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Sarn

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nico-t

Corrupt anti-democratic totalitarian regime running a "union" which is on the brink of collapse because of the euro (no citizens vote), hundreds of billions of contribution going nowhere (no citizens vote) and the mass immigration agenda (no citizens vote). But yes it's such a great club to be part of... jesus i wonder what you've been smoking, it really clouds your brain.

May is an EU stooge who has to make a deal against her and her puppet masters wishes and interests. If they could, they would ignore the citizens and wipe their ass with the democratic vote, like they always do. But they can't, and May comes home with a "compromise" essentially saying the UK will leave the EU, but in reality will still be part of it... a spit in the face of the voters.

Out with May who represents the EU before her country, do a hard no deal Brexit and be free of EU prison... The EU needs the UK more than vice versa for gods sake. The EU is burning, literally!
Someone who actually would put the UK first would have left the EU by now and let the EU fuck itself up like they've been doing the last decades.

And anyone who actually supports the ludicrous anti democratic 'second referendum' idea should move to a dictatorship, since you cannot handle REAL DEMOCRACY.

FREEDOM!

TheSquealer

It's completely fucking insane to watch people defend the surrender of their borders, their nation, their legal system, their economy, their currency, their banking rules and regulations, their immigration policies, their very sense of identity, etc to a foreign power.

Only a lazy coward thinks like that... or thinks that is acceptable.

No nation ever became great, thrived and endured by surrendering to another power.

Only a fucking idiot can look at that scenario and not understand that like Communism, it fully contradicts who and what we are as a species and is doomed to fail. We are tribal. The idea is "join the non-tribe". That's so fucking idiotic.

It's completely fucking insane that some of you retards can't understand why another nation on the other end of the continent, who doesn't share your history, your language, your culture or your values wants to preserve their identity and who and what they are and control their own fate and destiny

As usual, King Smug Self Righteous German Dickhead himself, Stefan calls you ugly names with horrible connotations if your a Latvian Farmer who has his own feelings on the issue. "join us or you're a cunt". Such solid arguments really make it sound like a real great place to be.

God forbid people actually choose their own destiny. Only those who are a real threat to freedom and democracy would view the idea that people should have the right to choose their own destiny and shape their own future with their own hands, with disdain.

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thommy

what a fucking nonsense !!!!!

the refugees came to EUROPE and not to germany.

Germany took only the most of them because it is the obligation of EVERY COUNTRY that signed the Geneva Convetion.

Why a fuck you want to blame Germany for standing what they have signed for ?
Blame the others who didn´t do that and Germany would have a lot less of them.

why do you worry the german people ?

We can deal with that.
It is not our problem when people like you are too weak to do that.

paul you should really shut the fuck up because you have no idea what you are talking about.

EVERY counzry that joined the EU had a SIGNIFICANT increase of GDP.

if you post numbers of countries with high debt you should also show the historical number because ALL of them lowered their negative balance in the past years.

the only one that is still INCREASING the dept even faster after the end of the financial crisis is your good moron friend trump. he's given all americans a bird-cawed economic growth for which they pay themselves because it's 100% based on debt.

the GDP in the US went from 2017 to 2018 from 18,6 to 20,3 trillion
so a plus of 1,7 trillion.
in the same time the government dept went up from 19.8 trillion to 21.8 trillion
a plus of 2.0 trillion

so what a fuck are you talking about ???

can´t you accept facts or are you too stupid for simple maths ?

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klinton

Hey Ruskie, look:

Nazi Soviets together in Moscow in 1941 !!!!



Do they teach that in schools in (Soviet) Russia today ?

klinton

divided Europe will be for sure strong
such a wonderful gift to Russia, USA and China
thx for your concerns !
ps. I respect UK decision, no reason for a hostility between EU and UK

Sarn

already gone 23 years and Poland still not have no one invasion as in old good times

DraX

You're truly messed up in the head, but that's alright, we know what you are and what you stand for. Very predictable and a useful idiot of the European closed community of the elite.

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Paul Markham

The EU fails to protect it's borders from illegal migrants which contains criminals and terrorists. No army was sent to Greece, Spain and Italy to protect their borders.

After Merkel invited them in. https://www.google.com/search?ei=DN0....klQ9k S8i-Jc

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Paul Markham

The figures I posted were from debt in relationship to GDP. Can´t you accept facts or are you too stupid for simple maths ?

The truth is few countries in the EU are able to pay for the rising costs of looking after their citizens. Why do you think this is?

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Paul Markham

All this takes a back seat in their drive to unite Europe under a single government with no say from the people. Both Thommy and Stefan can trip out in look at how well Germany and big corporations have done. Ignoring the facts that most Europeans are poorer because of their stupid governments and the EU.

Don't forget Thommy.

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Paul Markham

This thread is about the EU and Europe not Trump.

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Paul Markham

When a club has to threaten members who want leave with a complete mess. You know they are scared others will follow.

A club that can't appeal to it's members is doomed.

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NewNick

The EU is a Union of States. No one surrenders anything.

If that is a bit to complicated for you think about the United States of America.

Similar but different. The countries of Europe that make up the EU actually have their own governments and elections. Their own armed forces and defense policy. Their soverenty is actually enshrined in law.

So really my boy you are barking up the wrong tree attacking the Eu if that rant is what you really believe. It sounds like you should be looking closer to home.

Or are you just talking out of your arse again ?

Paul Markham

So why does EU law supersede the laws of the different States?

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Bladewire

In America Federal law supersedes state law, just like EU vs state law.

Why do you hate America & EU so much Paul?

Why do you want the United States & the United EU weakened and broken up Paul? Russia & China wants THE EU & United States weaker & broken up as well.

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NewNick

Paul, in some minor policy areas Eu law is given priority by ALL member states. Otherwise it would not work.

Therefore there is an EU wide common fishing policy. But in terms of defense, tax, foreign policy, elections etc etc UK law is sovereign.

Do you understand yet Paul ?

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NewNick

Paul, the countries that had to be bailed out by the EU were not the ones like the UK and Germany who put in more than they receive.

The likes of Greece were already net gain from the EU. Their financial problems were a simple case of their governments financial incompetence.

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thommy

not to forget that the "greece problem" lead to the low interest rate.

ALL countries with higher dept have been able to reduce this debt for this reason.

even germany what had one of the lowest debts in the EU saved til today a few hundred billion in interest and lowered the total debt significant. countries with higher debt than Germany had saved a lot more - thanks greece !!!

but don´t try to explain that to paul - he can think from his wallet to his trouser pocked and back. he will never have the big view on those things as he simply does not have the skills for it.

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thommy

I will tell you how people like paul understand the EU:

let´s say an Asutrian company delivers jam to UK and writes on it "Marmelade" the brits came up with an EU law that this have to be ruled.
and yes the EU did it and in the complete EU it is obligate to write "Marmelade" on marmelade and Jam or confiture on Jam.
And this even when the austrian german does not have a word for Jam or confiture. they only knew it as marmelade but they accepted it.

when the EU agreed to take the decimal system as a common measure, the British were completely angry with the EU because they calculate everything in inches.

if the majority of the EU would have agreed to take over the english system (which nobody knows), the EU would be something good. but since they didn't do that, the brits call it unfair and expose it to their own laws.

in short: as long as everything is done the way the brits want it to be, such a community is good from a british point of view. as soon as they have to move their ass themselves and adapt, it just doesn't work.

so I personally think it's good if they go out of the EU. I'm only afraid in 5-6 years they'll beg on their knees to be allowed to go back in because they'll have noticed that 50 million little people are too easily overlooked in a global market of 8000 million people.

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Manfap

First off it's marmalade with an a.
Jam is not marmalade, there is a difference. It is not the UK's fault that people do not know the difference between jam and marmalade.

klinton

klinton

more taxes, more laws, more burreaucracy - if thats EU recpie for success, then good luck with that.
France and Italy are the best examples for that.

for some "strange" reasons the capital prefers other destinations...

P_RABID

The EU will eventually collapse, its not a matter of if, but a matter of when, Its a Domino effect that will be unleashed when one of the major Contributers to the EU exits.

What happened with the country Greece Grexiting a few years back was a stunt to show other EU countries that if you leave, this is what happens if you go against the family (EU).

When Britain leaves, then France will, if France goes, bye bye Italy. Then its RIP EURO ZONE.

The idea of a Fake United Europe was never gonna work, all the countries are different people with different histories and different languages.

Germany has not changed since the 1940's, they still want to rule over Europe. Only now they dont need machine guns, just banks.

So when the OP says "If this one ever happens, that is." oh it will, All good things come to an end.

thommy

that´s correct and it WAS fixed by a EU law.
but the same happens when it comes to the decimal system.
the majority of europe is not used to the english metrics and now the decimal system is the standard.

but in THAT case you call it paternalism.

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Manfap

The UK uses the metric system, it changed all it's measurements to conform with the EU, so not sure where you are going with that?

Paul Markham

America's history is not Europe's history.

TM deal ties the UK until the EU gives them permission to leave, which in effect until the UK agrees to the terms the EU decides.

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Paul Markham

So how come debt to GDP has risen?

You're refusing to address why need to borrow so much? Shouldn't the rising wages of the people support the extra needs?

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Paul Markham

A little country like Czech will be happy with being part of a big club giving it money. A powerful country like the UK can negotiate better and faster trade deals for itself.

You still don't get it do you Thommy the UK wants to join leave this expensive club. If you think it's good, then shut the fuck up.

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Manfap

Not sure about better, but Brexit is not really about trade anyway, UK was doing well as part of a trading block, the trade bit is the only bit that works well.

DraX

You know insanity is at play when in 2018 Thommy defends Merkel, Germany, EU and mass immigration politics.

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Paul Markham

So why won't the EU give the UK a free trade deal and the EU can keep the rest?

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Bladewire

Your answer had nothing to do with my post.

You didn't answer the question I asked you.

Manfap

Because then everyone who pays more than they receive would want one.

I'm antibrexit for the selfish reason that I live in Spain, so it's a pain in the arse.
I haven't lived in the UK for 20+ years, so have no idea if the bollocks from both sides are true or not.

Brexit is a protest vote, that people didn't think would happen. It is an anti successive UK gov vote just as it an anti EU one.

It's not finished yet though, it's such a cluster fuck it probably wont happen.

thommy

this is exactly what i said. and sure they HAD to do it same as others did it other way round.

but while some see it as a comparison of standards, others see it as paternalism.

and this is probably the problem when people do not understand that a community or union consists of giving and taking.

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thommy

have you been in coma when we had the financial crisis or why do you ask such silly questions?

and yes it was correct to make debt and push money in the markets but after there should be the time of lowering the debt.

ALL european countries did that - even greece, italy, spain and portugal.
and yes they are still on a high level but decreasing while trump is increasing the US debt to a new high every month.

and all he does is the opposite.
look if you can find the new import price index for US.

professionals already assumed that the import prices will decrease again -1,1% was their
guess. the reality is -1.6%. should the tariffs not make those products more expensive?
yes they do - but this bill have to be paid by the american consumers and not from the chinese.

here you see a very nice effect of trump´s trade war.
the effect is that the target countries economy will stuck. when the economy stucks the currency of this country falls. when the currency falls the products get cheaper.

and the other effect is that such a country with a low economy and a weak currency will not be able to buy products from US and this is why the exports suffer also.

so all is very logic and predictable by simply using the brain (if there is one)

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thommy

did the UK have a free trade deal BEFORE the EU ?

NO !

So why should they get one after they leave?

and for what?
the UK is so strong and they paid so much in the EU that they never have to work anymore with all that money they are saving from now on.

but the truth will be as always in the middle. same as the EU deals with other non EU countries (since yesterday they have the biggest deal ever with Japan) it will be a deal on the same level. so if the UK want to deal with the whole world they simply have to give everybody 10 times more money that they can consume the goods they need to IMPORT to export to another country.

if the EU would make a trade deal with the eskimos and the eskimos buy only when the EU buys their polar bear skins , it would not mean that the people in south italy have to buy and wear them. but the sweds and the norwegians will be happy. good thanks that we have the EU from north to south and every country can deal everything with everybody because one of the EU countries will need it.

so be prepared to buy a lot of chopsticks from China to sell them in return the subsidized agricultural products from the UK.
but I think britain have to subside them even a bit more because no country in the world will pay a higher price for transportation costs just because UK trucks will wait hours at the new border to europe.

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thommy

this hits the nail !

it WAS a protest and there was and is enough reason for it.

one of the main reasons is, that the EU had in fact no other rights or works to do as to define the length of a banana. and this is not because they have too much power - it is because they do not have ENOUGH power.

There are still so many inequalities and contradictory rules in the EU that one cannot really speak of a perfect community.

our industry is the best example.
when a dutchman builds porn sites, he can confidently write it on his front door. if a german, a polish or a french webmaster does it, he ends up in prison.

and because every country insists that its bans and not its freedoms flow into the EU, we have a sea of banned instead of a sea of freedoms. and yes that also annoys me !

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The Porn Nerd

I spent three months in the EU this summer and all I can say is, there are GOOD things about the EU (easier travel between borders, one common currency, etc) and there are some BAD things about the EU (the loss of cultural identity between countries, the ever-present threat of ultra-conservative totalitarianism, etc). So basically the EU is like everywhere else.

Thank God for English because the language situation over there is a total fucking mess. LOL

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TheSquealer

It's downright surreal watching people act like joining or leaving a group like the EU is like joining some sort of violent street gang. Blood in, blood out. That says more about the EU and it's nature than Britain leaving it does.

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klinton

I prefer much more British "disorder" and "disunity" than your Russian "unity" and what stands behind it.

funny that Brits are one of the few countries in Europe aware of real Ruskies mentality and policies since centuries and you are SO triggered by it.

Manfap

A mess? 1'000's of years of different cultures, and you define that as a mess.

Next time stay in the US.

_Richard_

yup awkward moment seeing that

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Paul Markham

Are you suggesting that more countries would decide to leave this marvellous group?

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Paul Markham

Stop shifting the subject to Trump.

https://gfy.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=22381294

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...c-product-gdp/

You failed to address the reasons for governments to borrow so much. Why are so many reliant on Welfare?

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