I agree with everything you say, but you are describing dating, cam, pill, gambling affiliates, NOT adult affiliates. That model is gone. Today you use porn content to generate traffic, and sell this traffic to NON porn products.

what are the best non adult affiliate programs?

this is what happened to affiliates.

sites had to diversify and add lots of revenue streams, not just a paysite with a single biller.

its very difficult to give credit to an affiliate for every revenue stream related to their referal. its even difficult to give the affiliate credit with every cascading biller.

affiliates got screwed in many ways over the years.

these days you have to optimize every unique and make sure you're getting paid for your work. set it and forget it no longer exists. you have to work full-time to make money as an affiliate.

that's what changed.

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you are right.

but from WHOM did this adult paysites got their traffic in the good old days ?

exactly from the same people.

if you would take them out in the good old days there would never have been an adult paysite industry - agree ?

in that times we had no other products to promote as this.
porn free sites have never been designed for selling just a product. they have been designed to make as much money as possible. and IF there would have been advertisers
for more profitable products in this time this kind of industry would never have a chance to become big.

now we do have other opportunities and they become more and more every day.
not one webmaster in the world with even a 240 hour day would be able to know or test
even a fraction of what is available.
but this is not important anymore because NOW we do have the mediabuyers who do that job.

so the traffic went only from monetizing within a limited range to monetizing in a broader range. and one unchangeable rule of the market is, that a product is sold to the one who can pay most.

this rule is as old as mankind is and it was really easy to predict already in the 90s.

who thought that things will never change missed to include rule number 1 in his perspective. and who is not able to include that is not able to survive in a market.

Exactly!

Having control which in house gives you.



So you're now saying it's more expensive to farm out the business. Make up your mind.



Is it more expensive or less?

Nothing you do is so complicated it can't be done in house.

Agreed. Whether selling traffic at $5 per 1,000, with a crap CTR and lousy conversion rates beats selling the product, now given away for free, for $30 to $50 a pop. Hasn't been proved and only argued that it works by Thommy, who has zero knowledge to back it up. But giving away porn to sell the traffic is the best way of making money left.

if you get an answer on this question you can categorize it as "lie".

nobody on this planet can answer you this question because it depends on

1. the traffic you have
2. on testing many many different products (and you will not have the time, the skills and enough traffic to do that)
3. to test ALL THIS products from my point 2 again with different ads and different landingpages

the big error of many webmasters is, that they think that EVERY mediabuyer can do soemthing with their traffic and that means THEY can do it also.

but this is a BIG thinking error.

in a network hundreds or thousands of advertisers are testing things. they are prepared to lose money to find a concept what will work at the end on a few sites.
so every one of them will only find one or 2 little needles in a haystack where millions of needles are stuck.

just the mass of this people makes webmasters able to earn money on the traffic.
MUCH more money as they would be able to make.

if you let ONE person market your traffic, the end result will end at 100% of the performance of that ONE.

you let 1000 people market the traffic and each of them finds only a small part that he can use OPTIMALLY, that the number of value added possibilities has increased a thousand times. and even if 20 of the thousand have found the same thing, it will be at the end the best of those 20 who are able to pay more and buy all.

but since the other 19 don't resign themselves to it, they will find ways to become better than this one and that again increases the value of the traffics.

so it is not a magic or witchcraft is the reason which led to the present situation but very simple and logical economic processes that can´t be stopped.

Agreed it's much harder today than it ever was.

i am quite sure that you do not even know what you are talking about when you speak from
5 $ per thousand.

you do not even know the used measurements for pricing in this industry and you want to tell the world how it works.

but maybe i make millions of revenue every fucking year because of this "zero knowledge".
even that would mean that i know better than you how to make money.

but i know you would be happy if everyone comes down on your level and cry with you
because you feel fucking lonely there.

correct.

you can also buy a cow if you like to drink a glass of milk every day.
you can open a car factory because you have a car.
you can open a telephone company because you have a phone.
and you can even open a toilette paper company because you use it.

and I am pretty sure that a paul markham will be able to do ALL THAT MUCH better than the existing
solutions.


you are an economic cripple, paul.
you do not understand even the basics of economy - that´s why you never got somewhere.

ahhh here we go :-)

if i have understood that correctly, you wish things would be so simple again that any idiot can do them without effort, knowledge and big money.

THIS is not only against any logic but is exactly what made you so unsuccessful.
because what made you "special" in the good old days is done today from every asshole.

you don't need any knowledge, no big investment of money and not much working time to produce porn videos.

and therefore there is MUCH MORE of it today and not even with these dilettantes you could keep up more.

so you lost against amateurs what means you are the OPPOSITE of a professional.

And the affiliate programm went back to the webmaster and did their own media buying,
for half of the money, with the numbers they got before,
as soon as he place the ad codes again.


My theory is that ad networks, media buyers, and programs are the same people,
and everything else is just a gimmick to control the market, hide sales,
and move earnings from high to low tax countries.

side note - i'm impressed by the number of people on their machines trying to make money on a sunday.. it wasn't like this 6 months ago or a year ago.. business is bouncing back..

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oh what a new conspiracy theory :-)

you really do not need such theories because everything is logic what happens here.

the "affiliate program 3.0" is not what was it a few years ago.

90% of the affiliate revenues are running through affiliateprograms that do not have own offers. they are presenting ALL offers they can get on ONE plattform to THOUSANDS of media buyers.

the program owners have changed their affiliate team from sometimes 100 to ONE single person that is only dealing with this affiliate 3.0 programms.

and they live from the money that the 99 other affiliatemanagers used to get before from the program owner.

i mean even here at GFY there are MUCH MUCH MORE such "affiliate 3.0" systems are writing than program owners - this is not to oversee.

in that point you are right in some cases of VERY big companies.

sure that those wanted to keep their market share and they indeed bought some "affiliate 3.0 programs" and also some smaller networks.

but what shall be wrong on that? this is market expansion and at the end of the day they
have to compete still with all the others.

a webmaster will not chose a network what is focused to sell traffic cheap to own products. so they have only the chance to give them the same or they will lose traffic and marketshare.

in this biz as in ever other biz it is all around competition and lowering costs.
all that is only to reach when you concentrate things to make them big enough to get the best conditions.

as a small one in this game you have to be VERY smart to survive. but as soon as one is smart he will be smart enough to know that it is much more effective to swim with the stream as against it. so who swims hardly against the stream CAN NOT be called smart.

It looks like i need a new bank accountant she always
told me swim against the stream:-)

So tell us OH wise one. How much does porn traffic sell for? Then everyone can come to you.

We had a porn industry producing and selling porn on multiple levels. Until free porn shut most down.

So tell Rochard, plsureking and all the other people who find it harder today.

What you know about producing porn videos isn't a lot. How many successful porn videos have you created?

well sometimes that can work but what she meant was obviously "anticyclical".
and here is another prove because if EVERYBODY works anticyclical it is not anticyclical.

please tell me the pricing model you refer to :-)

So are you agreeing with me now that big companies handle things in house?

The problem with swimming with the stream is all the competition and doing what's done to death.

did i ever say somewhere it is easier ?

please copy and paste it for me.

what i said is the OPPOSITE of that.
sure it is HARDER but that is the reason why LESS people make now MORE money as in this good old times. because they WORK harder and have MUCH MORE knowledge.

It could be they have to work Sundays now. Never had to work a 7 day week in my time.

nope - the opposite is the case.
they outsource - but in some cases and when it makes sense they are buying the outsource company.


swimming with the stream does not mean to work with a success recipe.

you should not try digging gold where no gold is.
but if you digging gold where it is you must be better than the rest.

it is VERY easy paul.
if you where right everything would be AUTOMATICALLY the way you say.
but also AUTOMATICALLY a part of the people will be smarter than the other and they
cut every day a bigger piece from the cake. and as dumber the competitors are as easier they will take the complete cake.

so it´s like everywhere in life. live smart or die dumb.

or it could be that they love their work and would not know what else to do.

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i'm rotating between my desk, my waterfront deck for cigars, and visiting with my wife and kid in their parts of the house.

i could just sit around the house pretending i'm retired because i can't figure out how to make money online anymore - but Paul got that title locked down

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Offcourse on Sunday since my first BTX Site.
The Week Day with the most Traffic and Sales.

...and not to forget that you get things done on sundays thanks to the sunday relaxers that will not contact you.

coincidental to this thread, sunday is when i get all my affiliate stuff and fun projects done. like Thommy said, email is quiet lol

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I think he was referring to simple CPM

I don´t think so - he said 5$ for 1000.

but that´s the point that he does not even know what he is talking about.

So you are agreeing with me. Where it makes sense they do things in-house.

So not working because there is more money to be made.

So tell us what you pay for Tube traffic.

Get one of your staff to do these things. I'm assuming you make enough money to hire staff.

We had 8 people working for us.

I have a few but not so many. I think these days you must be your own #1 affiliate.

you dont have anyone working for you. stop talking so much shit.

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Now you've got Paul Markham all riled up . . .

he's got nothing else to do. his plan until he dies is to troll gfy and try to convince everybody that porn is dead. if he can't make money in porn, no one else can either.

the truth is, he wasn't that big a deal even in his gold rush years. everybody i worked with back then was bigger. we all thought his content was crap..

how's that for a legacy :1orglaugh

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