I asked for a refund BEFORE Boneprone said that docs would be available. After the original deal was apparently put back on the table, and after I'd had a chance to calm down and think about it, I decided to accept that offer. But again Sobe refuses to give me the docs. And you somehow twist that around so that I'm the one who's not honoring their word? :eek7

While Sobe was posting to this thread (ie I know that he was online) I sent him an ICQ saying that if he was not going to honor our agreement he should at least send my a refund by Paypal. He did not reply. Talk is cheap my friend. I will judge Sobe by his actions and his actions prove that he is not a man of his word.

well, to me ur doing some twisting too. according to your post sobe has agreed to give you the docs for the sets you paid for....but you keep saying he refuses to give you the docs....but you are talking about sets you havent even ordered yet. dont order them....take the 10 you got with docs and be happy.
at least that is how i see it. :2 cents:

jesus dude....pick an option and stay with it.
i'd say ur not a man of ur word either....you change your mind consistently from one hour to the next. if i were sobe i'd give you the docs for what you ordered and refuse to do business with you anymore.

I want him to honor our deal. If he is not prepared to do that I want a refund. So far he has given me neither. How fucking complicated is that?

In case I have missed something here, let me ask you this;
Have you contacted Sobe today and talked with him on ICQ asking for the refund he agreed to give you yeaterday? And when talking to him on ICQ, did he then refuse to give you your money back? Yes or no

I contacted him via ICQ while he was posting to this thread and he ignored my message.

http://www.koam.com/yir/dice.jpeg

*dice's girls voice* Sobe.. Sobee.. Sobeeee...
why won't you give me the docs.. why won't you take me anywhere... why won't you cuddle.. hold me..

we don't communicate.. TALK -- TO -- ME ...

Mybe he was busy paypaling you your cash and needed to stay focused. :winkwink:

I can pefectly understand why he don't feel like talking to you though, after all this.
Now if you on the other hand don't get your money back I'd say you have something to be upset about, and that would indeed make him look bad.

But not going through with the original agreement between you after all the back and forth on your part is just right imo. Let's not forget the fact that you did terminate that deal yourself when demanding that refund in your previous thread.

If Sobe had sent the refund when I first asked for it, this would all be over by now. But he didn't. The deal was later put back on the table (ie. Boneprone told him to give me the docs and Sobe *AGREED* to this arrangement!). Now when I try to proceed with this offer of sets + docs v2.0, he again refuses to provide docs. And when I try to contact him via ICQ offering to accept a refund he ignores me. Would you be happy with this scenario if you were in my shoes?

As I've already said;
The way I see it you ended the deal between you when you demanded a refund even after he agreed to give you the docs you wanted in the first place. In his last post in yesterdays thread he asked you to contact him on ICQ to get your refund sorted.

Instead of contacting him as he asked, you changed your mind again and started this thread. (you changed your mind after calming down as you said in your earlier post) You didn't even try ICQ'ing him until after he posted in this thread (cuz now you didn't want that refund anymore). I can fully understand that he ignores you now.

You ended your deal yourself. And having second thoughts you choose to call it all out over GFY in this thread in an attempt to get back that great offer you once had but chose to dropp. I don't balame you for wanting your 80 vids of whatever it was you were looking to buy, but that deal is over. Ended by you.

you ask
"Would you be happy with this scenario if you were in my shoes?"
If I were in your shoes I'd first of all handled this off the board. Good business isn't to air your dirty laundry in public like this. Secondly if I were offered the docs as you were yesterday, I'd take them and end it right there and then. (Your original goal remember)
If I've done like you and demand my money to be returned, I'd take that offer (as you were given it) and end it there, instead of changing my mind once more and post this thread....

To be honest I don't even know what I'm doing in this thread. I usually don't post anything related to topics. Just some crappy jokes and a bunch of smilies. Think I'll just go back to that for now. Peace :glugglug

Not particuarly, it is just making a very messy situation worse.

Sobe
Your offer of content for $5 was hurting the rest of the industry, glad to see you are putting it right again with this thread. Thanks. http://www.gofuckyourself.com/images.../xyxthumbs.gif

And I made it extremely clear that I did not want to talk to him, I just wanted the refund. He had my e-mail address, why didn't he just send me the money like I asked him to?

That is NOT correct. After Boneprone told me that the docs would be available I ICQ'd Sobe and said that I'd like to proceed with the deal (the transcript is posted in this thread). I started this thread when Sobe stated that he would not honor the agreement mediated by Boneprone.

I ended the deal because the sets are useless to me without documentation. When documentation was again offered to me, I said OK let's proceed. Why am I not entitled to accept an offer that has been put to me?

I have repeatedly offered to accept a refund. But a refund has not been forthcoming. It would have taken him 30-seconds to Paypal a refund to me, but he didn't. He keeps offering a refund, why doesn't he send it?

WHERE IS MY BRAIN... ARRRRGH!!!

http://www.fubarwebmastersadventures...e/DSC_2065.jpg

<img src="http://www.boners.com/content/789408.1.jpg">

Cause I spent it.:winkwink:

He's busy collecting pieces of his brain that he accidentally shat out after dinner.

sobe is a poor guy, but all the publicity sure will do him good.

Wouldnt a simple solution be to move all of your money from your current Paypal account.

Drop Paypal an email informing them of the transaction and that goods of an 'adult nature' were purchased from a merchant through Payapl?

Im pretty sure his acct would be closed down shortly after that at Paypal :thumbsup

Regards,

Lee

It must got blown away by that joint i have in the other hand. Lovely blue eyes though, pity they look vacant.
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/images.../1orglaugh.gif http://www.gofuckyourself.com/images.../1orglaugh.gif

Buying a last supper for Sobe's execution? :drinkup

I hate pointing out the obvious, but here you go;
Yesterday when documentation was offered to you, you refused to take it, cuz you'd changed your mind and kept demanding a refund. The refund was offered you but today you've changed your mind once more and want the deal to go forth as it was agreed upon in the beginning. And as you so clearly agree to, you ended that deal yourself......

What are you yapping on about? The deal was ended (by you)
Sobe don't have to honour shit anymore, cuz you've ended it yourself. Forget what he and you agreed upon in the begining cuz it means jack shit now. He dosen't want to do anymore buissnes with you, and who can really bame him.

From the ICQ transcript you posted:
(After changing you mind for god knows what time)
He's offered you the docs for the first 10 sets you bought, and even SOME of the docs if you still want the rest of the 80 sets you planned on purchasing them........

Sobe has been more than fair with you and offered you whatever you've demanded all the way, while you've gone back and forth on your various demands.

Make up your mind for gods sake. And just forget about ever getting your docs for all 80 sets, as you've so clearly ended that deal yourself. Take your ten docs, or take your refund and move on. :2 cents:

What the fuck are you smoking?

Sure, Sobe's "offered" plenty but he's delivered NOTHING!

Sobe offered 80 sets + docs. He refused to honor that deal.
Sobe offered a refund. I accepted. Sobe didn't send it.
Sobe again offered sets + docs. He didn't honor that deal either.

That's just total bullshit! I asked for a refund because Sobe reneged on a deal after he'd accepted my money. When Boneprone told me that the deal was back on the table, and after I'd had a chance to consider the deal, I ICQ'd Sobe to accept the offer. Now Sobe says he's not going to honor the deal Boneprone negotiated.

How is it that Boneprone and AaronM (Sobe's BP4L brothers) say that Sobe is out of line and should honor his word. Yet you keep on chiming-in trying to assert that I'm the dishonest one and Sobe is such a straight-up guy? What's your interest in this? Pappa = Sobe?

I think SobeGirl might be still confused with his SuperMpegs to realize what is happening..


Nothing like drama at 7:30AM !

I'm smoking Camel. How about you?

You're really amusing dude. The fact is that every time Sobe have offered you something you've already changed your mind and wanted someting else. That is more than once. How do you expect him to deliver something when you can't make up your damn mind? You've turned down all his offers. I suggest you read your previous thread once more and refresh your memory. And re-read this one too while your at it.

Fact is:
After consulting with Boneprone, Sobe agreed to give you the docs yesterday. BUT YOU REFUSED. YOU ended the deal, as you've admited in one of your previous posts in your thread.

If you had accepted what (you asked for and) were given back then this would already have been over and done with. Serriously. I have lost the sympathy I had for you yesterday. And the fact that you open a new thread starting all over again only makes you look pathetic imo.

"? What's your interest in this? Pappa = Sobe?" :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh
You're clearly not the sharpest tool in the shed.
I'm not Sobe. I have no personal interest or connection with SoBeGirl Video or whatever that company is called.
This is a public forum. You brought your shit here. I'll reply to anything I god damn want to. If I ever think I need your aproval on anything I want to do here, I'll send you a note in the mail.

And stop askin me "how come BP family.....Why do they.....Boneprone said...." I'm not in any way asociated with them, and I'm pretty sure they can all answer for themselves without consulting me in any way.

Don't worry though.
Keep up your whining and you'll probably get your 80 vids and docs by persuing this. Cry all you wan't, but I still think you've gotten more than your fair chances of setteling this.

I agree with what BigFrog said;
"jesus dude....pick an option and stay with it"

Groove, What a waste of time :^)))

Sobe is a good guy and you know him well.
You know his content is legit and you know it's a great deal.
Why go through all of this? Your just making yourself look childish and ignorant.
Your only perusing this because you want to play games instead
of doing what your good at. The $1,000 that you were going to pay for his sets was already lost in the time you wasted posting here.

Sobe is a good man, and has great content.
he will be in business for a long time. You have
helped him sell more content with your slams.

Understand this. Everyone makes mistakes.
You both equally fucked up here. I would guess
you know this is a great deal and you want the sets,
or you would not be perusing this further. Sobe would
be a complete moron to give you all of the docs. It's
not in his best interest. Also there is no reason for you to have them.

What you should do:
Buy the set's for the $1,000 and if you think there is a model
that is questionable in age he will provide the proof.
Other than that, you have no need for his documents.


Sobe is a good man and is respected in this industry.
Everyone has a few enemies but that does not make them bad people. Quit humping his leg and get back to work.

It's a pitty I can't say the same about you.

Actually, I have accepted every offer Sobe made to me:

I accepted his first offer of sets plus docs.
I accepted his offer of a refund.
I accepted his second offer of sets plus docs.

He has not delivered on any of these offers.

If Sobe had of given me either a refund or the docs this thread would have never existed. He gave me neither!

OK I'm pathetic. I wonder what you're looking like?

So you're Sobe's fuck-puppet. I can respect that :Kissmy

Yep, they have stated their views. I was merely reiterating them.

I hope Sobe is paying you well! Or is it the other way around?

You keep on implying that I am the one who had changed the offer. Why is that? I'm simply reacting to the ever changing offers put to me by your girlfriend :girl

Yep :)

Actually this is my first and only encounter with Sobe.

Look I've been through all this before in the other threads. I was advised by my lawyer (I live in Australia) that I should obtain releases and IDs for all content. So when Sobe posted his offer, I asked if releases and IDs were available and HE SAID THAT THEY WERE. I would never have tried to purchase the content if Sobe had not told me the docs were available. Then AFTER I had paid him for the samples he announced that he wanted an extra $800 administrative fee to provide the docs. If you think that is ethical, fine, I will not even try to argue with you.

Who's humping who's leg?

yep I see it that way too, oh shit the right wing has accidently made a good observation! way to fly guy!

I can appreciate that perspective :) And at first I did not want to do business with Sobe any more. That is why I initially rejected Sobe's renewed offer of documents. But after I'd had a chance to calm down think about it, I concluded that if Boneprone said the docs were available (and it was after all a BP4L endorsed promotion) that it should be safe to complete the transaction. Clearly I was wrong because I still do not have any docs, I still do not have a refund and Sobe is still ignoring my ICQs. But of course I'm the one who's out of line. Right?

Groove, you are full of shit!!!

Sobe has been trying to contact you through ICQ all day.
Your the one not replying. He needs your PayPal address to pay you. Post it here if need be.

He sold a bunch of sets, and does not know which one is you
in his PayPal list.

Why are you still playing games? :321GFY

Looks like that worked.
Groove has now given Sobe his PayPal info and everyone
is square.

I tried to get you a little extra as a comission Groove.
I'm sure your harassment brought him a bunch of sales ;^))


Groove. I know your a player bro, But you just made yourself look silly here. I hope you learned a lesson from this.
You didn't need the doc's and you lost out on the best deal
I have ever seen on the net. Shit, I paid full price for his fucking
videos. If someone should be reaming him it's me ;^))

Who's full of shit?

You're post is one big FAT LIE!

Have a read of my little chat with Sobe:

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

http://www.announcetech.com/poops1.jpg

This thread stinks.....


I could see SOBE giving you copies of docs & ID's if you had bought *everything* he had though. Because at $5 per video... going through 200 videos getting the 80 you wanted ready for delivery, then going through and getting you copies of the 80 sets... woo.. Sobe would be in the hole timewise on that deal.

Makes sense why he was willing to give you 10, but not 80.

You guys should be stoked that hes offered them for $5 a video. If I were sobe I would charge an extra $5 per set if you want to have copies of docs & ID's & your not buying everything he has.
(If you buy everything.. he doesn't have to sort through ID's and docs picking out the ones you selected). Unless of course they are already scanned & in their appropriate folders... then I guess it doesnt matter.


I'm tired & rambling. :(

Ok, so, who is PornDaddy?

What a funny thread...

Hopefully you'll learn not to believe a word Sobe tells you...

I guess you're looking pretty silly too :)

Groove hit me up on ICQ

Joe
ICQ - 214137742

If I were Sobe (and thank God I am not!) I would not have offered docs on $5 sets unless they were already bundled with the content. It would not be worth the hassle. But I asked Sobe if they were available and he said yes they are. Then after he'd accepted my money he tried to charge an extra $800 for the docs. That's just unethical, pure and simple. :2 cents:

PornDaddy = Pappa = SoBeGirl :)

Groove I got you the $50 you so desperately needed.
I would bet if I went through your site you would
not be able to produce docs for all of your content.
The fact is you really don't need them. I have been
doing this since 96 and have never been asked for docs.
Steve Workman and JD Odenburger are close friends of mine
and they agree with Sobe. I'm sure you have no clue who they
are either :^)) Your home town lawyer has no clue.

Sobe told you the docs were available.
I don't see anywhere that he said he would give them to
you, unless you thought a model was underage.
having them available and handing over his property
is two different things.

I have no beef with You Groove, I was just trying to get you
what you wanted since I happend accross this thread, and
happen to metor Sobe on occasion.