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  • Paul Markham
    Too old to care
    • Jun 2001
    • 52942

    #16
    The notion of any country in the 21st century standing alone is stupid. Countries now trade with each other, people visit each other and the Internet proves we are all citizens of the world.

    However a country should be able to rule itself and let only it's own citizens choose it's own leaders.



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    • pimpmaster9000
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      • Dec 2011
      • 26732

      #17
      Originally posted by Paul Markham

      However a country should be able to rule itself and let only it's own citizens choose it's own leaders.
      the USA will make SURE this does not happen its the US puppet or war...there is no 3rd option
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      • Struggle4Bucks
        Sieg Hi!
        • May 2011
        • 3615

        #18
        Originally posted by Paul Markham
        True. And I've stated many times Europe should spend more on defending itself.

        However we did get dragged into illegal and unnecessary wars by the US.
        28 decentralized shitty tiny armies.... LOL
        While the rest of the world is upscaling!
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        • thommy
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          • Jun 2003
          • 5469

          #19
          Originally posted by crucifissio
          the USA will make SURE this does not happen its the US puppet or war...there is no 3rd option
          THIS is exactly it.

          after a hard brexit there is not much left for the UK to survive.

          china = world´s number 1 economy - nobody can live without them
          USA = worlds number 3 (soon number 4) with an america first policy

          the interests of this both will never be britain as the EU is a 10 times bigger market.

          so all they can do is to be slaves of this 2.

          america will force them into wars and china will buy all their big companies step by step.
          the profits of this sales will be bunkered in the future tax oasis UK but as there is nothing to invest, this money will flow into the EU to invest it there.

          as sad as the whole story is, it also has its good sides. because the beer table economists will finally feel on their own bodies how the laws of the economy work.
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          • NatalieK
            Natalie K
            • Apr 2010
            • 20106

            #20
            Originally posted by Bjorn_Tasty1
            Dutch fleet invaded the Thames and Medway rivers and on 12 June captured the uncommissioned Royal Charles,[1] removing her with great skill to Hellevoetsluis in the United Provinces. The Dutch did not take her into naval service because it was considered that she drew too much water for general use on the Dutch coast. Instead the Royal Charles was permanently drydocked near Hellevoetsluis as a tourist attraction,
            what a waste of a ship, just to keep the pieces from the theft...


            so generally speaking, it wasn´t war, the dutch are just the usual thieves



            Anyway, the new ships, the Elizabeth & the new war ship being built at the moment, they should both be killer and with all the planes for the skies and probably many rail guns and laser cannons on the war, I think Britain should be able to handle its own.


            Besides, shall we not forget, Britain has 4 maybe 5 US bases over its ass. RAF Lakenheath, full of US air force & RAF Chicksands, just outside Shefford, a intelligence base & full of US air force....

            I don´t think Britain would be alone, if Britain was invaded, the US would probably be shooting down the opponents quicker than the Brits
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            • Paul Markham
              Too old to care
              • Jun 2001
              • 52942

              #21
              Originally posted by thommy
              THIS is exactly it.

              after a hard brexit there is not much left for the UK to survive.

              china = world´s number 1 economy - nobody can live without them
              USA = worlds number 3 (soon number 4) with an america first policy

              the interests of this both will never be britain as the EU is a 10 times bigger market.

              so all they can do is to be slaves of this 2.

              america will force them into wars and china will buy all their big companies step by step.
              the profits of this sales will be bunkered in the future tax oasis UK but as there is nothing to invest, this money will flow into the EU to invest it there.

              as sad as the whole story is, it also has its good sides. because the beer table economists will finally feel on their own bodies how the laws of the economy work.
              So why isn't the EU doing more to restrict China's growth? A massive embargo or ruling that China has to buy more from Europe or sell less would be great.

              Is having the EU worth losing democratic rights, worth all the benefits?

              As for economies. Nothing has harmed the economy of most British families worse than the massive influx of EU low skilled, non-skilled and unemployed labour.



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              • Paul Markham
                Too old to care
                • Jun 2001
                • 52942

                #22
                Here's the harsh truth about the EU popularity in Europe.

                The steady growth of anti-EU parties within Europe.
                The reluctance of other countries offering their citizens a referendum on continued membership to the EU.
                The fear that anything but a disastrous Brexit will trigger other countries to demand their referendum.

                And yet faced with all that the EU continues on it's course to dominate Europe. Look at the countries slotted to join. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future...#Summary_table

                Don't ignore Turkey, the EU still wastes money on trying to get Turkey in. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Access...European_Union

                Even more cheap labour flooding the Western EU States. Czech doesn't have this problem and is beneficiary of Free Movement.



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                • babeterminal
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                  • Jul 2010
                  • 2751

                  #23
                  rally guns, laser weapons, i think someone's had to much coca cola

                  those saying america are our allies what about Falklands war?

                  could war kick off over Gibraltar ? what side would the other European countries take? what agreements of old would still stand?

                  there has and will always be an irish agreement, the irish/english are in every commonwealth country, currently the americans and canadians are propping up UK police force with volunteers!!!!
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                  • Sarn
                    WW3
                    • Sep 2015
                    • 12405

                    #24
                    Originally posted by thommy
                    ...
                    CHINA = world´s number 1 economy - nobody can live without them
                    European Union = world´s number 2 economy (soon number 3 because Brexit)
                    USA = worlds number 3 (soon number 2 because Brexit too) with an america bad economy policy

                    so all they can do is to be slaves of this 3.
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                    I fix this a little))
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                    • thommy
                      Confirmed User
                      • Jun 2003
                      • 5469

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Paul Markham
                      So why isn't the EU doing more to restrict China's growth? A massive embargo or ruling that China has to buy more from Europe or sell less would be great.

                      did you read that they are the BIGGEST economy?

                      why should we hurt our biggest customer and deliverer for cheap parts ?

                      have you done that when you was a producer?

                      Is having the EU worth losing democratic rights, worth all the benefits?
                      do you know what democracy means?
                      it is the vote from the majority. all what the EU does is decided by votes.
                      that include UK votes. but if they want something what the rest not wants they have to accept it - THIS is called democracy.

                      UK was the country in the EU that paid less than any other country per head in compare to GDP. I can not understand why this "brit bonus" was ever given as it is unfair.
                      but obviously not unfair enough for the brexiteers.

                      As for economies. Nothing has harmed the economy of most British families worse than the massive influx of EU low skilled, non-skilled and unemployed labour.

                      why you talk bullshit ?

                      Go and put in on max and see what happend to the UK GDP since the EU


                      Look where is your unemplyement rate today

                      Look at the wages growth

                      the only disaster that britain (and nearly all other EU countries) faced was the 2008 crisis. low interest rates have led people to get into debt and live beyond their possibilities. nobody wasted a thought that they will be burdened later. and now they are used this good but borrowed life. the same thing will happen to the americans very soon as they do this shit since centuries.

                      the EU can not rule other countries UNFORTUNATELY !!!

                      is nothing more than a cartel in which joint action is taken according to agreements. through membership in the EU, the UK had the power of 500 million consumers and benefited enormously from this.

                      but of course woolen and have to benefit ALL the cartel members equally. only UK wanted more and that shows us that UK is not a team player and a UK first policy in a community that ensures their prosperity.

                      ask around in europe if someone really wants to have the brits.

                      nobody can hear the whining anymore and we can't wait for the day when the brits feel what they have done to themselves.

                      we will watch it with popcorn in hand while the brits would be happy if they found popcorn on the supermarket shelf.
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                      • thommy
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                        • Jun 2003
                        • 5469

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Sarn
                        I fix this a little))
                        you know the world is big and there are much more countries.

                        number 2 will be replaced from india within the next 5 years.

                        and this again means from china as they are already investing in all asia.

                        trump kills his own economy and tries to excuse that with the chinese trade war.
                        in real the imports from asia are higher than ever before. so americans trade with thailand, malaysia, india, pakistan, bangladesh and dealing with CHINESE companies there.

                        you guys and your knowledge about world economy is a joke.

                        what brits are doing is same as an army have a few strong guys.
                        one of them wants to fight alone - and yes this makes this army a bit weaker.
                        but do you really think this one guy will survive ?

                        if so you are just a stupid dreamer same as paul markham.
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                        • thommy
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                          • Jun 2003
                          • 5469

                          #27
                          Originally posted by babeterminal
                          rally guns, laser weapons, i think someone's had to much coca cola

                          those saying america are our allies what about Falklands war?

                          could war kick off over Gibraltar ? what side would the other European countries take? what agreements of old would still stand?

                          there has and will always be an irish agreement, the irish/english are in every commonwealth country, currently the americans and canadians are propping up UK police force with volunteers!!!!
                          you know what the sadest part is?

                          that we talk about possible wars and who will win it after such a long time of piece in europe.

                          this is the ugliest effect from all after people like trump came in power.
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                          • Sarn
                            WW3
                            • Sep 2015
                            • 12405

                            #28
                            Originally posted by thommy
                            you know the world is big and there are much more countries.

                            number 2 will be replaced from india within the next 5 years.

                            and this again means from china as they are already investing in all asia.

                            trump kills his own economy and tries to excuse that with the chinese trade war.
                            in real the imports from asia are higher than ever before. so americans trade with thailand, malaysia, india, pakistan, bangladesh and dealing with CHINESE companies there.

                            you guys and your knowledge about world economy is a joke.

                            what brits are doing is same as an army have a few strong guys.
                            one of them wants to fight alone - and yes this makes this army a bit weaker.
                            but do you really think this one guy will survive ?

                            if so you are just a stupid dreamer same as paul markham.
                            World big enough for Britain find trade partners, this is true. Defacto India still №4, but USA will be №2 after Brexit - it fact too. With army - USA will help UK be near №1 World power.
                            https://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.asp
                            Yes I think UK will survive.
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                            • Sarn
                              WW3
                              • Sep 2015
                              • 12405

                              #29
                              Originally posted by thommy
                              you know what the sadest part is?

                              that we talk about possible wars and who will win it after such a long time of piece in europe.

                              this is the ugliest effect from all after people like trump came in power.

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                              • Robbie
                                Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                                • Aug 2002
                                • 20960

                                #30
                                To the original question:
                                My guess is Britain will stand just the same way they did for hundreds of years before they joined the EU.
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