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  • Bladewire
    StraightBro
    • Aug 2003
    • 56228
    #51
    Originally posted by StefanG
    the fuck she did, she just didn't put up the army at the border after Hungary and Austria let them pass

    all you do is parrot false propaganda, you really should spend your precious time doing more pleasant things
    Originally posted by StefanG


    (don't even know where to start - I go work instead of this nonsense)
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      • CaptainHowdy
        Too lazy to set a custom title
        • Dec 2004
        • 94732
        #52

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          • Sarn
            WW3
            • Sep 2015
            • 12405
            #53
            Originally posted by klinton
            Germany...always on the mission...



            Originally posted by StefanG
            well, at least we don't need to send undercover soldiers into foreign territory to steal it, right?
            Originally posted by StefanG
            no, it's actually a sign how Trump has unleashed nationalism - and you being a fine example
            and you are completely wrong about the NATO part - but it's not surprising, Trump also doesn't understand how NATO works
            germoni in nato
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              • nico-t
                emperor of my world
                • Aug 2004
                • 29903
                #54
                Corrupt anti-democratic totalitarian regime running a "union" which is on the brink of collapse because of the euro (no citizens vote), hundreds of billions of contribution going nowhere (no citizens vote) and the mass immigration agenda (no citizens vote). But yes it's such a great club to be part of... jesus i wonder what you've been smoking, it really clouds your brain.

                May is an EU stooge who has to make a deal against her and her puppet masters wishes and interests. If they could, they would ignore the citizens and wipe their ass with the democratic vote, like they always do. But they can't, and May comes home with a "compromise" essentially saying the UK will leave the EU, but in reality will still be part of it... a spit in the face of the voters.

                Out with May who represents the EU before her country, do a hard no deal Brexit and be free of EU prison... The EU needs the UK more than vice versa for gods sake. The EU is burning, literally!
                Someone who actually would put the UK first would have left the EU by now and let the EU fuck itself up like they've been doing the last decades.

                And anyone who actually supports the ludicrous anti democratic 'second referendum' idea should move to a dictatorship, since you cannot handle REAL DEMOCRACY.

                FREEDOM!

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                  • TheSquealer
                    Mayor of Thneedville
                    • Oct 2004
                    • 26174
                    #55
                    It's completely fucking insane to watch people defend the surrender of their borders, their nation, their legal system, their economy, their currency, their banking rules and regulations, their immigration policies, their very sense of identity, etc to a foreign power.

                    Only a lazy coward thinks like that... or thinks that is acceptable.

                    No nation ever became great, thrived and endured by surrendering to another power.

                    Only a fucking idiot can look at that scenario and not understand that like Communism, it fully contradicts who and what we are as a species and is doomed to fail. We are tribal. The idea is "join the non-tribe". That's so fucking idiotic.

                    It's completely fucking insane that some of you retards can't understand why another nation on the other end of the continent, who doesn't share your history, your language, your culture or your values wants to preserve their identity and who and what they are and control their own fate and destiny

                    As usual, King Smug Self Righteous German Dickhead himself, Stefan calls you ugly names with horrible connotations if your a Latvian Farmer who has his own feelings on the issue. "join us or you're a cunt". Such solid arguments really make it sound like a real great place to be.

                    God forbid people actually choose their own destiny. Only those who are a real threat to freedom and democracy would view the idea that people should have the right to choose their own destiny and shape their own future with their own hands, with disdain.
                    .
                    Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens.

                    Rochard

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                      • thommy
                        Confirmed User
                        • Jun 2003
                        • 5469
                        #56
                        Originally posted by Paul Markham

                        Merkel invited the migrants in. Germany hould deal with it.
                        what a fucking nonsense !!!!!

                        the refugees came to EUROPE and not to germany.

                        Germany took only the most of them because it is the obligation of EVERY COUNTRY that signed the Geneva Convetion.

                        Why a fuck you want to blame Germany for standing what they have signed for ?
                        Blame the others who didn´t do that and Germany would have a lot less of them.

                        why do you worry the german people ?

                        We can deal with that.
                        It is not our problem when people like you are too weak to do that.

                        The entire reason so many Eurozone countries are in a mess is the fault of the EU. They launched the currency without any central control of spending and borrowing, then they allowed anyone who applied to have the Euro. This is the mess the EU created.
                        paul you should really shut the fuck up because you have no idea what you are talking about.

                        EVERY counzry that joined the EU had a SIGNIFICANT increase of GDP.

                        if you post numbers of countries with high debt you should also show the historical number because ALL of them lowered their negative balance in the past years.

                        the only one that is still INCREASING the dept even faster after the end of the financial crisis is your good moron friend trump. he's given all americans a bird-cawed economic growth for which they pay themselves because it's 100% based on debt.

                        the GDP in the US went from 2017 to 2018 from 18,6 to 20,3 trillion
                        so a plus of 1,7 trillion.
                        in the same time the government dept went up from 19.8 trillion to 21.8 trillion
                        a plus of 2.0 trillion

                        so what a fuck are you talking about ???

                        can´t you accept facts or are you too stupid for simple maths ?
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                          • klinton
                            So Fucking Banned
                            • Apr 2003
                            • 8766
                            #57
                            Originally posted by Sarn
                            Hey Ruskie, look:

                            Nazi Soviets together in Moscow in 1941 !!!!



                            Do they teach that in schools in (Soviet) Russia today ?

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                              • klinton
                                So Fucking Banned
                                • Apr 2003
                                • 8766
                                #58
                                Originally posted by TheSquealer
                                It's completely fucking insane to watch people defend the surrender of their borders, their nation, their legal system, their economy, their currency, their banking rules and regulations, their immigration policies, their very sense of identity, etc to a foreign power.

                                Only a lazy coward thinks like that... or thinks that is acceptable.

                                No nation ever became great, thrived and endured by surrendering to another power.

                                Only a fucking idiot can look at that scenario and not understand that like Communism, it fully contradicts who and what we are as a species and is doomed to fail. We are tribal. The idea is "join the non-tribe". That's so fucking idiotic.

                                It's completely fucking insane that some of you retards can't understand why another nation on the other end of the continent, who doesn't share your history, your language, your culture or your values wants to preserve their identity and who and what they are and control their own fate and destiny

                                As usual, King Smug Self Righteous German Dickhead himself, Stefan calls you ugly names with horrible connotations if your a Latvian Farmer who has his own feelings on the issue. "join us or you're a cunt". Such solid arguments really make it sound like a real great place to be.

                                God forbid people actually choose their own destiny. Only those who are a real threat to freedom and democracy would view the idea that people should have the right to choose their own destiny and shape their own future with their own hands, with disdain.
                                divided Europe will be for sure strong
                                such a wonderful gift to Russia, USA and China
                                thx for your concerns !
                                ps. I respect UK decision, no reason for a hostility between EU and UK

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                                  • Sarn
                                    WW3
                                    • Sep 2015
                                    • 12405
                                    #59
                                    Originally posted by klinton
                                    divided Europe will be for sure strong
                                    such a wonderful gift to Russia, USA and China
                                    thx for your concerns !
                                    ps. I respect UK decision, no reason for a hostility between EU and UK
                                    already gone 23 years and Poland still not have no one invasion as in old good times

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                                      • DraX
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Oct 2002
                                        • 7147
                                        #60
                                        Originally posted by StefanG
                                        funny how that works, right?

                                        if protesters go against G20 and put up barricades and destroy stuff, then it's the evil left that needs to be locked up

                                        if protesters do the same against the French government then they are suddenly heroes and we all should follow them?

                                        not mentioning that this is a purely internal French problem which has nothing to do with the EU

                                        You're truly messed up in the head, but that's alright, we know what you are and what you stand for. Very predictable and a useful idiot of the European closed community of the elite.
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                                          • Paul Markham
                                            Too old to care
                                            • Jun 2001
                                            • 52942
                                            #61
                                            Originally posted by StefanG
                                            the fuck she did, she just didn't put up the army at the border after Hungary and Austria let them pass

                                            all you do is parrot false propaganda, you really should spend your precious time doing more pleasant things
                                            The EU fails to protect it's borders from illegal migrants which contains criminals and terrorists. No army was sent to Greece, Spain and Italy to protect their borders.

                                            After Merkel invited them in. https://www.google.com/search?ei=DN0...30.klQ9kS8i-Jc



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                                              • Paul Markham
                                                Too old to care
                                                • Jun 2001
                                                • 52942
                                                #62
                                                Originally posted by thommy
                                                what a fucking nonsense !!!!!

                                                the refugees came to EUROPE and not to germany.

                                                Germany took only the most of them because it is the obligation of EVERY COUNTRY that signed the Geneva Convetion.

                                                Why a fuck you want to blame Germany for standing what they have signed for ?
                                                Blame the others who didn´t do that and Germany would have a lot less of them.

                                                why do you worry the german people ?

                                                We can deal with that.
                                                It is not our problem when people like you are too weak to do that.

                                                https://www.google.com/search?ei=DN0...30.klQ9kS8i-Jc

                                                Merkel invited them in knowing the EU has few effective borders. The Geneva Convention is about Asylum seekers and not illegal migration. You should shut the fuck up because you have no idea what you are talking about.

                                                paul you should really shut the fuck up because you have no idea what you are talking about.
                                                EVERY counzry that joined the EU had a SIGNIFICANT increase of GDP.

                                                if you post numbers of countries with high debt you should also show the historical number because ALL of them lowered their negative balance in the past years.

                                                the only one that is still INCREASING the dept even faster after the end of the financial crisis is your good moron friend trump. he's given all americans a bird-cawed economic growth for which they pay themselves because it's 100% based on debt.

                                                the GDP in the US went from 2017 to 2018 from 18,6 to 20,3 trillion
                                                so a plus of 1,7 trillion.
                                                in the same time the government dept went up from 19.8 trillion to 21.8 trillion
                                                a plus of 2.0 trillion

                                                so what a fuck are you talking about ???

                                                can´t you accept facts or are you too stupid for simple maths ?
                                                The figures I posted were from debt in relationship to GDP. Can´t you accept facts or are you too stupid for simple maths ?

                                                The truth is few countries in the EU are able to pay for the rising costs of looking after their citizens. Why do you think this is?



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                                                  • Paul Markham
                                                    Too old to care
                                                    • Jun 2001
                                                    • 52942
                                                    #63
                                                    Originally posted by TheSquealer
                                                    It's completely fucking insane to watch people defend the surrender of their borders, their nation, their legal system, their economy, their currency, their banking rules and regulations, their immigration policies, their very sense of identity, etc to a foreign power.

                                                    Only a lazy coward thinks like that... or thinks that is acceptable.

                                                    No nation ever became great, thrived and endured by surrendering to another power.

                                                    Only a fucking idiot can look at that scenario and not understand that like Communism, it fully contradicts who and what we are as a species and is doomed to fail. We are tribal. The idea is "join the non-tribe". That's so fucking idiotic.

                                                    It's completely fucking insane that some of you retards can't understand why another nation on the other end of the continent, who doesn't share your history, your language, your culture or your values wants to preserve their identity and who and what they are and control their own fate and destiny

                                                    As usual, King Smug Self Righteous German Dickhead himself, Stefan calls you ugly names with horrible connotations if your a Latvian Farmer who has his own feelings on the issue. "join us or you're a cunt". Such solid arguments really make it sound like a real great place to be.

                                                    God forbid people actually choose their own destiny. Only those who are a real threat to freedom and democracy would view the idea that people should have the right to choose their own destiny and shape their own future with their own hands, with disdain.
                                                    All this takes a back seat in their drive to unite Europe under a single government with no say from the people. Both Thommy and Stefan can trip out in look at how well Germany and big corporations have done. Ignoring the facts that most Europeans are poorer because of their stupid governments and the EU.

                                                    Don't forget Thommy.



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                                                      • Paul Markham
                                                        Too old to care
                                                        • Jun 2001
                                                        • 52942
                                                        #64
                                                        Originally posted by Bladewire
                                                        This is how communicating with Trump propoganda zombies usually goes:

                                                        Trumper: Tells a lie or series of lies

                                                        Patriot: Posts links to prove they are wrong

                                                        Trumper: Changes subject, tells another lie or series of lies

                                                        Patriot: Posts links to prove they are wrong. Reminds Trumper that you showed them proof before.

                                                        Trumper: Fake news

                                                        Patriot: Facts are facts

                                                        Trumper: Well Hillary Clinton (fill in the blank)

                                                        Patriot: Posts links to prove they are wrong

                                                        Trumper: Well Obama (fill in the blank)

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                                                          • pimpmaster9000
                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                            • Dec 2011
                                                            • 26732
                                                            #65
                                                            Originally posted by TheSquealer
                                                            It's completely fucking insane to watch people defend the surrender of their borders, their nation, their legal system, their economy, their currency, their banking rules and regulations, their immigration policies, their very sense of identity, etc to a foreign power.

                                                            Only a lazy coward thinks like that... or thinks that is acceptable.

                                                            No nation ever became great, thrived and endured by surrendering to another power.

                                                            Only a fucking idiot can look at that scenario and not understand that like Communism, it fully contradicts who and what we are as a species and is doomed to fail. We are tribal. The idea is "join the non-tribe". That's so fucking idiotic.

                                                            It's completely fucking insane that some of you retards can't understand why another nation on the other end of the continent, who doesn't share your history, your language, your culture or your values wants to preserve their identity and who and what they are and control their own fate and destiny

                                                            As usual, King Smug Self Righteous German Dickhead himself, Stefan calls you ugly names with horrible connotations if your a Latvian Farmer who has his own feelings on the issue. "join us or you're a cunt". Such solid arguments really make it sound like a real great place to be.

                                                            God forbid people actually choose their own destiny. Only those who are a real threat to freedom and democracy would view the idea that people should have the right to choose their own destiny and shape their own future with their own hands, with disdain.
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                                                              • Paul Markham
                                                                Too old to care
                                                                • Jun 2001
                                                                • 52942
                                                                #66
                                                                When a club has to threaten members who want leave with a complete mess. You know they are scared others will follow.

                                                                A club that can't appeal to it's members is doomed.



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                                                                  • NewNick
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                                                                    • Mar 2009
                                                                    • 7229
                                                                    #67
                                                                    Originally posted by TheSquealer
                                                                    It's completely fucking insane to watch people defend the surrender of their borders, their nation, their legal system, their economy, their currency, their banking rules and regulations, their immigration policies, their very sense of identity, etc to a foreign power.

                                                                    Only a lazy coward thinks like that... or thinks that is acceptable.

                                                                    No


                                                                    .
                                                                    The EU is a Union of States. No one surrenders anything.

                                                                    If that is a bit to complicated for you think about the United States of America.

                                                                    Similar but different. The countries of Europe that make up the EU actually have their own governments and elections. Their own armed forces and defense policy. Their soverenty is actually enshrined in law.

                                                                    So really my boy you are barking up the wrong tree attacking the Eu if that rant is what you really believe. It sounds like you should be looking closer to home.

                                                                    Or are you just talking out of your arse again ?
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                                                                      • Paul Markham
                                                                        Too old to care
                                                                        • Jun 2001
                                                                        • 52942
                                                                        #68
                                                                        Originally posted by NewNick
                                                                        The EU is a Union of States. No one surrenders anything.

                                                                        If that is a bit to complicated for you think about the United States of America.

                                                                        Similar but different. The countries of Europe that make up the EU actually have their own governments and elections. Their own armed forces and defense policy. Their soverenty is actually enshrined in law.

                                                                        So really my boy you are barking up the wrong tree attacking the Eu if that rant is what you really believe. It sounds like you should be looking closer to home.

                                                                        Or are you just talking out of your arse again ?
                                                                        So why does EU law supersede the laws of the different States?



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                                                                          • Bladewire
                                                                            StraightBro
                                                                            • Aug 2003
                                                                            • 56228
                                                                            #69
                                                                            Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                            So why does EU law supersede the laws of the different States?
                                                                            In America Federal law supersedes state law, just like EU vs state law.

                                                                            Why do you hate America & EU so much Paul?

                                                                            Why do you want the United States & the United EU weakened and broken up Paul? Russia & China wants THE EU & United States weaker & broken up as well.


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                                                                              • sardelkin
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • Nov 2005
                                                                                • 125
                                                                                #70

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                                                                                  • NewNick
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Mar 2009
                                                                                    • 7229
                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                    So why does EU law supersede the laws of the different States?
                                                                                    Paul, in some minor policy areas Eu law is given priority by ALL member states. Otherwise it would not work.

                                                                                    Therefore there is an EU wide common fishing policy. But in terms of defense, tax, foreign policy, elections etc etc UK law is sovereign.

                                                                                    Do you understand yet Paul ?
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                                                                                      • NewNick
                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                        • Mar 2009
                                                                                        • 7229
                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                        The figures I posted were from debt in relationship to GDP. Can´t you accept facts or are you too stupid for simple maths ?

                                                                                        The truth is few countries in the EU are able to pay for the rising costs of looking after their citizens. Why do you think this is?

                                                                                        Paul, the countries that had to be bailed out by the EU were not the ones like the UK and Germany who put in more than they receive.

                                                                                        The likes of Greece were already net gain from the EU. Their financial problems were a simple case of their governments financial incompetence.
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                                                                                          • thommy
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • Jun 2003
                                                                                            • 5469
                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            Originally posted by NewNick
                                                                                            The likes of Greece were already net gain from the EU. Their financial problems were a simple case of their governments financial incompetence.
                                                                                            not to forget that the "greece problem" lead to the low interest rate.

                                                                                            ALL countries with higher dept have been able to reduce this debt for this reason.

                                                                                            even germany what had one of the lowest debts in the EU saved til today a few hundred billion in interest and lowered the total debt significant. countries with higher debt than Germany had saved a lot more - thanks greece !!!

                                                                                            but don´t try to explain that to paul - he can think from his wallet to his trouser pocked and back. he will never have the big view on those things as he simply does not have the skills for it.
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                                                                                              • thommy
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                                                                                                • Jun 2003
                                                                                                • 5469
                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                Originally posted by NewNick
                                                                                                Paul, in some minor policy areas Eu law is given priority by ALL member states. Otherwise it would not work.

                                                                                                Therefore there is an EU wide common fishing policy. But in terms of defense, tax, foreign policy, elections etc etc UK law is sovereign.

                                                                                                Do you understand yet Paul ?
                                                                                                I will tell you how people like paul understand the EU:

                                                                                                let´s say an Asutrian company delivers jam to UK and writes on it "Marmelade" the brits came up with an EU law that this have to be ruled.
                                                                                                and yes the EU did it and in the complete EU it is obligate to write "Marmelade" on marmelade and Jam or confiture on Jam.
                                                                                                And this even when the austrian german does not have a word for Jam or confiture. they only knew it as marmelade but they accepted it.

                                                                                                when the EU agreed to take the decimal system as a common measure, the British were completely angry with the EU because they calculate everything in inches.

                                                                                                if the majority of the EU would have agreed to take over the english system (which nobody knows), the EU would be something good. but since they didn't do that, the brits call it unfair and expose it to their own laws.

                                                                                                in short: as long as everything is done the way the brits want it to be, such a community is good from a british point of view. as soon as they have to move their ass themselves and adapt, it just doesn't work.

                                                                                                so I personally think it's good if they go out of the EU. I'm only afraid in 5-6 years they'll beg on their knees to be allowed to go back in because they'll have noticed that 50 million little people are too easily overlooked in a global market of 8000 million people.
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                                                                                                  • Manfap
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                                                                                                    • Jan 2013
                                                                                                    • 2626
                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    Originally posted by thommy
                                                                                                    let´s say an Asutrian company delivers jam to UK and writes on it "Marmelade" the brits came up with an EU law that this have to be ruled.
                                                                                                    and yes the EU did it and in the complete EU it is obligate to write "Marmelade" on marmelade and Jam or confiture on Jam.
                                                                                                    And this even when the austrian german does not have a word for Jam or confiture. they only knew it as marmelade but they accepted it.
                                                                                                    First off it's marmalade with an a.
                                                                                                    Jam is not marmalade, there is a difference. It is not the UK's fault that people do not know the difference between jam and marmalade.

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                                                                                                      • klinton
                                                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                        • Apr 2003
                                                                                                        • 8766
                                                                                                        #76
                                                                                                        Originally posted by Manfap
                                                                                                        First off it's marmalade with an a.
                                                                                                        Jam is not marmalade, there is a difference. It is not the UK's fault that people do not know the difference between jam and marmalade.

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                                                                                                          • klinton
                                                                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                            • Apr 2003
                                                                                                            • 8766
                                                                                                            #77
                                                                                                            Originally posted by thommy
                                                                                                            so I personally think it's good if they go out of the EU. I'm only afraid in 5-6 years they'll beg on their knees to be allowed to go back in because they'll have noticed that 50 million little people are too easily overlooked in a global market of 8000 million people.


                                                                                                            more taxes, more laws, more burreaucracy - if thats EU recpie for success, then good luck with that.
                                                                                                            France and Italy are the best examples for that.

                                                                                                            for some "strange" reasons the capital prefers other destinations...

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                                                                                                              • P_RABID
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                                                                                                                • Apr 2017
                                                                                                                • 514
                                                                                                                #78
                                                                                                                Originally posted by StefanG
                                                                                                                Thanks to the chaos and insanity the Brexit has caused, no other country will consider leaving the EU for a long long time

                                                                                                                If this one ever happens, that is.
                                                                                                                The EU will eventually collapse, its not a matter of if, but a matter of when, Its a Domino effect that will be unleashed when one of the major Contributers to the EU exits.

                                                                                                                What happened with the country Greece Grexiting a few years back was a stunt to show other EU countries that if you leave, this is what happens if you go against the family (EU).

                                                                                                                When Britain leaves, then France will, if France goes, bye bye Italy. Then its RIP EURO ZONE.

                                                                                                                The idea of a Fake United Europe was never gonna work, all the countries are different people with different histories and different languages.

                                                                                                                Germany has not changed since the 1940's, they still want to rule over Europe. Only now they dont need machine guns, just banks.

                                                                                                                So when the OP says "If this one ever happens, that is." oh it will, All good things come to an end.

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                                                                                                                  • thommy
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                                                                                                                    • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                    • 5469
                                                                                                                    #79
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Manfap
                                                                                                                    First off it's marmalade with an a.
                                                                                                                    Jam is not marmalade, there is a difference. It is not the UK's fault that people do not know the difference between jam and marmalade.
                                                                                                                    that´s correct and it WAS fixed by a EU law.
                                                                                                                    but the same happens when it comes to the decimal system.
                                                                                                                    the majority of europe is not used to the english metrics and now the decimal system is the standard.

                                                                                                                    but in THAT case you call it paternalism.
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                                                                                                                      • Manfap
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                                                                                                                        #80
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by thommy
                                                                                                                        that´s correct and it WAS fixed by a EU law.
                                                                                                                        but the same happens when it comes to the decimal system.
                                                                                                                        the majority of europe is not used to the english metrics and now the decimal system is the standard.

                                                                                                                        but in THAT case you call it paternalism.

                                                                                                                        The UK uses the metric system, it changed all it's measurements to conform with the EU, so not sure where you are going with that?

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                                                                                                                          • Paul Markham
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                                                                                                                            • Jun 2001
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                                                                                                                            #81
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Bladewire
                                                                                                                            In America Federal law supersedes state law, just like EU vs state law.

                                                                                                                            Why do you hate America & EU so much Paul?

                                                                                                                            Why do you want the United States & the United EU weakened and broken up Paul? Russia & China wants THE EU & United States weaker & broken up as well.
                                                                                                                            America's history is not Europe's history.

                                                                                                                            TM deal ties the UK until the EU gives them permission to leave, which in effect until the UK agrees to the terms the EU decides.



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                                                                                                                              • Paul Markham
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                                                                                                                                #82
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by thommy
                                                                                                                                not to forget that the "greece problem" lead to the low interest rate.

                                                                                                                                ALL countries with higher dept have been able to reduce this debt for this reason.

                                                                                                                                even germany what had one of the lowest debts in the EU saved til today a few hundred billion in interest and lowered the total debt significant. countries with higher debt than Germany had saved a lot more - thanks greece !!!

                                                                                                                                but don´t try to explain that to paul - he can think from his wallet to his trouser pocked and back. he will never have the big view on those things as he simply does not have the skills for it.
                                                                                                                                So how come debt to GDP has risen?

                                                                                                                                You're refusing to address why need to borrow so much? Shouldn't the rising wages of the people support the extra needs?



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                                                                                                                                  • Paul Markham
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                                                                                                                                    #83
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by thommy
                                                                                                                                    I will tell you how people like paul understand the EU:

                                                                                                                                    let´s say an Asutrian company delivers jam to UK and writes on it "Marmelade" the brits came up with an EU law that this have to be ruled.
                                                                                                                                    and yes the EU did it and in the complete EU it is obligate to write "Marmelade" on marmelade and Jam or confiture on Jam.
                                                                                                                                    And this even when the austrian german does not have a word for Jam or confiture. they only knew it as marmelade but they accepted it.

                                                                                                                                    when the EU agreed to take the decimal system as a common measure, the British were completely angry with the EU because they calculate everything in inches.

                                                                                                                                    if the majority of the EU would have agreed to take over the english system (which nobody knows), the EU would be something good. but since they didn't do that, the brits call it unfair and expose it to their own laws.

                                                                                                                                    in short: as long as everything is done the way the brits want it to be, such a community is good from a british point of view. as soon as they have to move their ass themselves and adapt, it just doesn't work.

                                                                                                                                    so I personally think it's good if they go out of the EU. I'm only afraid in 5-6 years they'll beg on their knees to be allowed to go back in because they'll have noticed that 50 million little people are too easily overlooked in a global market of 8000 million people.
                                                                                                                                    A little country like Czech will be happy with being part of a big club giving it money. A powerful country like the UK can negotiate better and faster trade deals for itself.

                                                                                                                                    You still don't get it do you Thommy the UK wants to join leave this expensive club. If you think it's good, then shut the fuck up.



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                                                                                                                                      • Manfap
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                                                                                                                                        #84
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                        A little country like Czech will be happy with being part of a big club giving it money. A powerful country like the UK can negotiate better and faster trade deals for itself.

                                                                                                                                        You still don't get it do you Thommy the UK wants to join leave this expensive club. If you think it's good, then shut the fuck up.
                                                                                                                                        Not sure about better, but Brexit is not really about trade anyway, UK was doing well as part of a trading block, the trade bit is the only bit that works well.

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                                                                                                                                          • DraX
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                                                                                                                                            #85
                                                                                                                                            You know insanity is at play when in 2018 Thommy defends Merkel, Germany, EU and mass immigration politics.
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                                                                                                                                              • celandina
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                                                                                                                                                  • Paul Markham
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                                                                                                                                                    #87
                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Manfap
                                                                                                                                                    Not sure about better, but Brexit is not really about trade anyway, UK was doing well as part of a trading block, the trade bit is the only bit that works well.
                                                                                                                                                    So why won't the EU give the UK a free trade deal and the EU can keep the rest?



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                                                                                                                                                      • Bladewire
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                                                                                                                                                        #88
                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                                        America's history is not Europe's history.

                                                                                                                                                        TM deal ties the UK until the EU gives them permission to leave, which in effect until the UK agrees to the terms the EU decides.
                                                                                                                                                        Your answer had nothing to do with my post.

                                                                                                                                                        You didn't answer the question I asked you.


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                                                                                                                                                          • Manfap
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                                                                                                                                                            #89
                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                                            So why won't the EU give the UK a free trade deal and the EU can keep the rest?
                                                                                                                                                            Because then everyone who pays more than they receive would want one.

                                                                                                                                                            I'm antibrexit for the selfish reason that I live in Spain, so it's a pain in the arse.
                                                                                                                                                            I haven't lived in the UK for 20+ years, so have no idea if the bollocks from both sides are true or not.

                                                                                                                                                            Brexit is a protest vote, that people didn't think would happen. It is an anti successive UK gov vote just as it an anti EU one.

                                                                                                                                                            It's not finished yet though, it's such a cluster fuck it probably wont happen.

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                                                                                                                                                              • thommy
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                                                                                                                                                                #90
                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Manfap
                                                                                                                                                                The UK uses the metric system, it changed all it's measurements to conform with the EU, so not sure where you are going with that?
                                                                                                                                                                this is exactly what i said. and sure they HAD to do it same as others did it other way round.

                                                                                                                                                                but while some see it as a comparison of standards, others see it as paternalism.

                                                                                                                                                                and this is probably the problem when people do not understand that a community or union consists of giving and taking.
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                                                                                                                                                                  • thommy
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                                                                                                                                                                    #91
                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                                                    So how come debt to GDP has risen?

                                                                                                                                                                    You're refusing to address why need to borrow so much? Shouldn't the rising wages of the people support the extra needs?
                                                                                                                                                                    have you been in coma when we had the financial crisis or why do you ask such silly questions?

                                                                                                                                                                    and yes it was correct to make debt and push money in the markets but after there should be the time of lowering the debt.

                                                                                                                                                                    ALL european countries did that - even greece, italy, spain and portugal.
                                                                                                                                                                    and yes they are still on a high level but decreasing while trump is increasing the US debt to a new high every month.

                                                                                                                                                                    and all he does is the opposite.
                                                                                                                                                                    look if you can find the new import price index for US.

                                                                                                                                                                    professionals already assumed that the import prices will decrease again -1,1% was their
                                                                                                                                                                    guess. the reality is -1.6%. should the tariffs not make those products more expensive?
                                                                                                                                                                    yes they do - but this bill have to be paid by the american consumers and not from the chinese.

                                                                                                                                                                    here you see a very nice effect of trump´s trade war.
                                                                                                                                                                    the effect is that the target countries economy will stuck. when the economy stucks the currency of this country falls. when the currency falls the products get cheaper.

                                                                                                                                                                    and the other effect is that such a country with a low economy and a weak currency will not be able to buy products from US and this is why the exports suffer also.

                                                                                                                                                                    so all is very logic and predictable by simply using the brain (if there is one)
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                                                                                                                                                                      • thommy
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                                                                                                                                                                        #92
                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                                                        So why won't the EU give the UK a free trade deal and the EU can keep the rest?
                                                                                                                                                                        did the UK have a free trade deal BEFORE the EU ?

                                                                                                                                                                        NO !

                                                                                                                                                                        So why should they get one after they leave?

                                                                                                                                                                        and for what?
                                                                                                                                                                        the UK is so strong and they paid so much in the EU that they never have to work anymore with all that money they are saving from now on.

                                                                                                                                                                        but the truth will be as always in the middle. same as the EU deals with other non EU countries (since yesterday they have the biggest deal ever with Japan) it will be a deal on the same level. so if the UK want to deal with the whole world they simply have to give everybody 10 times more money that they can consume the goods they need to IMPORT to export to another country.

                                                                                                                                                                        if the EU would make a trade deal with the eskimos and the eskimos buy only when the EU buys their polar bear skins , it would not mean that the people in south italy have to buy and wear them. but the sweds and the norwegians will be happy. good thanks that we have the EU from north to south and every country can deal everything with everybody because one of the EU countries will need it.

                                                                                                                                                                        so be prepared to buy a lot of chopsticks from China to sell them in return the subsidized agricultural products from the UK.
                                                                                                                                                                        but I think britain have to subside them even a bit more because no country in the world will pay a higher price for transportation costs just because UK trucks will wait hours at the new border to europe.
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                                                                                                                                                                          • thommy
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                                                                                                                                                                            #93
                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Manfap

                                                                                                                                                                            Brexit is a protest vote, that people didn't think would happen. It is an anti successive UK gov vote just as it an anti EU one.

                                                                                                                                                                            It's not finished yet though, it's such a cluster fuck it probably wont happen.
                                                                                                                                                                            this hits the nail !

                                                                                                                                                                            it WAS a protest and there was and is enough reason for it.

                                                                                                                                                                            one of the main reasons is, that the EU had in fact no other rights or works to do as to define the length of a banana. and this is not because they have too much power - it is because they do not have ENOUGH power.

                                                                                                                                                                            There are still so many inequalities and contradictory rules in the EU that one cannot really speak of a perfect community.

                                                                                                                                                                            our industry is the best example.
                                                                                                                                                                            when a dutchman builds porn sites, he can confidently write it on his front door. if a german, a polish or a french webmaster does it, he ends up in prison.

                                                                                                                                                                            and because every country insists that its bans and not its freedoms flow into the EU, we have a sea of banned instead of a sea of freedoms. and yes that also annoys me !
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                                                                                                                                                                              • The Porn Nerd
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                                                                                                                                                                                #94
                                                                                                                                                                                I spent three months in the EU this summer and all I can say is, there are GOOD things about the EU (easier travel between borders, one common currency, etc) and there are some BAD things about the EU (the loss of cultural identity between countries, the ever-present threat of ultra-conservative totalitarianism, etc). So basically the EU is like everywhere else.

                                                                                                                                                                                Thank God for English because the language situation over there is a total fucking mess. LOL
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                                                                                                                                                                                  • TheSquealer
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                                                                                                                                                                                    • Oct 2004
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                                                                                                                                                                                    #95
                                                                                                                                                                                    It's downright surreal watching people act like joining or leaving a group like the EU is like joining some sort of violent street gang. Blood in, blood out. That says more about the EU and it's nature than Britain leaving it does.
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                                                                                                                                                                                    Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens.

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                                                                                                                                                                                      • klinton
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                                                                                                                                                                                        • Apr 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                        • 8766
                                                                                                                                                                                        #96
                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by celandina
                                                                                                                                                                                        I prefer much more British "disorder" and "disunity" than your Russian "unity" and what stands behind it.

                                                                                                                                                                                        funny that Brits are one of the few countries in Europe aware of real Ruskies mentality and policies since centuries and you are SO triggered by it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          • Manfap
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                                                                                                                                                                                            #97
                                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by The Porn Nerd
                                                                                                                                                                                            Thank God for English because the language situation over there is a total fucking mess. LOL
                                                                                                                                                                                            A mess? 1'000's of years of different cultures, and you define that as a mess.

                                                                                                                                                                                            Next time stay in the US.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              • _Richard_
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                                                                                                                                                                                                #98
                                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by rogueteens
                                                                                                                                                                                                yup awkward moment seeing that

                                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by celandina

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Paul Markham
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • 52942
                                                                                                                                                                                                    #99
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Manfap
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Because then everyone who pays more than they receive would want one.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    I'm antibrexit for the selfish reason that I live in Spain, so it's a pain in the arse.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    I haven't lived in the UK for 20+ years, so have no idea if the bollocks from both sides are true or not.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Brexit is a protest vote, that people didn't think would happen. It is an anti successive UK gov vote just as it an anti EU one.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    It's not finished yet though, it's such a cluster fuck it probably wont happen.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Are you suggesting that more countries would decide to leave this marvellous group?



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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Paul Markham
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                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • 52942
                                                                                                                                                                                                        #100
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by thommy
                                                                                                                                                                                                        have you been in coma when we had the financial crisis or why do you ask such silly questions?

                                                                                                                                                                                                        and yes it was correct to make debt and push money in the markets but after there should be the time of lowering the debt.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        ALL european countries did that - even greece, italy, spain and portugal.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        and yes they are still on a high level but decreasing while trump is increasing the US debt to a new high every month.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        and all he does is the opposite.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        look if you can find the new import price index for US.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        professionals already assumed that the import prices will decrease again -1,1% was their
                                                                                                                                                                                                        guess. the reality is -1.6%. should the tariffs not make those products more expensive?
                                                                                                                                                                                                        yes they do - but this bill have to be paid by the american consumers and not from the chinese.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        here you see a very nice effect of trump´s trade war.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        the effect is that the target countries economy will stuck. when the economy stucks the currency of this country falls. when the currency falls the products get cheaper.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        and the other effect is that such a country with a low economy and a weak currency will not be able to buy products from US and this is why the exports suffer also.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        so all is very logic and predictable by simply using the brain (if there is one)
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Stop shifting the subject to Trump.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                        https://www.statista.com/statistics/...c-product-gdp/

                                                                                                                                                                                                        You failed to address the reasons for governments to borrow so much. Why are so many reliant on Welfare?



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