Groove, I have consulted with BoneProne.

Can you please get me on ICQ,,

Just to clarify things. I never asked for the docs, but are you saying that people who are asking for them are bitches, and are you also saying Sobe is still BP4L family?

You guys are like a pack of wolves.



So let me get this strait....

Buy a $30.00 set of Jenna Jameson and get her Drivers License and address too?

Think that's smart?



"It's to prove age"

Okay, well what about Guage? Looks a little young right?

Can I get her ID too?

Care to place a wager on who BP will back?

Compete with you? You are not even providing the same kind of content that I am, as far as I know...You are hardly competition.

The only thing that scares me about you is that people like you are going to end up fucking this business up for the rest of us.

You all are bitches.
And you all have it coming yes. . :1orglaugh

ANd i talked to sobe and told em that Aaron is NOT making shit up and it is in the best intrest of him and in the wishes of the consumer to get the docs so they need to be provided.

He agreed.

Family squeeble squable. Done.

I can go back to finishing my movie now.

Prior to making the purchase he said that I could have copies of releases and IDs for all sets. Therefore he should have provided them. How complicated is that to understand?

oh i see,i didnt buy many times content from ounique,but i got all papers eachtime from what i remember.

You guys might want to all get together and talk because just a few posts above this post you just made it almost looks like BP is backing him and not you.

Enjoy your movie bro and we'll talk about that bitch shit later. :1orglaugh

I don't want to talk to you. I want a refund!

Just send me the fucking money via PayPal!

And don't make me ask again!

Not complicated.

If he decides at some point he doesn't want to provide copies of the models ID. He doesn't have to give it to you. He's not cheating you, he offered a refund didn't he ?

indeed

what the fuck???????

Does one of the admins here have my fucking password?

SOmeone is editing my posts. Or I should say re-writing them..

Not cool.

WTF make boneprone an expert in the legalities fo content sales and written AND logged contracts?

Your above reply shows that you are nothing more than a sheep.

WTF does sending model ID's have to do with copyright? I am willing to bet that you do not have a LEGAL copyright for a single fucking image. Prove me wrong. I will give you 5 minutes to post the mailing addy and the process for a bulk copyright registration.

Tell me the Addy, the timeframe required by law, and the cost. This info is available on line and that is why you have a 5 minute limit. Prove me wrong.....I dare you.

But.. but.. he's our resident legal advice expert in content matters. Say it isn't so !!

Ah, that is right DigiPimp, It appears that according to the law AronnM, is full of czechalslovakian shit...

And Groove, can you please contact me on ICQ..

This matter has been settled, case closed. Please find another poor content provider to pick on.

I have to get back to creating FTP users who took advantage of my 5 dollars video / picture content set deal and get all the content via a download.

It has been nice. AssWipeM, Go fuck yourself :-)

:eek7 So it's not cheating to sell someone video sets on the basis that docs will be provided, only to turn around after you've received payment and say docs are not included?

Now I'm really confused. And what did you really say BP if your posts are being edited. This thread is turning into a bigger clusterfuck by the second.

Things are not always as they seem.

J.L. Kindly stop this. It's not funny.

Are you a total moron? I don't want to talk to you! I do not want to do business with you! How many times do I have to tell you? I want you to send me a refund via Paypal. Just send me my fucking refund you moron!

Back your mouth with legal proof or you may find yourself in a world of hurt.

True indeed. Anyway it's your guys biz not mine so I'm not worried, I never requested docs but I did ask if I could get them and he told me it would cost, but I checked all that out before I ordered. So whatever is whatever, I'm just a confused spectator.

I don't think he was cheating you. I've never seen or heard of him cheating anyone else before. He might have changed his mind. He might no have felt comfortable handing over the model's IDs yet. If he didn't offer a refund, only then in my opinion would he have done anything unethical in your deal.

Oh look...It's been over 5 minutes and not even a weak attempt to post the info requested.

Tell us another lie Sobe.

I don't know how you do business. But when I give someone XX amount of money in exchange for specific products or services, I don't expect them to turn around after I've made a purchase and tell me that they have changed their mind about precisely what it is that I'm buying. Where I am from, that is called "fraud". As for a refund, I have asked repeatedly for a refund and so far he has ignored the request.

when is a copyright created?

As soon as you create your work, a copyright is created. When a photographer clicks the shutter, s/he has a copyright in the image that appears on the film. When a designer creates a promotional piece, when a painter paints a canvas or an illustrator sketches an image, a copyright exists as soon as the creator's (non-copyrightable) idea is expressed in a medium that can be viewed.

Yeah, ok.. terminating a deal and offering a refund is fraud. Whatever you say genius.

He took my fucking money... then he changed his mind about what it was that he was selling me. If you think that's OK, remind me not to ever do any business with you!

I haven't gone through the entire thread yet, but in defense of SoBeGirl, I've sat next to him and his girl at a webmaster dinner and he seemed liked a straight shooter, with a lot of ambition and energy, and ideas. I've never seen his studio setup in South Beach, but I've not heard anything bad from other photographers down here in South Florida about him.

I had a studio in LA before so I know the dilema photographers are in by handing out there complete model info. A handful of webmasters are slick willys and will turn around, setup a small content operation and start reselling the stuff.

I had one large collection of chromes I bought once and ending up having 2 other photographers call me when they were in the magazines saying I didn't have a license. Yet I had it in black and white along with the signed model releases, and double ID pics. So 3 photographers say they own the rights. Two were lying or somebody fucked somebody over there.

This is why content creators get so paranoid about handing out the works to webmasterss. It basically is like handing over the printing plates at the Federal Reserve. Once you have it all you can print your own dough.

Just my 2 cents for what its worth on this thread. I understand the webmasters dilema as well in light of all the stringent regs out there. Its a tough call.

I'm so sad.

Sobe, just give the docs man even if you think it does not comply with the law Aaron has stated. Even if you think it is not law, think of it as Family law for the family. Just do it bro.

Aaron is who we have put in charge of getting detailed law legalities when it comes to content. The family has invested serious money in educating him and giving him the oppertunity to consult with some of the finest legal advisiors and attorneys in the nation representing our industry. Sure many may not agree with it and say its bullshit and its not law, but as a family we like to cover our ass and that of the webmasters so we make it official family law.

Aaron is the say and I am confident he is not making it up. You may see or feel otherwise which is your right. But consider this family law. Please comply thats all bro.

I dont expect the two of you to get along since there was a lot of personal attacks here. I can only hope you two get along in the long run and we can have some beers together in Florida as a family.

This would not be the first time Aaron has shown tough love initally, just ask Paul Markham. But in the end im sure you will find it is in your best intrest to work with aaron on this and not against it. He can be a very valuable friend and is only sharing this info to protect us all

He's a good guy thats damn head strong. Now a lot of personal attacks have been shot around outside this debate. Now that this debate is over and that we can agree to compiance I want you two to kiss and make up.

The family has invested serious money on the Blazer game tomorrow and I dont want any fucking distractions.

The easiest way to protect copyright is to have your name and contact details in the documents. Then if any one tries to resell them the buyer knows exactly where they came from.

Assuming the purchaser insists on the documents.

Any other excuses you need me to shoot down for you?

Sobe is BP4L!

Groove I want to refund your money. Just contact me on ICQ and we will get it done.

Peace I am going to bed...

Yeah, ok.

I asked about a legal copyright. One that actually give the owner "RIGHTS" in a court of law and what you have just described does not.

If this were the case then why would there be a copyright office?

Thanks Boneprone. But Sobe is not the kind of person I want to do business with. His word obviously means nothing. I want him to send me a refund via Paypal. I have asked for this countless times, but he ignores my requests.

:GFYBand
Never a dull moment on GFY. I'm giving this thread the official rating of 5 out of a possible 5 dokks

dokk dokk dokk dokk dokk

Pass the popcorn please :thumbsup

Good move.
It was good to talk to you on icq.
Get some rest.

Trust me this will all workout better in the longrun.
I know why you are concerned, but if we see people stealing from you with these documents and selling your content like you said you were concerned about we will deal with them.

We have ways of dealing with people.

Just trust me man.

This shit gets more comical by the minute. I need to talk to you on ICQ sometime BoneProne.