Are you a total moron? I don't want to talk to you! I do not want to do business with you! How many times do I have to tell you? I want you to send me a refund via Paypal. Just send me my fucking refund you moron!

Back your mouth with legal proof or you may find yourself in a world of hurt.

True indeed. Anyway it's your guys biz not mine so I'm not worried, I never requested docs but I did ask if I could get them and he told me it would cost, but I checked all that out before I ordered. So whatever is whatever, I'm just a confused spectator.

I don't think he was cheating you. I've never seen or heard of him cheating anyone else before. He might have changed his mind. He might no have felt comfortable handing over the model's IDs yet. If he didn't offer a refund, only then in my opinion would he have done anything unethical in your deal.

Oh look...It's been over 5 minutes and not even a weak attempt to post the info requested.

Tell us another lie Sobe.

I don't know how you do business. But when I give someone XX amount of money in exchange for specific products or services, I don't expect them to turn around after I've made a purchase and tell me that they have changed their mind about precisely what it is that I'm buying. Where I am from, that is called "fraud". As for a refund, I have asked repeatedly for a refund and so far he has ignored the request.

when is a copyright created?

As soon as you create your work, a copyright is created. When a photographer clicks the shutter, s/he has a copyright in the image that appears on the film. When a designer creates a promotional piece, when a painter paints a canvas or an illustrator sketches an image, a copyright exists as soon as the creator's (non-copyrightable) idea is expressed in a medium that can be viewed.

Yeah, ok.. terminating a deal and offering a refund is fraud. Whatever you say genius.

He took my fucking money... then he changed his mind about what it was that he was selling me. If you think that's OK, remind me not to ever do any business with you!

I haven't gone through the entire thread yet, but in defense of SoBeGirl, I've sat next to him and his girl at a webmaster dinner and he seemed liked a straight shooter, with a lot of ambition and energy, and ideas. I've never seen his studio setup in South Beach, but I've not heard anything bad from other photographers down here in South Florida about him.

I had a studio in LA before so I know the dilema photographers are in by handing out there complete model info. A handful of webmasters are slick willys and will turn around, setup a small content operation and start reselling the stuff.

I had one large collection of chromes I bought once and ending up having 2 other photographers call me when they were in the magazines saying I didn't have a license. Yet I had it in black and white along with the signed model releases, and double ID pics. So 3 photographers say they own the rights. Two were lying or somebody fucked somebody over there.

This is why content creators get so paranoid about handing out the works to webmasterss. It basically is like handing over the printing plates at the Federal Reserve. Once you have it all you can print your own dough.

Just my 2 cents for what its worth on this thread. I understand the webmasters dilema as well in light of all the stringent regs out there. Its a tough call.

I'm so sad.

Sobe, just give the docs man even if you think it does not comply with the law Aaron has stated. Even if you think it is not law, think of it as Family law for the family. Just do it bro.

Aaron is who we have put in charge of getting detailed law legalities when it comes to content. The family has invested serious money in educating him and giving him the oppertunity to consult with some of the finest legal advisiors and attorneys in the nation representing our industry. Sure many may not agree with it and say its bullshit and its not law, but as a family we like to cover our ass and that of the webmasters so we make it official family law.

Aaron is the say and I am confident he is not making it up. You may see or feel otherwise which is your right. But consider this family law. Please comply thats all bro.

I dont expect the two of you to get along since there was a lot of personal attacks here. I can only hope you two get along in the long run and we can have some beers together in Florida as a family.

This would not be the first time Aaron has shown tough love initally, just ask Paul Markham. But in the end im sure you will find it is in your best intrest to work with aaron on this and not against it. He can be a very valuable friend and is only sharing this info to protect us all

He's a good guy thats damn head strong. Now a lot of personal attacks have been shot around outside this debate. Now that this debate is over and that we can agree to compiance I want you two to kiss and make up.

The family has invested serious money on the Blazer game tomorrow and I dont want any fucking distractions.

The easiest way to protect copyright is to have your name and contact details in the documents. Then if any one tries to resell them the buyer knows exactly where they came from.

Assuming the purchaser insists on the documents.

Any other excuses you need me to shoot down for you?

Sobe is BP4L!

Groove I want to refund your money. Just contact me on ICQ and we will get it done.

Peace I am going to bed...

Yeah, ok.

I asked about a legal copyright. One that actually give the owner "RIGHTS" in a court of law and what you have just described does not.

If this were the case then why would there be a copyright office?

Thanks Boneprone. But Sobe is not the kind of person I want to do business with. His word obviously means nothing. I want him to send me a refund via Paypal. I have asked for this countless times, but he ignores my requests.

:GFYBand
Never a dull moment on GFY. I'm giving this thread the official rating of 5 out of a possible 5 dokks

dokk dokk dokk dokk dokk

Pass the popcorn please :thumbsup

Good move.
It was good to talk to you on icq.
Get some rest.

Trust me this will all workout better in the longrun.
I know why you are concerned, but if we see people stealing from you with these documents and selling your content like you said you were concerned about we will deal with them.

We have ways of dealing with people.

Just trust me man.

This shit gets more comical by the minute. I need to talk to you on ICQ sometime BoneProne.

No you need the documents to make sure the guy you are buying from has the rights to resell the content and that on that particular shoot she signed away Internet rights. Or do you fancy facing Jennas lawyer in court??

LOL....

Dude, you are too funny. You know what I am talking about. :)

Consider it done.

Now he's new to the family.
Im trying to convince him all this is for the best.

One step at a time. Sobe will be fine.
I broght him aboard becasuse he was a cool mopther fucker with good conetnt for dirt cheap. He's been selling to me and the family for dirt fucking cheap. It was my idea to have em come here and give this rate to everyone on GFY. He agreed.

I think he has gotten more than he bargined for here at GFY, but I would have it no other way!!

Everyone who has initally entered GFY and the family has had it rough the first few weeks.

God i remeber the time Aaron "the mole" had back in the day.
The way he handled him self in that beat in showed me he was the man for the job of right hand man of the faimly..

Give sobe a chance and some time. He's head strong too. BUt I have a feeling things will work out fine.

If Aaron doesnt shoot him first.

No. And we wont talk about it.
THat was in the past and not for GFY to share.

Fucking Russians.

He ain't full on family yet. In fact, he will be damn luck if he ever is. You and I need to talk.

Call me tomorrow.

Obviously in a business where we rarely meet face to face, you feel someones word is not to be relied on either.

He said he would provide them, then pulled a fast one by upping the price. Nice business practise.

LMFAO!

STOP IT! My sides are hurting from the laughter.

That's good for the US govt because right now we all have the defense that the govt has declined almost all offers to provide guidelines and defintions. This will make it hard for them to prosecute past "offenses." AND, knowing what the standards are henceforth, it will be easier to comply.

I agree with that.
The price increase is an important point. That shows it wasn't a concern about the ID then.

You can't trust those BP4L types.

Unseen,

do you really ride bicycles all around town with your camera?

Absolutely, it just makes it easier to pursue with a lawyer if it's registered with the copyright office.

lol...You know, for the amount of shit you flick me, I still think I like you. Not that you care...Which is probably why I feel this way in the first place. :)

What the hell?

LOL....I guess you missed that thread.

BTW, Turn on your ICQ.

Bro my ICQ is on 173847572.

God damnit the number in my sig was wrong but it's fixed now. However if you just click the little link where it shows my ICQ you can message me straight from there.

yeah same here.
he kinda has that attitude. That spark..

We need to corupt him to the dark side.

mr. rogers of porn

2257 was a very bad and hastily written law. It tried to say that US publishers should have the documents, it defined a publisher as someone who alters/edits the content. Then it was decided in court that webmasters are not primary publishers. Was this a webmaster that altered an image?

Thw whole thing is a mess. Why do they not give guidelines? Cos they do not know what they should be.

My thoughts exactly.

hmmm.
I wonder if he craves the cock?

Not bloody likely.

OK Boneprone has spoken, he said fess up the docs... you can blank out the adresses, but you promised the docs before the sale, and a man has to stand by his words, or start issuing refunds...

SoBe -- are you a man of his word?

I suggest you scan and make PDF's cheaper than mail....

LB

Seems Sobe doesn't have much respect for Family Law:

I want *ALL* of my sets and *ALL* of the docs you asshole! :321GFY