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03-24-2019, 02:28 PM

1. It is a relief to know that we don't have a POTUS in the White House that colluded with Russia to win the election.

2. We now know, beyond a doubt, Russia hacked into and tried to influence and interfere with the 2016 election. Hopefully we can stop pointing fingers and someone will do something that will help secure future elections to keep this from happening again.
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03-24-2019, 02:36 PM

3. We now know there's evidence of Trump obstructing justice and that he hasn't been exonerated, or found innocent, of that crime by the FBI. This means SDNY can open an investigation, gets Mueller's evidence, and indict Trump obstruction of justice charges.

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03-24-2019, 02:37 PM

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03-24-2019, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by kane

2. We now know, beyond a doubt, Russia hacked into and tried to influence and interfere with the 2016 election.

And you know the unfortunate aspect of that? Trump & the GOP will do absolutely nothing to protect 2020 elections, despite the fact the FBI has proven they influenced the 2016 elections.

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03-24-2019, 02:43 PM

If I told you Israel interfered with the US election, would it be of any concern? It was them who ensured Trump got into power, not Russia.

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03-24-2019, 03:52 PM

Originally posted by kane

1. It is a relief to know that we don't have a POTUS in the White House that colluded with Russia to win the election.

2. We now know, beyond a doubt, Russia hacked into and tried to influence and interfere with the 2016 election. Hopefully we can stop pointing fingers and someone will do something that will help secure future elections to keep this from happening again.

You're already seeing that #2 is nowhere near going to happen. But both points are great and logical.

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03-24-2019, 04:02 PM

Originally posted by kane

1. It is a relief to know that we don't have a POTUS in the White House that colluded with Russia to win the election.

2. We now know, beyond a doubt, Russia hacked into and tried to influence and interfere with the 2016 election. Hopefully we can stop pointing fingers and someone will do something that will help secure future elections to keep this from happening again.

The real threat is non-citizens casting votes in our election, not some Russian troll farm posting bladewire style comments. Let's get some voter ID laws on the books and stop the real interference.
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03-24-2019, 04:08 PM

Originally posted by Bladewire

3. We now know there's evidence of Trump obstructing justice and that he hasn't been exonerated, or found innocent, of that crime by the FBI. This means SDNY can open an investigation, gets Mueller's evidence, and indict Trump obstruction of justice charges.

I am wondering if that is the plan. Muller know that if he sent up the report saying "possible collusion" it would be fought over for the next two years and it will be difficult at best to indict him. Instead, give the tools and evidence to the states to let them push their cases.

I honestly believe no one is above the law. This includes the president. The idea that a sitting president cannot be indicted is wrong and illegal. There is no law that says a sitting president cannot be indicted.

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03-24-2019, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by OneHungLo

The real threat is non-citizens casting votes in our election, not some Russian troll farm posting bladewire style comments. Let's get some voter ID laws on the books and stop the real interference.

I have no problems with voters having to show ID. I do have a problem with the voter suppression shit that is almost always attached to voter ID laws.

All states should vote by mail. It's simple, it helps turnout, and it makes it very difficult to commit fraud.
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03-24-2019, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by Rochard

I am wondering if that is the plan. Muller know that if he sent up the report saying "possible collusion" it would be fought over for the next two years and it will be difficult at best to indict him. Instead, give the tools and evidence to the states to let them push their cases.

I honestly believe no one is above the law. This includes the president. The idea that a sitting president cannot be indicted is wrong and illegal. There is no law that says a sitting president cannot be indicted.

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03-24-2019, 04:24 PM

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I have no problems with voters having to show ID. I do have a problem with the voter suppression shit that is almost always attached to voter ID laws.

All states should vote by mail. It's simple, it helps turnout, and it makes it very difficult to commit fraud.

How do you even combat it when you have all these states giving out drivers licenses to illegals? All you need is an address to register (at least here in Massachusetts). You register and they tell you where to go, you go in to vote, tell them your name and address and go vote. Theres no ID and nothing to stop voter fraud.
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03-24-2019, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by kane

1. It is a relief to know that we don't have a POTUS in the White House that colluded with Russia to win the election.

2. We now know, beyond a doubt, Russia hacked into and tried to influence and interfere with the 2016 election. Hopefully we can stop pointing fingers and someone will do something that will help secure future elections to keep this from happening again.

We have not seen the Muller report. We've seen cherry picked talking points released by Barr a AG who called the Iran Conta affair a "with hunt".

We have still not seen Muller's report. Meaning all he said was Trump campaign did not talk directly to the Kremlin.. Re-read the words..

Barr's summary is very cherry picked..

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03-24-2019, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by OneHungLo

All you need is an address to register (at least here in Massachusetts). You register and they tell you where to go, you go in to vote, tell them your name and address and go vote. Theres no ID and nothing to stop voter fraud.

Why are you lying?

Either you're purposely lying or you don't know the voter ID laws in your own state.

Which is it?

Pollsters can ask for an ID at any time for a number of reasons in Massachusetts. It's mandatory for first time voters for instance.

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03-24-2019, 04:33 PM

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How do you even combat it when you have all these states giving out drivers licenses to illegals? All you need is an address to register (at least here in Massachusetts). You register and they tell you where to go, you go in to vote, tell them your name and address and go vote. Theres no ID and nothing to stop voter fraud.

In my state you must prove you are a citizen to register. Also, in my state, to get a drivers license you must show a birth certificate (or other accepted documents like military papers) proving you are a citizen. My mom, in her mid-70's no longer drives but had to renew her state ID. They made her track down her birth certificate in order to give her the ID card even though she has had an ID in this state since 1971.

You prove you are a citizen when you register then a few weeks before the election you ballot shows up in the mail. No citizenship, no registration, no voting. It's simple.

In the past several years there have been a total of fewer than 20 ballots that have been questioned for being possible fraud votes and in almost all of those cases it turned out the database just wasn't up to date and everything was fine.
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03-24-2019, 04:59 PM

Originally posted by OneHungLo

How do you even combat it when you have all these states giving out drivers licenses to illegals? All you need is an address to register (at least here in Massachusetts). You register and they tell you where to go, you go in to vote, tell them your name and address and go vote. Theres no ID and nothing to stop voter fraud.

Why are you lying? You can't vote just because you have a driver's licence. There are all types of foreign nationals who are here legally and have drivers licenses but that doesn't mean they can walk in and vote. So why on Earth would you think that means illegals can vote simply because they have a driver's licence..

Why do you lie so fucking much? You are like Trump every other word out of your mouth is a lie. You lie so much you fool yourself..

Trump's own committe found there was no wide spread illegal aliens voting.. Soon as they said that he disbanded the committee.. You are a fool..

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03-24-2019, 05:13 PM

It's interesting liberals don't care about scores of illegals voting (every black person I've ever known has ID, and honestly it's racist to think otherwise).

But the Russian bogeyman is a huge concern.

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03-24-2019, 05:14 PM

Originally posted by crockett

Why are you lying? You can't vote just because you have a driver's licence. There are all types of foreign nationals who are here legally and have drivers licenses but that doesn't mean they can walk in and vote. So why on Earth would you think that means illegals can vote simply because they have a driver's licence..

Why do you lie so fucking much? You are like Trump every other word out of your mouth is a lie. You lie so much you fool yourself..

Trump's own committe found there was no wide spread illegal aliens voting.. Soon as they said that he disbanded the committee.. You are a fool..

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/03/polit...nts/index.html

What's stopping an illegal who gets a drivers license from registering and voting?

And you're out of your mind if you really think illegals are not voting in our elections.

Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton discussed the facts about Illegal aliens voting in the United States. He said:

“In Texas, there were upwards of 100,000 aliens on the voting rolls who were not supposed to be there and 60,000 of them have been voting in elections over the years. In Pennsylvania, there was a number generated grudgingly by the Pennsylvania bureaucrats that were trying to cover it up that 11,000 aliens were on the voting rolls.”

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03-24-2019, 06:19 PM

Originally posted by OneHungLo

How do you even combat it when you have all these states giving out drivers licenses to illegals? All you need is an address to register (at least here in Massachusetts). You register and they tell you where to go, you go in to vote, tell them your name and address and go vote. Theres no ID and nothing to stop voter fraud.

I also live in Massachusetts. This is 100% truth. I never had to show any kind of ID in the last two elections.
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03-24-2019, 06:21 PM

Red Hats are now trying to distract from Muller report with illegals voting.

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03-24-2019, 06:24 PM

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In my state you must prove you are a citizen to register. Also, in my state, to get a drivers license you must show a birth certificate (or other accepted documents like military papers) proving you are a citizen. My mom, in her mid-70's no longer drives but had to renew her state ID. They made her track down her birth certificate in order to give her the ID card even though she has had an ID in this state since 1971.

You prove you are a citizen when you register then a few weeks before the election you ballot shows up in the mail. No citizenship, no registration, no voting. It's simple.

Man, i thought for sure that couldn't be true in Oregon, but sure enough! ...

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03-24-2019, 07:15 PM

Originally posted by kane

2. We now know, beyond a doubt, Russia hacked into and tried to influence and interfere with the 2016 election. Hopefully we can stop pointing fingers and someone will do something that will help secure future elections to keep this from happening again.

No you don't... That portion is to make you believe it was Russia that hacked Clinton and DNC.... But what they consider hacking and what you and I consider hacking are 2 different things... Hacking to them is clickbaiting on facebook.

We WILL find it wasn't Russia eventually.

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03-24-2019, 07:18 PM

Originally posted by crockett

Red Hats are now trying to distract from Muller report with illegals voting.

It's not like, say, grand juries and federal judges were involved in approving the 2,800 subpoenas, 500 search warrants, and 50 pen registers that resulted in 199 criminal charges against 37 individuals including 7 members of the campaign pleading or going to jail.

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03-24-2019, 07:44 PM

Originally posted by kane

2. We now know, beyond a doubt, Russia hacked into and tried to influence and interfere with the 2016 election. Hopefully we can stop pointing fingers and someone will do something that will help secure future elections to keep this from happening again.

THIS IS FALSE. There's no evidence Russia "hacked" the DNC email server. None whatsoever. The DNC refused to let the FBI examine the server. Also the top NSA guy confirmed it was NOT a hack, but an internal leak, copied to a flash drive:

A New Report Raises Big Questions About Last Year’s DNC Hack

decisive findings, made public in the paper dated July 9, concerned the volume of the supposedly hacked material and what is called the transfer rate—the time a remote hack would require. The metadata established several facts in this regard with granular precision: On the evening of July 5, 2016, 1,976 megabytes of data were downloaded from the DNC’s server. The operation took 87 seconds. This yields a transfer rate of 22.7 megabytes per second.

These statistics are matters of record and essential to disproving the hack theory. No Internet service provider, such as a hacker would have had to use in mid-2016, was capable of downloading data at this speed.

FURTHERMORE:

Senate report: No evidence that Russians changed vote tallies in 2016

So even if they attempted to influence the election thru some mysterious method that no one can explain, they were not successful. So after 2 years and 30 million dollars, there were no votes changed and Trump did nothing wrong. Nice job, Dems- way to tear the country apart over some bullshit.

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03-25-2019, 04:35 AM

Originally posted by Bladewire

3. We now know there's evidence of Trump obstructing justice and that he hasn't been exonerated, or found innocent, of that crime by the FBI. This means SDNY can open an investigation, gets Mueller's evidence, and indict Trump obstruction of justice charges.

Bladewire, a fake news company. Is soros still paying you? Are you going to be debriefed? Double down like when sitting on a big dildo?
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03-25-2019, 09:16 AM

Originally posted by OneHungLo

The real threat is non-citizens casting votes in our election, not some Russian troll farm posting bladewire style comments. Let's get some voter ID laws on the books and stop the real interference.

this is more click bait troll fodder.

do you read anything real ever? are you able to figure out the difference what troll feed and reality is?

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03-25-2019, 09:19 AM

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No you don't... That portion is to make you believe it was Russia that hacked Clinton and DNC.... But what they consider hacking and what you and I consider hacking are 2 different things... Hacking to them is clickbaiting on facebook.

We WILL find it wasn't Russia eventually.

No you ALREADY found out that Russia attempted hacking and attempted to interfere with the election, according to every faction of your national defence departments. What you DID find out that it wasn't proven to be worked with anyone internally.

That is a huge difference.

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03-25-2019, 09:41 AM

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I honestly believe no one is above the law. This includes the president. The idea that a sitting president cannot be indicted is wrong and illegal. There is no law that says a sitting president cannot be indicted.

As I've said before, president's in America don't go-to jail or get charged, neither do their immediate family. And the president pardons all his henchmen before leaving office. By the time Trump's out of office I wouldn't be surprised to see him pardon massive amounts of scum for white collar crimes and some of his racist supporters that mailed bombs and others that maimed or killed people.

A republican administration, with Republican appointees, has a Republican AG appoint a Republican special council and put us through 2 years of an investigation that results in sentences far below the recommended for 8 felonies, with one Republican judge saying the criminal was "a fine man" that lead an "otherwise blameless life,” .

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03-25-2019, 06:02 PM

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THIS IS FALSE. There's no evidence Russia "hacked" the DNC email server. None whatsoever. The DNC refused to let the FBI examine the server. Also the top NSA guy confirmed it was NOT a hack, but an internal leak, copied to a flash drive:

A New Report Raises Big Questions About Last Year’s DNC Hack

FURTHERMORE:

Senate report: No evidence that Russians changed vote tallies in 2016

So even if they attempted to influence the election thru some mysterious method that no one can explain, they were not successful. So after 2 years and 30 million dollars, there were no votes changed and Trump did nothing wrong. Nice job, Dems- way to tear the country apart over some bullshit.

There are idiots on both sides of this shitfest, but you seem incapable of thinking logically.

Is changing votes the only way to disrupt an election?

What if instead of changing someone's vote from A to B, I just don't let them vote at all? Or I make it more difficult than it should be.
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03-25-2019, 07:11 PM

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What if instead of changing someone's vote from A to B, I just don't let them vote at all? Or I make it more difficult than it should be.

I'm sorry, are you suggesting that Russia was able to prevent Americans from voting??

They bought some Facebook ads for fake Black Lives Matter and LBGT pages and organized Anti-Trump rallies. They didn't convince 83% of all US counties to vote for Trump.

Facebook finds Russian ads that sought to sow division during U.S. election

The giant social network says the ads that ran between June 2015 and May 2017 carried "divisive social and political messages across the ideological spectrum," touching on topics such as LGBT, race, immigration and gun rights, though most of them did not directly mention the election.

And the ad buy was only $100-150K. That's not very much at all.

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03-25-2019, 07:13 PM

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No you ALREADY found out that Russia attempted hacking and attempted to interfere with the election, according to every faction of your national defence departments. What you DID find out that it wasn't proven to be worked with anyone internally.

That is a huge difference.

You mean all those peeps who were fired for partaking in this "Russia collusion" scheme?

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03-26-2019, 02:40 AM

Originally posted by kane

1. It is a relief to know that we don't have a POTUS in the White House that colluded with Russia to win the election.

2. We now know, beyond a doubt, Russia hacked into and tried to influence and interfere with the 2016 election. Hopefully we can stop pointing fingers and someone will do something that will help secure future elections to keep this from happening again.

Number 1 is not really true. What's true is that Mueller couldn't find the direct evidence. But if we were to rate the collusion on a scale of 1 to 10 it would probably be a 7 or 8. Mueller had a threshold of 10.

They conspired together. There's so many dots out in the public which are easy to connect...those connections just won't hold up legally.
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03-26-2019, 06:39 AM

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Number 1 is not really true. What's true is that Mueller couldn't find the direct evidence. But if we were to rate the collusion on a scale of 1 to 10 it would probably be a 7 or 8. Mueller had a threshold of 10.

They conspired together. There's so many dots out in the public which are easy to connect...those connections just won't hold up legally.

Bronco- It didn't happen. You are a victim of the media's gaslighting. The report says there was no collusion. The entire concept is ridiculous. As if Putin could rig a US election- get real dude! You got hoaxed by CNN, WaPo, and other mainstream liars.

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