LOL @ "Green New Deal"

[onwebcam]

"Build trains across oceans and end all air travel!"

"Mandates all new jobs be unionized."

"Rebuild every single building in the U.S."

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...green-new-deal

[crockett]

Zero Hedge = Right wing nutter site that lies a lot.. of course it's a source for you..

[astronaut x]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

"Build trains across oceans and end all air travel!"

"Mandates all new jobs be unionized."

"Rebuild every single building in the U.S."

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...green-new-deal

Your alternative....

Waffle Houses Across America!!


Tax breaks for personal coal home power plants...


NRA, Lockheed sponsored Trump Super Parades!!!

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by crockett

Zero Hedge = Right wing nutter site that lies a lot.. of course it's a source for you..

Dear Moron,

The source is the actual proposal document which is provided.

Sincerely,

Me

[Acepimp]

Originally Posted by crockett

Zero Hedge = Right wing nutter site that lies a lot.. of course it's a source for you..

Says the guy whose main news source is DailyBeast, a far-left fake news site that has Chelsea Clinton on the board of directors. LOL.

[pimpmaster9000]

its a good plan...commie cortez is gonna be ur potus...deal with it...

[kane]

Are there some crazy things in it? Sure. Is it a great idea to get the US off of fossil fuels and to do things that help strengthen the middle class? Absolutely.

[Mr Pheer]

Ambitious but clueless. Still a better option than many on GFY who are simply clueless.

[Axeman]

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

Ambitious but clueless. Still a better option than many on GFY who are simply clueless.

90% of GFY is for this plan, as it offers economic stability for the unable, "and the unwilling to work.".

Pelosi has a mess on her hands trying to reign in the child like brain of AOC and plans like this. The socialist fringe of the Democrat party has left the station full speed ahead, and its going to be interesting to see how the Party deals with it.

There are reasonable discussions to be had about a few issues, but that drivel was surely not it.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by kane

Are there some crazy things in it? Sure. Is it a great idea to get the US off of fossil fuels and to do things that help strengthen the middle class? Absolutely.

Like this:



Economic security for all who are unable or UNWILLING to work?

[kane]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Like this:



Economic security for all who are unable or UNWILLING to work?

As I said, there are some crazy things in it.

By helping the middle class I mean helping with college costs, making housing more affordable, and working to help get people off of welfare, trained for good jobs, and working.

[onwebcam]

"unwilling to work" That's pretty much every millennial I've come across.. Including my 22 yo.

[baddog]

It's not the first time I have heard it proposed that people shouldn't have to work to have an income.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Dear Moron,

The source is the actual proposal document which is provided.

Sincerely,

Me

as more i wonder why you did not read the original text and find those lines you have quoted in there.

by the way: "unwilling to work" also applies to a pensioner whose pension is so low that he would have to continue working until the end of his life. (above of that this sentence also not appears in the document that is on this site).

[astronaut x]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

"unwilling to work" That's pretty much every millennial I've come across.. Including my 22 yo.

Good to see your policies are working with small stuff.

That makes you qualified for the big stuff for sure

[thommy]

Originally Posted by astronaut x

Good to see your policies are working with small stuff.

That makes you qualified for the big stuff for sure

i was just reading this complete document here

the ones that making a joke out of such a statement (that is already overdued) are proven enemies of the world´s future.

the facts mentioned there are proven and only trump prevented to publish them on gov websites. taxpayers paid for the research but, according to trump, were not allowed to experience the result.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by baddog

It's not the first time I have heard it proposed that people shouldn't have to work to have an income.

THIS will be the future anyway and you will not stop that.

you should be exited that the times are near where robots can be LEGAL HUMAN SLAVES.
when the day comes that they take over all the production there is no work anymore.

and then tell me from what you want to buy your daily dose of alc if you don´t get paid from the government´s tax income.

the day will come when all you morons will cry for higher taxes as you will feel them DIRECTLY going back into your prosperity.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by baddog

It's not the first time I have heard it proposed that people shouldn't have to work to have an income.

Interesting, considering it doesnt have that in it.

[Bladewire]

Love watching repukes & Russian fake nics get constantly triggered by a hot female fake Democrat. Priceless

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by thommy

THIS will be the future anyway and you will not stop that.

you should be exited that the times are near where robots can be LEGAL HUMAN SLAVES.
when the day comes that they take over all the production there is no work anymore.

and then tell me from what you want to buy your daily dose of alc if you don´t get paid from the government´s tax income.

the day will come when all you morons will cry for higher taxes as you will feel them DIRECTLY going back into your prosperity.

LOL @ future being Venezuela

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by crockett

Zero Hedge = Right wing nutter site that lies a lot.. of course it's a source for you..

no zerohedge is russian.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

no zerohedge is russian.

Yes, another Bulgarian doing Russia's bidding.

[Acepimp]

This woman is SO dumb, like most Democrats.

TRUMP HAS ALREADY PROVIDED THE SOLUTION.

Legislation legalizing hemp included in Senate farm bill

Farmers can now provide the raw materials to make biodegradable plastic, clean burning fuel and clean burning charcoal which can replace coal to generate electricity.





This legislation was put in the Farm Bill by Mitch McConnell and Rand Paul, from the hemp capital of Kentucky. Once again it's the Republicans who get shit done.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by tony286

Interesting, considering it doesnt have that in it.

Ummm what does this mean to you?

"Economic security for those unable or unwilling to work"

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

"Build trains across oceans and end all air travel!"

"Mandates all new jobs be unionized."

"Rebuild every single building in the U.S."

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...green-new-deal

You know what? You are simple minded. You know how I know that? Because you let someone else, in this case, Zerohedge, tickle your own bias and easily convince you something is true when it is not.

Instead of reading their "interpretation" of the Green New Deal, why don't you read the actual Green New Deal?

Here it is for you, you lazy-as fuck idiot : https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...Deal-FINAL.pdf

There is no mention of a train across the ocean. It talks about bringing buildings with poor energy efficiency up to code. It presents alot of great ideas that Trump is too stupid to care about.

Does your mommy still do your homework for you too?

[Major (Tom)]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

"Build trains across oceans and end all air travel!"

"Mandates all new jobs be unionized."

"Rebuild every single building in the U.S."

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...green-new-deal

It bans cow farts

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

It bans cow farts

Put a cork in it

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

It bans cow farts

Exactly where in https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...Deal-FINAL.pdf does it say that?

[crockett]

Originally Posted by baddog

It's not the first time I have heard it proposed that people shouldn't have to work to have an income.

Baddog probably collects social security and is probably on Medicaid at his age and he cries about socialism...

[Axeman]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Exactly where in https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...Deal-FINAL.pdf does it say that?

You must have missed your hero AOC's FAQ on her site yesterday about the 14 page draft she released yesterday, before her staff pulled it down yesterday afternoon after she was getting laughed at. I'm sure there is a saved version somewhere you can seek and read the next time you are feeling sad, and need a few good laughs.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Axeman

You must have missed your hero AOC's FAQ on her site yesterday about the 14 page draft she released yesterday, before her staff pulled it down yesterday afternoon after she was getting laughed at. I'm sure there is a saved version somewhere you can seek and read the next time you are feeling sad, and need a few good laughs.

I bet you didnt read it on her website either.. you just read whatever was posted on zerohedge or Breitfart..

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Axeman

You must have missed your hero AOC's FAQ on her site yesterday about the 14 page draft she released yesterday, before her staff pulled it down yesterday afternoon after she was getting laughed at. I'm sure there is a saved version somewhere you can seek and read the next time you are feeling sad, and need a few good laughs.

Links please?

[Axeman]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Links please?

https://apps.npr.org/documents/docum...n-New-Deal-FAQ Which was also on her site, but deleted Thursday afternoon.

This is also the first version of the draft she gave NPR yesterday morning.
https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...eal-FINAL.html


And the updated one that they released later on Thursday to NPR after the the first NPR interview in the morning.
https://ocasio-cortez.house.gov/site...New%20Deal.pdf

[seeandsee]

train across sea? nice :D

[aimike]

welfare already exists

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Axeman

https://apps.npr.org/documents/docum...n-New-Deal-FAQ Which was also on her site, but deleted Thursday afternoon.

This is also the first version of the draft she gave NPR yesterday morning.
https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...eal-FINAL.html


And the updated one that they released later on Thursday to NPR after the the first NPR interview in the morning.
https://ocasio-cortez.house.gov/site...New%20Deal.pdf

First, they are drafts. Next, what is wrong with any of them? Is there something specific in any of them that you think is wrong?

The only stand-out to me was "Does this include Nuclear". I think she may not be capable of answering this question by herself. Current nuclear reactors are using old technology and should be decommissioned, but, new technology nuclear needs to be considered too.

Am I missing anything?

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by seeandsee

train across sea? nice :D

Where does she say that?

[Axeman]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

First, they are drafts. Next, what is wrong with any of them? Is there something specific in any of them that you think is wrong?

The only stand-out to me was "Does this include Nuclear". I think she may not be capable of answering this question by herself. Current nuclear reactors are using old technology and should be decommissioned, but, new technology nuclear needs to be considered too.

Am I missing anything?

Yes, its a draft of their plan. If you read that and thought it was well written, well thought out, achievable and the right thing to do, then you are so far away from me, we'll never agree on anything related to politics that is for sure. And there are some themes in there that are worth talking about and improving.

- Ten years to getting to 100% renewable energy but nuclear is off the table. Get serious.
- Eliminate air travel in favor of high speed rail in ten years.
- Rebuild or retrofit all buildings in ten years to be green.


Obviously her plan is so bad, ridiculous, impossible, that its laughable. And if you are a Democrat looking to win 2020, you better hope she gets boxed out by the party, as she is a gift to Trump, plain and simple.

I'd give anything to be a fly on the wall during the leadership meetings of the Democrats as they try to figure out how to navigate AOC.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Axeman

Yes, its a draft of their plan. If you read that and thought it was well written, well thought out, achievable and the right thing to do, then you are so far away from me, we'll never agree on anything related to politics that is for sure.

I never said it was well written and well thought out or achievable. It has good ideas with things that need to be done. Can they be done? I don't know. Must they be done? I'd say Yes.

Originally Posted by Axeman

And there are some themes in there that are worth talking about and improving.
- Ten years to getting to 100% renewable energy but nuclear is off the table. Get serious.

Agreed. It can't happen. And new Nuclear is actually pretty green.

Originally Posted by Axeman

- Eliminate air travel in favor of high speed rail in ten years.

That is not what she said. Her exact words are:

“Build out highspeed rail at a scale where air travel stops becoming necessary”.

Right now, if you want to get from Montreal to Las Vegas in a hurry, flying is necessary. But if high speed rail existed that was a greener alternative to flying, flying to Vegas would no longer be necessary. If taking the train would get you there with the same travel time and waste less energy doing so, it would be a good second choice.

I do not fully agree with her on this because flying is not necessarily a heavy polluter. 200 or so people flying from here to there probably pollutes less than 200 people driving from here to there. And besides, flying could always be made more green. if this could be done it would less damage to the environment and less accidents than could be caused by rail.

Originally Posted by Axeman

- Rebuild or retrofit all buildings in ten years to be green.

I think maybe you're missing the point. This is only an idea. I think you're a fairly smart guy. Doesn't this stir up ideas in your head? For example, what can we do to make buildings more green? How about solar panels? Local recycling? Planting plants on the roof? Using an alternative to oil-based tiles? Energy efficient heating, lighting, cooling, windows, etc.

Sure some are expensive and sure its not always possible to do everything, but the idea here is to go green as much as possible. Her plan should not be dismissed. Some people like OnWebCam are too lazy and can't be bothered to think about anything, nothing form their own opinions. But just because thats how he is, doesn't mean thats how you should be.

Originally Posted by Axeman

Obviously her plan is so bad, ridiculous, impossible, that its laughable.

It's none of those things. It's missing about a million details, but as a general starting-off point, its not bad.

Originally Posted by Axeman

And if you are a Democrat looking to win 2020, you better hope she gets boxed out by the party, as she is a gift to Trump, plain and simple.

I don't think she will win the nomination but it's way too early to tell. No matter how good someones ideas are, its generally agreed that its best to have someone with experience sit in the big chair. She's smart and ambitious but she doesn't have the experience yet in my opinion.

[Smack dat]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Like this:



Economic security for all who are unable or UNWILLING to work?

U S A Land of the FREE!

[mce]

How much will it cost?

What are the opportunity costs involved?