War state in Ukraine. Decision coming soon.

sure its a double standard...if the USA is going to be a rotten serial invading dirty bastard and the EU its designated ass cleaner, then why the fuck should others play fair?

fuck that shit...the USA and EU opening their invader/ass eater mouths is hilarious...this fake outrage over russia doing 1/100th of what USIS does is some paul markham level hypocrisy...

Dude you are too high to comment shit. That arrogance level just says a ton about you.

Get your history ( past or present) straight. Nobody voted in Crimea to join Ukraininan SSR, yet with the fait acompli in the early nineties elections were held, but...

only ... 35 % Crimean population voted for Ukrainian independence ( balance wanted to stay Russian) under pressure 58 % voted for Crimean independence ( from Ukraine) as the next best thing. When this was not granted a compromise was reached ( backed by USA, Russia, England ), Crimea was granted an independent status ( but within the Ukrainian state). After two decades of provocation and mayheam resulting in Maidan coup d' etat in 2014 where Russian interestes in Crimea were endangered : NAMELY presence of Russian fleet in Black Sea ( the reason Russians fought many wars) ,so they annexed it since the majority wanted out from the Ukrainian quagmire anyway.....

So, what is so difficult to understand ? Crimean population voted to join Russia ( their ancestoral homeland)? So what is so undemocratic about that ?

And get this ! I am NOT pro Putin or pro Russian , I am pro Crimean populace. and their freedom to choose!

They are UA citizens. There was no referendum authorized by UA authorities. It was played out by Russian invasion.

The right of a people to self-determination is a cardinal principle in modern international law (commonly regarded as a jus cogens rule), binding, as such, on the United Nations as authoritative interpretation of the Charter's norms.[1][2] It states that a people, based on respect for the principle of equal rights and fair equality of opportunity, have the right to freely choose their sovereignty and international political status with no interference.[3]

they freely self- determinated, with a little help of "friends"


without help, who knows, maybe they wouldnt have balls to self determinate !

Ask them what?

See dickhead, no interference. Russia invaded and forced it, stupid bitch.

my answer was to your FALSE claim :

AS for '' invasion '' , this can be debated for ever .... The population voted in favor of separation from Ukraine, then integration in Russia ....

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Look up how Holland thinks over the Ukrain, we had a referendum about it. And than the Dutch president put in an extra paragraph, after the outcome that the dutch didn't want it, that Holland won't be involved in military action. The Dutch president said that way he could sign anyway and made clear to the anti voters that Holland wouldn't join in any military action. We will soon see that is a lie. The Dutch goverment even bought jeeps for IS so they could fight against Assad.

It will be trouble in the Ukrain for the next decade. They will lose crimea to Russia in the end. (they already did).
Not that i support Russians. It is what is going to happen.

You're full of shit. There is nothing to debate. Russia invaded Ukraine.

I don't understand why did you have to referendum it at all, there was nothing about Ukraine joining EU at all, association did not mean joining - it was clear to every other EU country except Holland.

You see, you are arrogant as you think if Russia invades Holland NATO will help you. Fuck NO. Germany will join Russia and reap Holland apart.

Welcome to hybrid war and world.

nein nein nein !

We will see what it was all about and if the EU will make Ukrain join.

Many voted against the treaty because of the military integration with a country almost in war with Russia and because Ukrain is the most corrupt country in the eu. The Animal party was against cause than all animals like a lot of chicken would be exported to the eu while it didn't have the EU animal standards. The EU found that out two months ago, the animal party said it on forhand. And we know the political leaders have a big cut in the chicken industry, that guy became more rich now he dumps it in the EU. And that cost Holland already money. They produce in Ukrain. Bring it some days to Holland, and sell it in the EU. And most in Holland doesn't want more poor EU countries, so even the suggestion that the agreement it is a start to join the eu, dutch people voted against it. Just like turkye that has an agreement while hardly any european want them in the EU. Most see that as a mistake that keeps going on.

That is how most people think and why there was a referendum. That was ignored mostly. Now we see the chicken problem, the Russian / Ukrain tension is used for political goals to get Europe and the USA involved. And in the end Ukrain will be divided in 1,2,3 pieces or in ruins. The Russia standof is the best situation for this moment. At least, i think. So the provoking on all sides will keep going on for some time. I hope without a lot of deaths. And than maybe in a few years Ukrain makes an Agreement with Russia.

Do you think i would wait for NATO to help Holland when Russia invades Holland? By that time i am long gone and living on some beach. Like i am doing now. I don't live to get into wars. And certainly not for some dumb political leaders with their own agenda.