behind a mask and all.

Constant Phil · 06-03-2019, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

So far I haven't noticed a difference but I've only been doing city driving.

But I've got a 6 hour drive ahead of me tomorrow so I'll let you know. Even if the milage is a little less the savings that pump are fantastic. I've paid 40% less to fill up.

I'm not a chemist of any kind but I do know a lot about cars.

By the 1990s emissions control pretty much became a practiced art form by most car manufacturers. The emissions are extremely low on any properly maintained car built after 1993. So any fuel that's cleaner than gasoline that's put into a car built in the last 25 years is going to be a totally environmentally friendly machine.

Nat Gas is super easy to manufacture and contain. It's much more practical alternative to gasoline than any other fuel/power source currently available.

Plus the technology is already here... It does not need another 2 decades of research before it becomes reliable.

There is an equal amount of energy in natural gas as there is in traditional fuel. Your gas mileage will remain about the same but you will save a lot on the backend since it's a cheaper fuel

Much better than E85/Flex Fuel where you save $$ but end up getting worse MPG (about 65-70% what you would with regular octane)...ends up almost being a wash

notinmybackyard · 06-08-2019, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

how is the millage, I had read less MPG

I've been driving on nat gas for a bit and I've done a couple of 8 hour road trips. Honestly I can't tell the difference. If there is less millage then it's so small of a difference that it's negligible.

The biggest problem is finding places to fill up. I had to actually google where to find stations.

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Originally Posted by candyflip

You're no different, hiding behind a mask and all.

He adds nothing to any conversation and he doesn't appear to be doing business with anyone. (Perhaps he's talking in private)

VRPdommy · 06-08-2019, 06:48 AM

Buy a extra tank.
and if you have gas pipe at home, and while they are expensive, a compressor for natgas.
Not the same as a air compressor (non-sparking/non-Ferris).
Economy may be found if not pumping to a full 3000psi but 1500psi.
That would lower the price of the compressor.
Something to explore for economy in your local.
But it may surprise you what it costs to run one of those compressors in electric.
Weigh your options.

05-31-2019, 03:13 AM	#1
notinmybackyard Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 3,230	converted one of my cars to Natural Gas It's difficult finding a service station that sells the stuff, there's only 2 in my city. But for fucksakes it's cheaper to fill up!

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bronco67 Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 29,032	We'll all be natural gas someday. Imagine NotinmyBackYard flying through the air gap in your spark plug to be the catalyst for the explosion which drives the piston that turns the crankshaft which spins the wheel that takes you to the grocery store to buy food for your family. Unless we're all driving electric cars. __________________

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Bladewire StraightBro Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Monarch Beach, CA USA Posts: 56,229	OP is a lying anonymous fake nic that also said he's moving to America after he buys a place in Florida... oh... and he's a "retired pornographer" with no links to his work anywhere ever.

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06-01-2019, 06:19 AM	#15
VRPdommy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 11,669	You can buy most any CNG conversion kit you want on ebay. Some vehicles may need extra computer hardware to help with deceleration but not many. The price of a CNG tank will be the biggest part of the cost. Fuel injection engines are easy to convert.

06-01-2019, 08:08 AM	#17
VRPdommy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 11,669	The simple fact is that CNG contains no road tax. It does make it 'cost efficient' in most areas. If you do it to help the environment. You may not be really helping much. If you do it to help diversify fuels we use for transportation, you are helping a lot. I am of the ''all the above" approach group to break the concentration of the power of energy in the marketplace. Better things will come. At present, we have a over abundance of natgas that we are liquefying and exporting so it makes sense we use a good bit of it at home. If they could only break that price barrier for methane fuel cells we would have a great alternative in electric vehicles.

06-02-2019, 06:57 AM	#21
Grapesoda So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Montana Posts: 46,238	[QUOTE=2MuchMark;22478593]Blocking me just proves to everyone else that you can't handle anyone with different viewpoints or vthat disagree with your own preconceived notions, or have the strength to make your point. you mean like the constant barrage of nasly vulgar comments about..well ... everyone that doesn't agree with you? like that mr mark? help me I'm confused by your comment.

06-08-2019, 06:48 AM	#28
VRPdommy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 11,669	Buy a extra tank. and if you have gas pipe at home, and while they are expensive, a compressor for natgas. Not the same as a air compressor (non-sparking/non-Ferris). Economy may be found if not pumping to a full 3000psi but 1500psi. That would lower the price of the compressor. Something to explore for economy in your local. But it may surprise you what it costs to run one of those compressors in electric. Weigh your options.