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No, I am giving personal advice and telling people to seek appropriate legal council as well.

50 BIATCH!

Fucker.

Make that"Personal advice" based on legal facts.

:winkwink:

Then what the hell is wrong with my post? All I said was take your fucking lawyers advise! LOL!

Danielle

AaronM,

Lets just do a little test on your expert 2257 info you have in your head.

Take a look at the following picture.

http://www.trueamateurs.com/tony/nude0002.jpg

If it is on a site all by itself and the publisher of the site is the primary producer does that site need to list a custodian of records for 2257?

Danielle

Unless you live outside of the US.

I just re-read your reply.

I initially misread your post. I admit when I am wrong. Please accept my apology.

On a similar note...Telling people to ignore those who are trying to educate them is not very kind. I ALWAYS tell people to get a competent Internet attorney.

As you stated in another reply..The case I mentioned only covers certain states, BUT...That was a groundbreaking case that has set a precedent that can pave the way for future cases in other courts.

From first look, I would say no...Unless her heel is stuffed up her snatch. There may be other things going on then what we see in a single photograph. Tis better to be safe and comply with 2257 even if it is not required. Nobody will question a producer for being too careful.

by itself?

Ahaahaahaaha

The most sensible words I have ever read here. :2 cents:

This I agree 100% with. I am on your side. My husband and I have been in this business since 1996 and are primary producers. We have a very good lawyer and follow his advise to the tee.

I agree with you that everyone has to follow this law. It has been around for quite some time and looks like it will finally be used.

Hugs,
Danielle

Yep :) And I live in Australia. My lawyer advised me that I should obtain copies of model releases and IDs for all of my content. That's why I was mighty pissed-off when Sobe reneged on our agreement to provide docs.

Very interesting.

My advice???

Stick with producers who live in Australia.

Correct! That is why I tell everyone to use softcore images on FREE sites only.

2257 LABELING laws do not cover:

lascivious exhibition of the genitals or pubic area of any person;

2256 does. But 2257 does not.

Shoot! we 2257 label sites that don't need it just to put our sites one notch below the radar.

Danielle

In terms of playing things conservatively, I think that's good advice. But in terms of practical reality, it would mean that I had to confine my purchases to an extremely small pool of content. It's a matter of balancing risk against commercial viability.

Gee, I am glad I passed your test. I will sleep better tonight. :)

I understand this...And I am sure that there are a lot of content providers who would not mind helping you.

Feel free to set up some models and send a few of us some plane tickets so we can produce for you and be subject to your laws. :)

Could you explain this better. How would you define lascivious exibition of the genitals.....?

Just curious...

So you advise US webmasters not to buy from Czech Content?

Yes, it's a comfort thing. That's what it all boils down to.
I like to have the model IDs so I can both prove to myself that the girl is of age *and* so that I can trust the content provider.

Just because they have put 2257 info on their site doesn't mean they follow the law - they might just be doing it to look more lawful.
Now before you say that's their problem, not mine, because they are the primary producers... think of the repercussions to me and my business if I suddenly found out that my content wasn't legal.

It *would* present a problem to me because then I'd have illegal content on my sites that I paid money for, and I'd have to take it down. Now I don't know about you, but I use my content as much as possible, and that would mean a LOT of work hunting the different sites down and changing things out, plus risking getting banned because something had changed (think TGP gallery where if anything changes after submissin or acceptance, you're banned for life).
That *would* be my problem, and it would cost me a lot of lost time (money), it would cost me content that I had paid for (money), and it would cost me a lot of extra work (money).

So no, by the LAW, I don't need to see the model IDs.
But as a businesswoman who plans to be here for a while, it puts my business on much more stable ground when I know that this content is legal and I don't have to worry about having to go into panic mode one day ripping my sites apart and costing myself money.

Make sense?

So long as you have *all* of the legal documentation that your own lawyer tells you that *you* need to run your business you are fine. Run an adult business any other way would be just too stupid to think about no matter where you are. :2 cents:

I suggest that if they really want to play it safe that they not buy from anybody outside of the US.

Indeed, it does.

Makes cents. ;)

:thumbsup

I don't think it's how we would define it, it's how a court would define it - and that's just as subjective as our opinions.
To *me*, it's something like spread pussy lips.
To an 80-yr old priest, it could be seeing a camel toe through a tight bathing suit.

my new wallpaper. thanks!

heh - I guess it doesn't just boil down to comfort after all... it's all about the money ;)

lol
np :)

I think I vaguely recall a prosecution over exactly such a thing involving a minor.

2257 covers the following....

(A)

sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex;

(B)

bestiality;

(C)

masturbation;

(D)

sadistic or masochistic abuse

And nothing else.

lascivious exibition of the genitals..... Well lets use the dictionary definition of the term lascivious.

Exciting sexual desires

Basically showing your pussy or dick in a sexual manor...

But as far as 2257 is concerned it is not required to be labled as far as what our lawyer tells us.

But you sure better have proof of age of the person in the picture. There is a lot more to Chapter 110 then just 2257. :)

Everyone needs to read the full Chapter 110! Not just the 2257 part.

Hugs,
Danielle

Divorce your husband and Marry me.

Now you like me:) Took you long enough.:) We may go about pushing things different, but we are on the same side.

Oh, I am going to be a grandmother in July. :)

Hugs,
Danielle

So am I!

Heh, sorry SoBe I know you are pointing at me in this one, I just asked since It thought that was something I needed to have to comply with the laws. But since I live in Norway, I'm not sure if I need it at all. But what I do think I could need, is the licence showing that I have the right to use your material on my site, in case some ask me if I have stolen your content... so that was my main concern, but I guess you remember me, and can say I bought it if that happens :) So no problems at all for me, really

you are kidding bullshit.And I am not saying this just because I want to stay in biz or save CZech producers or what.
The problem is that you know that compatition of Czech producers is really hard so you decided to advice US customers to stick to US content providers only.We can do the same job like you for 100 bucks but you have to charge 250 - thats the fact.
We are not breaking the US law in any way
Nothing against you Aaron - its your decision and oppinion so I respect that , but you are kidding bulshit

EXACTLY!

i would NEVER give a webmsaster access to model releases and as a model I'd personall y track down and break the legs of any photographer who gave out a release that showed my full name address and phone number Plus ID's

I don' know why you don't tape paulmarkham instead of adultczechcontent - you live 80 miles from my house , here in Czech I think

It does not matter where they are, it matters how professional and careful they are. There is one content provider who is very reluctant to provide documentation. He will only do so if he feels like it and claims that he is best to check and hold the documents for you.

However he does not know a forged passport from a real one.

My advice is you need the documentation for a lot more reasons than 2257, but a lot of people insist on dragging it back to that subject. Maybe because that is the one area they can win on.

Forget 2257 here is why everyone needs to have the documents.

To see they exist and are acceptable.
To see the model was old enough.
To see exactly what rights she signed away.
To see that she did actually sign them away.
To see who shot it and if the seller have the rights to resell.

Of course everyone makes their own decision. I just give my opinions.

To me perfect sense, but to so many here it does not.

So if you sell sets to printed publication producers you never give them a copy of the release together with model ID? I have sold hundreds of sets to Paul Raymond, DS and many others right back since the early 1980's and a copy of release and ID was provided every time.

So the fact that the guy is a US citizen makes it impossible for him to break the law?

If you really want to play it safe,

INSIST ON GETTING THE DOCUMENTATION AND DO NOT LEAVE IT TO SOME ONE ELSE.

glad you agree with me man

SORRY BUT WHEN YOU DROP YOUR KNICKERS IN FRONT OF ME WITH A CAMERA, SIGN A MODEL RELEASE AND TAKE MY MONEY. YOUR RIGHTS ARE NOT MY CONCERN.

I do however choose to remove the contact details from the model release and the IDs.

You want to stay invisible? Keep you knickers on and don't take my money. My responsibility is to my customers, not models who think they can do this work, take our money and stay invisible.

One of the reasons why we wait for them to be 18 is that they are then old enough to make their own decisions.

Who are adultczechcontent? :)

I agree with you about the documents. I reckon our level of documentation is probably better than most US content providers anyway.

you konw that you only have to show paperwork on your stuff if the Proper Authoriteis ask.... fuck everybody who says other than that.. as long as the attorney genral can get them from you if he wants... then you can have anything you want on your 2257....