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11-26-2018, 08:43 AM

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Shit ! I must have confused my history lessons....I guess it was the Ukrainian army which in 1783 chased the Ottoman Turks out of Crimea led then by the famous Ukrainian Empress Catherine the Great of Rus...oops Ukraine. Then between 1853 to 56 it was not the Russians which waged the Crimean War against British and the French, but the always the powerful Ukrainians. Also in 1920 it was the "Red" Ukrainians who defeated Rus..oops Ukrainian general Wrangel's " White" Russ..oops again the Ukrainian anti Bolshevik troops loyal to the Romanoffs ( famous Ukrainian ruling family). And of course we must not forget the 170,000 Russ.(..another oopps) Ukrainian soldiers who died defending and the retaking Sevastopol in WW2 ( also called the City of Russian Glory , in 1941 and 1944 and soon likely renamed City of Ukrainian Glory) and to re learn this correct history of Crimea it was the famous Russian Nikita Chruschev ( maybe he was Ukrainian??) who in the mid 50ties "transfered" Crimea to Ukrainian SSR.

And there you have it. A new history is being written every day...just as History channel would make you believe it..

And yes "cry me a river"

And so what does any of that have to do with any signed treaties of agreements afterwards ? Nobody is trying to lock you up for crimes of your father here.

I'm not re-writing history, but you are ignoring the parts that matter.
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11-26-2018, 09:29 AM

Originally posted by celandina

Shit ! I must have confused my history lessons. My bad.....I guess it was the Ukrainian army which in 1783 chased the Ottoman Turks out of Crimea led then by the famous Ukrainian Empress Catherine the Great of Rus...oops of Ukraine. Then between 1853 to 56 it was not the Russians which waged the Crimean War against British and the French, but the always the powerful Ukrainians. Also in 1920 it was the "Red" Ukrainians who defeated Rus..oops Ukrainian general Wrangel's " White" Russ..oops again the Ukrainian anti Bolshevik troops loyal to the Romanoffs (a famous Ukrainian ruling family). And of course we must not forget the 170,000 Russ.(..another oopps) Ukrainian soldiers who died defending and the retaking Sevastopol in WW2 ( also called the City of Russian Glory , in 1941 and 1944 and soon likely renamed City of Ukrainian Glory) and to re learn this correct history of Crimea it was the famous Russian Nikita Chruschev ( maybe he was Ukrainian??) who in the mid 50ties "transfered" Crimea to Ukrainian SSR.

And there you have it. A new history is being written every day...just as History channel would make you believe it..

And yes "cry me a river"

1944? That was 74 years ago - this is all ancient history. 45% (90) of the sovereign nations in existence weren't around then. The UN didn't exist. The World Court didn't exist. The Geneva Convention hadn't happened. President Putin wasn't born. President Poroshenko wasn't born.

What justifies this action directly in recent history?
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11-26-2018, 12:09 PM

What the fuck????

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8651736.html
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11-26-2018, 12:12 PM

Originally posted by CaptainHowdy

That's a sad state of affairs . . .

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11-27-2018, 08:18 AM

Originally posted by ilnjscb

1944? That was 74 years ago - this is all ancient history. 45% (90) of the sovereign nations in existence weren't around then. The UN didn't exist. The World Court didn't exist. The Geneva Convention hadn't happened. President Putin wasn't born. President Poroshenko wasn't born.

What justifies this action directly in recent history?

Just ask the Israelis, the Irish, the Basks, the Kosovars, the Scotts, the Balts, the Suddeten Germans and yes the Ukrainians....the list goes on....
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11-27-2018, 08:30 AM

Originally posted by VRPdommy

And so what does any of that have to do with any signed treaties of agreements afterwards ? Nobody is trying to lock you up for crimes of your father here.

I'm not re-writing history, but you are ignoring the parts that matter.

The latest Crimean vote was 80% to join Russia...
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11-27-2018, 08:59 AM

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Russia-Ukraine crisis: Kiev declares martial law as world powers condemn the seizure of ships by Putin's forces near Crimea

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11-27-2018, 09:29 AM

Originally posted by celandina

The latest Crimean vote was 80% to join Russia...

Despite the tricky and underhanded way that is claimed,

How does that excuse them from right of passage of the Ukraine government by Russia ?
Nobody voted on that. It is breaking a peaceful and peace making treaty and is a act of war by itself.

Perhaps they should be offered a new vote to join the EU, US and/or NATO
I'm sure we could send plenty of voters to skew the election same as the Russians did.

We also have these international agreements to boarders and rights of waterways.
If Russia wishes to break them, then they should be null and void and not protect Russian coastlines and rights of passage and boarders as well.
Sounds like we could send a fleet in to investigate the new waterways.
But I'm sure they can make some crafty argument against that not applying !
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11-27-2018, 09:57 AM

america does this kind of shit all the time...what is the problem?

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11-27-2018, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by celandina

Just ask the Israelis, the Irish, the Basks, the Kosovars, the Scotts, the Balts, the Suddeten Germans and yes the Ukrainians....the list goes on....

Ask them what? Are you saying that the current actions is justified because other actions took place?

I am asking you what action directly justifies the current response. So far you have answered with ancient history and the names of other peoples.
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11-27-2018, 11:55 AM

Makes me wonder given what went down with the Saudi's if this is Putin testing the ''waters'' a little bit.
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11-27-2018, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by crucifissio

america does this kind of shit all the time...what is the problem?

You are shell shocked! We don't invade our neighbors by stinky cunt Putin.

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11-27-2018, 12:13 PM

Originally posted by crucifissio

america does this kind of shit all the time...what is the problem?

There is a a huge difference actually. They do it for democracy and freedom. So their mission is blessed by the colored-transsexual-genderless-lesbian-necro-zoo-homo-pedo-maso-feminist god

Originally posted by AIDSwire

You are shell shocked! We don't invade our neighbors by stinky cunt Putin.

Here you go, babe: Timeline of United States military operations - Wikipedia

P.S. And don't say "we" please. You are just a HIV-positive fag and you have zero relation to the US army. The only parade you can participate in is a gay one.

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11-27-2018, 12:30 PM

Originally posted by crucifissio

america does this kind of shit all the time...what is the problem?

You know the old adage, and you probably know it in more than one language: Two wrongs don't make a right. Even if what you say is true, it doesn't justify.

I think people are reacting strongly because no one wants Russia to start annexing again. Cause that leads to war.
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11-27-2018, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by Bladewire

You are shell shocked! We don't invade our neighbors by stinky cunt Putin.

Invader, you are too high on your own nationalist brainwash...USIS does this shit all the time...all the fucking time and much much worse...like using chemical weapons against asian farmers for a decade or dropping more bombs than all world wars...you know, the war racket that you impose on the weak...sure you know...

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