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NYRangers 02-16-2019 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 22416476)
I think Amazon was stupid to pull out so quick.

I think Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is in over her head. She totally disrespected the massive amount of work her fellow lawmakers did to put that deal together.

Hopefully the Democratic party has now learned that letting a socialist run on the Democratic platform is nothing but trouble. Bernie Sanders, now Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Hopefully they'll pull the plug on her now, if they're able to.

She fucked up big time and made some ignorant statements about the Amazon deal. Evidently she didn't even consult with any other representative before going public with her anti business bullshit.

It's clueless idiots who think that stupid loud mouth cunt is the reason they left. She is just background noise and part of the faction that is dividing the democratic party and why they are a mess.

You want to point your finger at someone? Michael Gianaris is the one who ultimately fucked New York. This is the one who someone who bought real estate in LIC should put a bullet in his head.

You retards who get all upset about 3 billion in tax breaks can't even do the math to realize the revenue and taxes that Amazon would have brought in was 100x more than that.

Simple minded tools.

NYRangers 02-16-2019 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 22416980)
Tax cuts for billionaires are the best thing ever! Why give equal opportunity to all wjhen cities can give massive tax breaks to just a few mega rich dudes? Shit I hope bezos buys his 197th yacht to demonstrate how valuable billionaires are...

Idiot. Typical clueless fucking idiot.

NYRangers 02-16-2019 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 22416984)
The US government should not be giving money to any business as an incentive to move anywhere. I like Robbie's idea. If New York has $3 billion to give away in tax cuts to Amazon, why not lower taxes for everyone by $3 billion. That alone will bring in business and create jobs.

I don't want to miss commenting on this either.

Idiot

Clueless idiot.

Lowering the taxes by 3 billion doesn't change the scenario. Bringing in 25,000 jobs (with an average salary of 150k) and revitalizing an area brings in much more than 3 billion.

But this is why the usual idiots post here. This is like the trailer park of the industry.

NYRangers 02-16-2019 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 22416448)
No, because that also shouts down 25,000 jobs from other small biz.
You're kidding yourself that mega corp selling retail is good for community employment.
They don't pay enough and kill off jobs that do pay enough.

Find a Walmart and see a bunch of broke mother fuckers living in the parking lot.

Walmart broke so many people that they feel guilty enough to let people live in the parking lot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKKevvSQ2s4



But your mind is made up, so I'm just wasting facts into a black hole.

:2 cents:

This is a current GFY member's situation right? One that posts here often?

The Porn Nerd 02-16-2019 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 22416476)
I think Amazon was stupid to pull out so quick.

Does everything have to be gay with you? :D

blackmonsters 02-16-2019 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 22416564)
I saw the same thing happen in the Upstate Of South Carolina when I lived there.
BMW built a plant between Greenville and Spartanburg in the late 1990's.
The entire upstate was hurting economically because it was primarily a textile area and huge plants were shuttered across the region as the textile industry moved to China.

BMW came in and revitalized everything.

The town I lived in was Greer. It was a dead little town. After BMW it now has a revitalized BEAUTIFUL downtown area full of bars, restaurants and shopping.

Dude, compared to a city like NY, Greer is a fucking corn field.

:1orglaugh


https://illsex.com/gfy/bmw1.png


500 jobs coming to Greer or Greenville would have a way bigger impact than 25k in the NY Tri-state area.


:2 cents:

kane 02-16-2019 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by NYRangers (Post 22417200)
I don't want to miss commenting on this either.

Idiot

Clueless idiot.

Lowering the taxes by 3 billion doesn't change the scenario. Bringing in 25,000 jobs (with an average salary of 150k) and revitalizing an area brings in much more than 3 billion.

But this is why the usual idiots post here. This is like the trailer park of the industry.

So you are saying lowering overall taxes in an area won't attract new business?

Bladewire 02-16-2019 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by NYRangers (Post 22417195)
You retards who get all upset about 3 billion in tax breaks can't even do the math to realize the revenue and taxes that Amazon would have brought in was 100x more than that.

Simple minded tools.

Your simple mind needs practicing it's reading comprehension. I was for the $3 billion incentive and the post you replied to never mentioned that you just made an ignorant assumption you pulled out of your ass.

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 22416498)
They're getting tax breaks because they're building new buildings, streets & bridges in that area to improve the infrastructure for their headquarters.

Also, all the people who come to work there will increase property values because demand for housing will increase exponentially. Think San Francisco and the tech boom there.

Also, many small businesses will see an exponential increase in business. Think printing services, delivery services, restaurants, retail.

When property values go up that's more taxes and that's more money for schools etc. Sales tax is over 6%. So more people buying food, gas, etc. paying that 6% tax, even more money for schools etc.


blackmonsters 02-16-2019 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 22417289)
So you are saying lowering overall taxes in an area won't attract new business?

Did that ever work for a ghetto?

NO.

Location location location.

:2 cents:

kane 02-16-2019 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 22417358)
Did that ever work for a ghetto?

NO.

Location location location.

:2 cents:

Location plays a part, no question. However, a ghetto and a suburb are two very different things. Lowering taxes in a ghetto with high crime and shitty living conditions is not going to have the same effect as lowering taxes in an established, middle class community.

blackmonsters 02-16-2019 03:56 PM

50 Amazon fuck ups.


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Originally Posted by kane (Post 22417394)
Lowering taxes in a ghetto with high crime and shitty living conditions is not going to have the same effect

Have you ever been to Queens NY?????


:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

kane 02-16-2019 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 22417398)
50 Amazon fuck ups.




Have you ever been to Queens NY?????


:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

There has been a hell of a lot more going on in places like Queens, Brooklyn, and Harlem than just tax breaks. There has been massive investment into those areas.

Rochard 02-16-2019 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by huey (Post 22416095)
I'm not a fan of Amazon but think it's bad practice to turn away a big employer like them.

I originally thought the same thing too. Then I thought about it. I don't think we are looking at the bigger picture.

Amazon doesn't come to a town and set up shop, and the city, county, and state benefits. In fact, just the opposite. Instead, Amazon comes to a town and negotiates to get them the best possible tax deal. Amazon strong arms them and ends paying little to no taxes. At the same time the city has to pay to maintain the infrastructure, police, fire, etc... When a single business has 25k employees, the police department has to devote more time, manpower, and resources to that location... Which they are not being paid for. At the same time, these 25k are ripping up the roads which have to be maintained which aren't being paid for by Amazon.... If a pipe breaks and floods the street, Amazon doesn't pay to repair it - the city does. And if the city isn't getting any taxes from Amazon.... This can end up costing the city, county, and state tens of millions of dollars every year with very little benefit.

Even worse is the way Amazon does this. They don't negotiate so much as they strong arm, and they do it in private without citizen input. In this case, the government gave Amazon everything it wanted and got nothing in return the citizens are like "what just happened" and "why didn't we have any input in it".

We have a casino here in town and from what I understand they tried to strong arm us. The local city government stood up and said no to them. They said "go build somewhere else" knowing that they had to build on this land because it was Indian land. They built us a new fire station, bought us new fire trucks, and paid their taxes like a good local business.

huey 02-16-2019 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22417418)
I originally thought the same thing too. Then I thought about it. I don't think we are looking at the bigger picture.

Amazon doesn't come to a town and set up shop, and the city, county, and state benefits. In fact, just the opposite. Instead, Amazon comes to a town and negotiates to get them the best possible tax deal. Amazon strong arms them and ends paying little to no taxes. At the same time the city has to pay to maintain the infrastructure, police, fire, etc... When a single business has 25k employees, the police department has to devote more time, manpower, and resources to that location... Which they are not being paid for. At the same time, these 25k are ripping up the roads which have to be maintained which aren't being paid for by Amazon.... If a pipe breaks and floods the street, Amazon doesn't pay to repair it - the city does. And if the city isn't getting any taxes from Amazon.... This can end up costing the city, county, and state tens of millions of dollars every year with very little benefit.

Even worse is the way Amazon does this. They don't negotiate so much as they strong arm, and they do it in private without citizen input. In this case, the government gave Amazon everything it wanted and got nothing in return the citizens are like "what just happened" and "why didn't we have any input in it".

We have a casino here in town and from what I understand they tried to strong arm us. The local city government stood up and said no to them. They said "go build somewhere else" knowing that they had to build on this land because it was Indian land. They built us a new fire station, bought us new fire trucks, and paid their taxes like a good local business.

25k jobs @ 150k is a lot of money staying in the local area. It also sends a message to other big companies to not set up in NY. As mentioned before in this thread it would be awesome if Amazon went into Detroit or Flint and really benefited a city for the tax breaks they are looking for.

Rochard 02-16-2019 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by huey (Post 22417462)
25k jobs @ 150k is a lot of money staying in the local area. It also sends a message to other big companies to not set up in NY. As mentioned before in this thread it would be awesome if Amazon went into Detroit or Flint and really benefited a city for the tax breaks they are looking for.

But it doesn't go into the "local area". It goes elsewhere.

In this case, we are talking about NYC. How many of these employees will live in NYC? More than half of the people who work in NYC do not live in NYC. Amazon isn't going to pay any taxes in NYC or even NY. More of than half of the employees will live outside of NYC; Most of those will live in NJ and will pay taxes there.

Also, it does not send a message to other businesses not to come to NY or NYC. I am sure NY and NYC welcomes new businesses. However, it does send a message saying "Don't come here and expect us let you get away with murder".

I'm sorry, but Amazon is making billions in profit and not paying ANY taxes.

I wouldn't want Amazon to come to my hometown. I couldn't imagine it. Amazon would set up shop here in town and not pay ANY taxes to my city government? Having 25k employees would require huge increases in police, fire, and other city employees.... It would mean a net loss to the city government and county government.

San Jose - not to far from me - pitched Amazon but offered no tax incentives: https://www.npr.org/2019/02/15/69515...ntives-for-you

I'm sorry, but businesses shouldn't be going to our government and demanding huge tax concessions.

TheSquealer 02-16-2019 08:19 PM

This the new Left today.

Burn everything to the ground to prove you're right.

Some of you fucking idiots are literally arguing against a company that's bringing 25,000 high paying jobs into an economy.... and you still can't figure out why we have such strong job growth.

Holy shit.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

pimpmaster9000 02-17-2019 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by NYRangers (Post 22417200)
I don't want to miss commenting on this either.

Idiot

Clueless idiot.

Lowering the taxes by 3 billion doesn't change the scenario. Bringing in 25,000 jobs (with an average salary of 150k) and revitalizing an area brings in much more than 3 billion.

But this is why the usual idiots post here. This is like the trailer park of the industry.

giving tax breaks to the richest man in the world is good business only for idiots like you...what about the millions and millions of businesses that are NOT bezos? oh right...fuck them...give the richest man in the world an unfair economic advantage so that he can kill off even more non-amazon jobs...

NY was right in telling bezos to fuck off and protecting the 99.9999999999% of all people who are not bezos who pay taxes...

ilnjscb 02-17-2019 06:56 AM

This thread is hilarious - right wingers angry that Jeff "I Hate Trump" Bezos was one-upped. You do realize he hates Trump more than Bladewire?

People who have never been to New York city or outside of Manhattan claiming they understand what is best for the city. Bitch NYC has the MOST inbound tourist arrivals in the Americas and is the HIGHEST tourism revenue recipient in the world. Yeah, more people visit Macau, but those are Chinese people who spend 1/3 (really) what Americans do. NYC will be fine without a piddly ass factory of minimum slave wagers. 25,000 JOBS!!!!!!11!!11 those are Amazon jobs so maybe 500 real jobs.

Libertarians, you do realize tax breaks are not your laissez-faire capitalism, right?

Socialists - what the hell are even doing on here - we are talking about jobs, your skin should be burning. Don't you have a novel to read about a country that never existed?

This is a minor blip for NYC. Fuck Jeff Bezos.


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