my new wallpaper. thanks!

heh - I guess it doesn't just boil down to comfort after all... it's all about the money ;)

lol
np :)

I think I vaguely recall a prosecution over exactly such a thing involving a minor.

2257 covers the following....

(A)

sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex;

(B)

bestiality;

(C)

masturbation;

(D)

sadistic or masochistic abuse

And nothing else.

lascivious exibition of the genitals..... Well lets use the dictionary definition of the term lascivious.

Exciting sexual desires

Basically showing your pussy or dick in a sexual manor...

But as far as 2257 is concerned it is not required to be labled as far as what our lawyer tells us.

But you sure better have proof of age of the person in the picture. There is a lot more to Chapter 110 then just 2257. :)

Everyone needs to read the full Chapter 110! Not just the 2257 part.

Hugs,
Danielle

Divorce your husband and Marry me.

Now you like me:) Took you long enough.:) We may go about pushing things different, but we are on the same side.

Oh, I am going to be a grandmother in July. :)

Hugs,
Danielle

So am I!

Heh, sorry SoBe I know you are pointing at me in this one, I just asked since It thought that was something I needed to have to comply with the laws. But since I live in Norway, I'm not sure if I need it at all. But what I do think I could need, is the licence showing that I have the right to use your material on my site, in case some ask me if I have stolen your content... so that was my main concern, but I guess you remember me, and can say I bought it if that happens :) So no problems at all for me, really

you are kidding bullshit.And I am not saying this just because I want to stay in biz or save CZech producers or what.
The problem is that you know that compatition of Czech producers is really hard so you decided to advice US customers to stick to US content providers only.We can do the same job like you for 100 bucks but you have to charge 250 - thats the fact.
We are not breaking the US law in any way
Nothing against you Aaron - its your decision and oppinion so I respect that , but you are kidding bulshit

EXACTLY!

i would NEVER give a webmsaster access to model releases and as a model I'd personall y track down and break the legs of any photographer who gave out a release that showed my full name address and phone number Plus ID's

I don' know why you don't tape paulmarkham instead of adultczechcontent - you live 80 miles from my house , here in Czech I think

It does not matter where they are, it matters how professional and careful they are. There is one content provider who is very reluctant to provide documentation. He will only do so if he feels like it and claims that he is best to check and hold the documents for you.

However he does not know a forged passport from a real one.

My advice is you need the documentation for a lot more reasons than 2257, but a lot of people insist on dragging it back to that subject. Maybe because that is the one area they can win on.

Forget 2257 here is why everyone needs to have the documents.

To see they exist and are acceptable.
To see the model was old enough.
To see exactly what rights she signed away.
To see that she did actually sign them away.
To see who shot it and if the seller have the rights to resell.

Of course everyone makes their own decision. I just give my opinions.

To me perfect sense, but to so many here it does not.

So if you sell sets to printed publication producers you never give them a copy of the release together with model ID? I have sold hundreds of sets to Paul Raymond, DS and many others right back since the early 1980's and a copy of release and ID was provided every time.

So the fact that the guy is a US citizen makes it impossible for him to break the law?

If you really want to play it safe,

INSIST ON GETTING THE DOCUMENTATION AND DO NOT LEAVE IT TO SOME ONE ELSE.

glad you agree with me man

SORRY BUT WHEN YOU DROP YOUR KNICKERS IN FRONT OF ME WITH A CAMERA, SIGN A MODEL RELEASE AND TAKE MY MONEY. YOUR RIGHTS ARE NOT MY CONCERN.

I do however choose to remove the contact details from the model release and the IDs.

You want to stay invisible? Keep you knickers on and don't take my money. My responsibility is to my customers, not models who think they can do this work, take our money and stay invisible.

One of the reasons why we wait for them to be 18 is that they are then old enough to make their own decisions.

Who are adultczechcontent? :)

I agree with you about the documents. I reckon our level of documentation is probably better than most US content providers anyway.

you konw that you only have to show paperwork on your stuff if the Proper Authoriteis ask.... fuck everybody who says other than that.. as long as the attorney genral can get them from you if he wants... then you can have anything you want on your 2257....

one fifty - 50

100

FUCK...

the only thing I don't understand is how the fuck you get the smiley in post - doesn't work for me
and don't work on sunday man - take a walk with your wife , its great weather today :-)

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
:GFYBand

Then again why are you here :winkwink:

Exactly :glugglug

You are an example waiting to happen. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Age is verified by law enforcement all the time, regardless of the current court case holdings. This is not some hypothetical issue, here at The SCORE Group, we have had the FBI and other law enforcement agencies request to see documentation more times than I can count from memory. We fax copies of the documentation and the matter ends.

Model releases are also important to protect yourself from lawsuits. SCORE also gets inquiries from models all the time who want to explore litigation over the publication of their photos. Having a model release which clearly defines their rights ends these types of inquiries immediately.

This is not just about being in compliance with laws that could put us in jail, having documentation prevents law enforcement and lawsuits from interfering and consuming time and staffing resources.

Anyone who has an adult website, video or printed publication without having *full* documentation of *all* models featured would have to be either very naive or downright stupid in my opinion. Put your possible liberty in the hands of someone you have never met? Not in a million years.

Yep..that is endangering the life of the model AND leaving her open to identify theft or stalking or other nasty stuff. I will provide docs if asked, but I will NEVER provide unaltered docs to anyone unless they are a legal authority.

So what you're saying is that your models, who you make your money from, without which your business wouldn't exist, etc, are shit to you? Remind me to never send you a model. Models are human beings too with lives, families, etc. Just because they get naked on camera for money doesn't mean they are useless chattel that can be used and abused without any consideration for that. Man, Paul, I like you and respect your work, but you just lost a lot of props in my books for this statement.

Edit: Didn't Eva start out as a model for you? Would you appreciate it if someone treated HER like this? How about if someone was providing unaltered docs, some fan got a hold of her info and murdered her in her bed. How about someone stealing her identity and ruining the next 10 years of her life? Think about it.

We as a content provider comply with not only US title 18 requirements, but Canadian obscenity laws etc. A lot of people ask us why we don't have certain types of images on our site that other people do, it's because we're adhering to the strict laws of TWO countries.. for our protection, and most of all for the protection of our customers. I have only love for ya Aaron, but even though we are a Canadian company, we have proven ourselves trustworthy, knowledgable AND compliant with the laws even though we are not subject to them. We do it for our customers, because they are extremely important to us. We do it for us because our protection is important too, and although Canada doesn't have EXACTLY the same law as title 18, they have similar laws (some parrots of US laws basically) that require essentially all the same elements. In fact, in some cases, Canadian law is MORE strict as to what can be displayed, etc. We comply with both countries, and will continue to do so.

But apparently the law is different if you work from home or at least some people seem to think it is. http://www.gofuckyourself.com/images...NEW/1zhelp.gif

LadyMischief
No I do not think of models as badly as you think, but I do not lose sleep over whether some one finds out what they are doing.

We live and shoot in Czech, we do not sell to Czech magazines, we do not allow Czech webmasters to buy the content.

We remove all the contact details from the documents and there it ends.

If the girl gets recognised by someone who knows her that is her problem not mine. But we do our most to reduce it.

Do you sell to webmasters within 500 miles of where your models live?

What measures do you take to reduce the chances of a models friend or relative seeing their pictures?

I rest my case.

I inform my girls the second they walk in the door that if they aren't prepared for someone they know to see their pics someday, somewhere, to turn around and walk out. It's her responsibility as far as informing them, and I never knocked a girl for walking out if she decided that wasn't what she was willing to accept.. No measures to prevent that happening would be 100% once people starting purchasing the content. It's not fear of someone they KNOW knowing what they've done, it's the fact that I've HAD a model stalked by some creep, had the police involved, etc, and seen her afraid for her life. As long as full information is not disclosed, it's all good.. But giving out a model's personal information, such as address and social insurance or tax numbers etc is irresponsible and CRUEL (also illegal according to direct interpretation of the law).


(In the case of my girl being stalked it was because it was someone at work who found her pictures, not because I disclosed personal information. However, her terror was real, and experiencing it just made it that much more real and important in my mind to make sure it didn't happen to anyone else due to something that was preventable if I had handled information indiscriminately.)

I request model releases and IDs from all of my content providers, but the address and social security number is usually deleted from the docs provided.

how aboout to help me instead of making a jokes on me you bastard
smilies are on in my profile and are not disabled in post
happen suddenly on yesterday fuck

No, I am not kidding and if you have ever listened to a legal discussion at a US show then you would have heard the advice from the same attorneys that I have heard it from.

As for being concerned by Czech competition......What competition? I am not aware of any content providers who shoot the same way I do.

Why is it that every time I state a fact that people like you have to accuse me of basically trying to steal your business? Pretty fucking insecure of yourself.

The bottom line is that if a US content provider fucks up or simply takes off, our laws will still follow them for 5 years and they can be enforced. WTF could we do if you closed your doors and left us hanging high and dry? NOTHING. How can we be 100% certain that the content providers we deal with are subject to the same laws we are??? Buy from the ones in the US.

This is the truth and anybody with any common sense can see it. I have often referred people to other content providers, in and out of the US.

Czech your facts before you run your mouth at me.

Quit acting like a retard, Paul.

Sure a US citizen can break the law and THAT is EXACTLY why it is safer to buy from a US citizen...If he does break the US law, He can be held responsible for it. You can not. Thanks for helping me make my point.

Getting altered documentation is bullshit and if you don't know it then you are one stupid mother fucker.

Is it me or are all of the people who are arguing the US laws, in this thread, all located in other countries?

HMMMM....What's that tell me?

Either you have no clue WTF you are talking aobut or you are afraid that you will lose business if people are educated with truth rather than fear.