Democrats to bring contempt of Congress charges against Barr

They dont have to wait that long to jail him. It's the same as being in Contempt of Court a judge can order you jailed at that very moment. Same thing here.

I love it.

Drip drip drip...

Any day now..

Sorry. I meant to say it took two years for Eric Holder to turn over the papers that he was held in contempt for not providing.

Yes they can and will drag it out but I'm pretty sure once Muller goes on TV to state Barr lied to the American people and that Trump very much obstructed justice then Republicans will have nothing left to defend.

Also the House can impeach Barr and remove him. He is also now under ethics investigation so he's finished career wise.

He can drag it out but he's pretty much a dead man walking. He will also certainly be de Barred and lose his ability to even be a lawyer.

He has committed career suicide and will never see the inside of a court room again unless he's the defendant. It's a good chance he loses all his govt benefits as well..

You really think that's going to happen (Muller goes on TV to state Barr lied to the American people)? Mueller is friends with Bill Barr. Mueller was pissed at the way the news represented the findings, not the way Barr did.

You guys have seriously deluded yourselves so much that you actually think Mueller testifying will be in your benefit.

Interesting. I did not know this. I just read about it.

This due to his refusal to turn over documents related to the "Fast & Furious" operation. This operation was started during the Bush administration, and Republicans then tried to pin it on Obama and the Obama administration. From what little I've read, Holder testified in front of Congress saying he knew about the operation in a certain date range, but it was possible that there was memos sent by Holder that indicated he knew about it before the date range he testified.

This was obvious partisan attack that served no purpose. When Holder officially knew of the operation is of little concern to anyone; He didn't order the operation and assumed control of the operation after the fact. This was a Republican operation started under a Republican president, that was handed over when Obama took office. Republicans tried to use it to make Democrats look bad. If I remember correctly Vendzilla came to GFY and posted about it, and got laughed at.

With that said, no one in the federal government can deny or ignore a subpoena. This is not something that is open to discussion or debate, even when it is used for a obvious partisan attack. Even worse, Holder tried to "negotiate" the terms of the subpoena.

When a subpoena is issued it must be obeyed. If not.... Someone should go to jail. It should be automatic. If a subpoena says "turn over documents by this date" and requested documents are not turned over, someone needs to go jail and remain in jail until the subpoena is met. Same with testifying - If someone is ordered to testify through a subpoena and they do not show up, they should go straight to jail. This is not open debate or discussion - ever.

This was wrong when Holder did it under Obama. It's wrong now with the White House ignoring multiple subpoenas.

So Obama had nothing to do with it? It didn't continue when he took office?

Mueller gave Trump Jr. and others a pass for breaking the law. I was always raised with the saying that ignorance of the law is no defense.

Mueller admitted Trump Jr broke the law but gave him a pass saying he was too stupid to realize it. And you think Mueller's on the side of justice?

You seriously think someone like Mueller who is personal friends with Bill Barr is someone to be trusted?

Look at all of Trumps people they pleaded guilty and got no jail time.

I wouldn't get too excited about Mueller testifying I think it's going to be very anticlimactic and not very fruitful. I hope I'm wrong but that's what I'm betting on.

Barrs FBI security detail won't all Barr to be arrested.

The next step in the cover up is to find any way possible to stop Mueller from testifying. Once he exposes that Barr's politically slanted interpretation is misleading, the charade will be over. But at least they milked a few weeks out of it.

The truth has to come out eventually(and the White House knows this), but I can see how it would make sense to them to delay it as long as possible. The same thing happened to Nixon, although what he did is like jaywalking compared to this administration.

Yes both Robbie & Vendildo ranted and raved about Fast and Furious but were too stupid to understand it was started by Bush Jr.. They of course only knew what Fox news told them...

Trump is tweeting now that Muller shouldn't be aloud to testify.. Oh really I thought Muller absolved him.....

You do not get it !!!!

You see, Trump is innocent : no collusion , no obstruction ....

Trump has the most transparent administration, ever ... So if Mueller testifies , it will absolve Trump and add a win .

But Trump cares about everyone, and he has said that people would be tired of all that winning ....

So he prevents Mueller from testifying to not upset us with another win ....

All 6 Democrats refused to read the lesser unredacted version.. As usual nothing but whining and stomping their feet.


Those idiots are playing with fire. I got my marsh mellows ready.

This is hilarious.

Saint Mueller failed to deliver the goods.

The Democrats are losing their minds.

Trump is cakewalking into a 2020 landslide victory.

The entire Mueller report was all all about collusion and obstruction. It was 400 pages of details about how the Trump campaign worked directly with the Russians, and how they obstructed justice at every chance they got.

As polls stand right now, Trump loses to every Democratic candidate.

At this point Trump would lose to a dead John McCain...

I don't think they've let that sink in yet

You do know that if he obeys the subpoena he'll be breaking the law because he can't legally release the "unredacted" report.

Here's some advice:
What you need is a blowjob! Stop worrying about Trump and go get your cock sucked. It can be a woman, a man or you can smear bacon grease on your pecker and let the dog blow you. It doesn't matter what you chose just get a blow job and get your mind off of this bullshit conspiracy theory about Trump.

he didn't fail to deliver the goods. It's all there. Everything needed to get Trump out of office.

It's just that Barr pretended there was nothing there and hoped everyone would go along with it. Mueller testifying will blow up their plan because I'll bet he's not too happy about his 2 years of work being used as a political prop...and poorly I might add.

Remember that Mueller & Barr have been personal friends for like 20 years. Mueller's wording in his report was purposely gray. Mueller took a full paragraph to say what amounted to "if it wasn't for doj policy I would be indicted Trump" I think he purposely did that to help Trump.

Remember these are all Republicans investigating Republicans and a lot of Republicans got plea deals that give them no jail time and what do we have to show for it?

I hope I'm wrong & Mueller surprises me.

You're such a fucking idiot.

When servers, laptops, computers and phones were subpoenaed for Hillary Clinton and she was to turn them all over in tact, and to preserve all data,... she instead began deleting data and destroyed phones and computers with hammers and tried to erase hard drives on the mail server with the intent that nothing be recoverable.

Now you're arguing she belongs in jail as a direct result of her intention ignoring of a subpoena and then destroying evidence, as so many have been trying to tell you for so fucking long.

Yep just like when Pres. Obama's Attorney General Eric Holder refused to give documents to the House. He too, was found in contempt of Congress.

And remember? He went to jail.

Oh wait a minute...that's right. He didn't. Because Congress is the LEGISLATIVE branch and has no power to put people in jail. Only the Dept. Of Justice (under the Executive branch) can do that.

And just like the DOJ did NOT put their boss Eric Holder in jail...they will also NOT put their new boss William Barr in jail.

One day Rochard will educate himself...
Nah, he never will.

^^ They call it delusion collusion for a very good reason

You're a idiot Robbie....


The most common method used by Congress has been criminal contempt; a charge is a misdemeanor and punishable by jail time of between a month and a year and a fine.

It's not often but people do get sent to jail...


The last one was (who was jailed)A there have been other held in contempt but not jailed.


Rita Lavelle (Republican),
EPA official

April 26, 1983
House Committee on Energy and Commerce

House of Representatives


Indicted for lying to Congress; convicted; sentenced to 6 months in prison, 5 years probation thereafter, and a fine of $10,000




^^^^ Irony that it was another Republican who thought she was above the law and got sent to jail. In fact it's nearly the exact precident she lied under oath and refused to provide supeaned documents...


https://www.washingtonpost.com/archi...=.957b4c789cc6




House Finds Rita Lavelle in Contempt
By Cass Peterson May 19, 1983
The House of Representatives voted 413 to 0 yesterday to hold former Environmental Protection Agency official Rita M. Lavelle in contempt of Congress for refusing to honor a subcommittee subpoena .

The contempt resolution, supported by 255 Democrats and 158 Republicans, was approved hours before the swearing in of new EPA Administrator William D. Ruckelshaus in what President Reagan called "a new beginning" for the troubled agency.

Reagan pledged his "total support" to Ruckelshaus, confirmed by the Senate Tuesday in a 97-to-0 vote as decisive in its endorsement as yesterday's House vote was in its condemnation.

Lavelle, head of the EPA's hazardous waste division until she was fired by Reagan in February, is the second of Reagan's EPA appointees cited for contempt during an investigation of the $1.6 billion "Superfund" hazardous waste cleanup law.


In December, former EPA administrator Anne M. Burford was held in contempt on a 259-to-105 vote for failing to turn over agency documents relating to the Superfund. The documents have since been released, but the citation of Burford has not been resolved.

Burford was obeying a presidential order to withhold the documents. Lavelle claimed no such order, and the overwhelming vote against her came after an hour-long debate in which not one member rose to Lavelle's defense.

The Justice Department is also considering whether to impanel a grand jury to investigate allegations that Lavelle and former EPA general counsel Robert M. Perry perjured themselves in testimony.

The resolution approved yesterday will be forwarded to the Justice Department for presentation to a federal grand jury. Justice declined to refer the Burford contempt citation to a grand jury, saying the matter was in dispute because of Reagan's claim of executive privilege over the documents.


A spokesman in the U.S. attorney's office here said yesterday that the office would decide what to do with the Lavelle citation when it has the document in hand.

House Energy and Commerce Committee members contended yesterday that Lavelle's testimony is essential to their inquiry into allegations of impropriety at the EPA.

But the lopsided vote appeared to stem more from arguments that Lavelle's action posed a grave threat to congressional authority.

Democratic representatives rose one after another to accuse Lavelle of "violating a public trust" and committing an act of "arrogance and defiance" that compromised the ability of Congress to oversee laws it enacts.

Rep. Bob Whittaker (R-Kan.), the only Republican to enter the debate, urged the House to approve the contempt citation as a "strong signal" that Congress will not tolerate such behavior. "This is not a referendum on EPA policy," he said. "It is the issue of our constitutional prerogatives to have oversight authority."


The citation stemmed from Lavelle's refusal to appear before an Energy and Commerce subcommittee March 21, in defiance of a subpoena given her Feb. 23.

"She alone . . . has refused to cooperate with the subcommittee," said Rep. Albert Gore Jr. (D-Tenn.), who called Lavelle's failure to appear an "act of defiance to the legitimate authority of Congress. No one person can be above the law."

Lavelle told the Associated Press yesterday that she hopes for "a quick resolution so I can get on with my life," and said she does not expect to be indicted for contempt.

Her attorney, James J. Bierbower, said again that she is willing to testify but has been unable to review documents held by the subcommittee.

Conviction on a contempt charge, a misdemeanor, carries a maximum penalty of one year in jail and a $1,000 fine. Energy and Commerce Chairman John D. Dingell (D-Mich.) requested a perjury prosecution of Lavelle in March, citing evidence that Lavelle learned of a potential conflict of interest involving her former employer, Aerojet General Corp., in late May, 1982.

Lavelle told Dingell's oversight subcommittee that she did not know about Aerojet's involvement in a California hazardous waste dump until June 17 that year.

The same month, Rep. Edward J. Markey (D-Mass.), a subcommittee member, asked Justice to investigate testimony by former general counsel Perry, who testified that he knew nothing about a so-called "green book" allegedly kept to rate his subordinates. Markey cited evidence that the book was kept by Perry's staff, with Perry's knowledge.



It's funny how Reagan also ordered his staff not to comply with subpoena... Imagine if Republicans spent all the effort they spend trying to cover up their crimes actuallly running the govt instead.....


...but...but..buuuuu crooked Hillary....

Upon adopting a House or Senate resolution authorizing the execution of an arrest warrant by that chamber’s Sergeant-at-Arms, the individual alleged to have engaged in contemptuous conduct is taken into custody and brought before the House or Senate. A hearing or “trial” follows in which allegations are heard and defenses raised.

If judged guilty, the House or Senate may then direct that the witness be detained or imprisoned until the obstruction to the exercise of legislative power is removed

That's a bullshit argument being pushed by Fox news... talking heads...


The house committe can damn sure see the full report.. Barr can legally give it to them, he's attempting to abuse his power to say no. There is no law stopping him from handing over the full report right this minute... It 100% bullshit that he can't legally turn it over...



The rules that govern disclosures from the grand jury give the most authority to the Justice Department.


They outline how in several circumstances "an attorney for the government" can give grand jury information to help other criminal investigations and even share grand jury information with intelligence or national security officials if the matter involves foreign intelligence agencies.

So, under that part of the rule, if Congress needed secret parts of the Mueller report for intelligence considerations, Barr could choose to disclose those to members. No court needed there.

Under "the national security/foreign intelligence exception to grand jury secrecy, the attorney general can provide grand jury information to the chairs of the House Intelligence and Judiciary committees without asking for court permission," Ted Boutrous, a First Amendment litigator who recently asked a federal court for information in a grand jury case related to Mueller, wrote on Twitter Tuesday.

Each Republican administration tries to out do the previous Republican administrations corruptness.

Doesn't it say right in the Constitution that Congress has the right to request any tax form they wish? Wasn't this added to the Constitution for exactly this purpose?

Republicans don't think anything exists past the 2nd amendment.. They don't care about the Constitution only the 2nd amendment.

Judge declines to hold Holder in contempt

A federal judge has declined a House committee's bid to have Attorney General Eric Holder held in contempt of court — and perhaps even jailed — for failing to turn over documents related to the Justice Department' s response to Operation Fast and Furious.

https://www.politico.com/blogs/under...ontempt-196650

Congress itself DID hold him in "Contempt Of Congress"...which is basically toothless.
And as you posted...a judge said the whole thing was stupid to try and hold him in "contempt of court".

As a side note to all the delusional Trump-Haters:
The DOJ has NEVER given Congress those records that Holder withheld to this very day.

And quite frankly...I think it's bullshit.
Obviously the Democrats want the "unredacted" Mueller report so they can gather opposition research on Trump for the 2020 election.

But having said that...the DOJ is a fucking deep state operation. No matter who is President, they seem to do whatever they want with nobody having any authority over them.

If the House wants documents...then the DOJ should hand them over. No matter what political side you are on, that is just the way it should be.
The Congress are our elected representatives.

And the bureaucrats in the DOJ are unelected.

They need to bend to the will of Congress...period.

Robbie calls other people delusional...


Robbie denies Global warming, he thinks Obama was a Muslim, he claimed Hillary gave stand down orders during the Benghazi attacks. On the rare occasions he did believe in global warming he believed that plankton would fix it because some random scientist wrote a paper saying some plankton eat carbon..

Robbie still thinks there was no Russian attack on our election, think Trump had no Russian connections.. It's all fake news he says..

Yet everyone else is delusional...

They want the unredacted copy so they know what other investigations are ongoing... As in non-Trump investigations. The classified info has already been unredacted and they can go see that right now but have refused to do so.. What they want is pending Grand Jury info.

Yeah, and they know that is illegal to give out Grand Jury info.
It's all political.

They just want opposition stuff on Trump and anyone related to the Mueller investigation in the hopes of further embarrassing Trump.

Pretty shitty. And the exact same people who spoke out against this in the past (Nadler and Pelosi) are now 100% for doing it. All political.

But again, having said that...Congress are the elected officials. The DOJ is not.
If we are truly a representative govt. of the people and by the people as our founding fathers stated...then the DOJ should go ahead and give Congress anything they want.
UNLESS...Pres. Trump declares Executive Privilege.

If the President declares Executive Privilege then that is our elected President making that decision for his own branch of govt.

As I said...WE THE PEOPLE elect our leaders. We don't elect these DOJ, FBI, CIA, NSA pieces of shit bureaucrats (not referring to the actual agents in the field).
No unelected bureaucrat should be able to tell our representatives "No" under any circumstance.

In other words: I voted for Trump. I plan on voting for him again.
BUT...even if it embarrasses him and gives his opposition ammunition against him...I believe that unless he declares Executive Privilege (as is his right), the DOJ should comply with whatever requests Congress makes of them.