News Trump is defending the constitution .

[directfiesta]

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-end-bir...111625767.html

The Emperor has spoken ... Long life to the Emperor !!!!

[Bladewire]

He's just trolling

He can't do it and he won't.

POTUS can't sign an EO and override the constitution, only congress can.

Desperation

[RedFred]

He's an enemy of the people.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by RedFred

He's an enemy of the people.

It says a lot that he wants ignorant racist voters to think he can override the constitution. Total scum

[beerptrol]

All he has are lies and fears.

[bronco67]

It wouldn't surprise me if he thinks this should be retroactive legislation. I'm not saying he would know what retroactive means, but he'll probably want to eject every citizen born to immigrants in the last 100 years.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by bronco67

It wouldn't surprise me if he thinks this should be retroactive legislation. I'm not saying he would know what retroactive means, but he'll probably want to eject every citizen born to immigrants in the last 100 years.

Every citizen born to immigrants in the last 100 years... Would be a large percentage of the country.

That would include my mother; Her mother came here from Poland in the 1940s.

[Acepimp]

The Citizenship Clause of the 14th Amendment states: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside."

and subject to the jurisdiction thereof = legal citizens and legal green card holders.

And before you haters try to argue, get some facts:

Enough! Feds Raid 20 Chinese Immigrant “Birth Hotels” in Los Angeles

^^ Clearly abusing the system, and common-sense Americans have had enough.

[RedFred]

Asspimp supports a dictator who's going to deport his anchor baby ass.

[2MuchMark]

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Acepimp

and subject to the jurisdiction thereof = legal citizens and legal green card holders.

Anybody inside the U.S. borders, other than diplomats, are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

If an undocumented alien were not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States then they could NOT be arrested or deported for entering illegally.


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[astronaut x]

Originally Posted by Acepimp

The Citizenship Clause of the 14th Amendment states: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside."

and subject to the jurisdiction thereof = legal citizens and legal green card holders.

And before you haters try to argue, get some facts:

Enough! Feds Raid 20 Chinese Immigrant “Birth Hotels” in Los Angeles

^^ Clearly abusing the system, and common-sense Americans have had enough.

When did you come here again? I guess it's fine for Trump to take advantage of the system, but nobody else. Trump's gold digging trophy wife got her parents in... but nobody else should?

Trump has clearly abused the system, but that's ok I guess.

You are the epitome of GFY hypocrisy.

[Robbie]

The 14th amendment was passed in 1868 in response to Southern States "Black Codes" after the civil war. The "Black Codes" were state laws that kept black people from being totally free.

It was an amendment to the Constitution to ensure that all slaves in the U.S. and all their children were to be citizens.

It was never meant for ILLEGAL aliens to walk across the border and drop a kid out of their womb and be a "citizen" and then have the whole family brought in as part of "chain migration".

People these days are so uneducated about the Constitution and it's origins and meanings.

"Birthright Citizenship" isn't a part of the Constitution. And the reason that the amendment says "subject to the jurisdiction off the United States" is because it wanted to cover ALL former slaves...including slaves who were recently brought to the United States.

It's actually an amendment that should be repealed...much the way the 18th amendment was repealed by the 21st amendment.

There is no more need for slaves to be given citizenship. That is the distant past.
Politicians used that amendment in modern times to give citizenship to their ambassadors who had children abroad by proclaiming that the Embassy in a foreign country was "U.S. soil" (even though it legally isn't).

And most recently it has been used politically in the whole immigration debate.

What Trump is doing is pretty obvious.
He is going to do the Executive Order.
That will IMMEDIATELY trigger a liberal Judge to stop it.

Then it will go to the Supreme Court.
Then "Birthright Citizenship" will be ruled to be un-Constitutional.

Then it would be up to Congress to amend the Constitution to allow illegal immigrants to walk across the border and give birth to a new U.S. citizen...or not.

Who we vote for in Congress and the Senate is very important in these matters.

Whichever side of the debate you are on (and the Democrats until the last few years were ANTI-Illegal-Immigration)...you need to vote for the politicians who will do what you want them to do.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Robbie

The 14th amendment was passed in 1868 in response to Southern States "Black Codes" after the civil war. The "Black Codes" were state laws that kept black people from being totally free.

It was an amendment to the Constitution to ensure that all slaves in the U.S. and all their children were to be citizens.

It was never meant for ILLEGAL aliens to walk across the border and drop a kid out of their womb and be a "citizen" and then have the whole family brought in as part of "chain migration".

And this folks is where you see people who have billed themselves as constitutionalists for years on GFY justify bypassing the Constitution via executive order.

"Oh amendments to the Constitution people have been following for 150 years doesn't really mean what they've been using it for for 150 years"

Fucking idiots

We'll do an executive order to take away your guns when the next Democrat is president. Complete fucking morons

[RedFred]

Originally Posted by Robbie

"Birthright Citizenship" isn't a part of the Constitution.

Uh yea it is. It's called the 14th Amendment.

[kane]

I'm fine with changing this law. In fact, I have said multiple times I would rather they focus on changing this law and going after people who hire illegals than to waste money on a wall.

That said, it scares me that any president, much less this one, could potentially modify the Constitution with a EO.

I would rather see him engage congress and try to do it that way.

[astronaut x]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

We'll do an executive order to take away your guns when the next Democrat is president. Complete fucking morons

Shhh, they might believe that.


Wait. they already do

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Robbie

The 14th amendment was passed in 1868 in response to Southern States "Black Codes" after the civil war. The "Black Codes" were state laws that kept black people from being totally free.

It was an amendment to the Constitution to ensure that all slaves in the U.S. and all their children were to be citizens.

It was never meant for ILLEGAL aliens to walk across the border and drop a kid out of their womb and be a "citizen" and then have the whole family brought in as part of "chain migration".

People these days are so uneducated about the Constitution and it's origins and meanings.

"Birthright Citizenship" isn't a part of the Constitution. And the reason that the amendment says "subject to the jurisdiction off the United States" is because it wanted to cover ALL former slaves...including slaves who were recently brought to the United States.

It's actually an amendment that should be repealed...much the way the 18th amendment was repealed by the 21st amendment.

There is no more need for slaves to be given citizenship. That is the distant past.
Politicians used that amendment in modern times to give citizenship to their ambassadors who had children abroad by proclaiming that the Embassy in a foreign country was "U.S. soil" (even though it legally isn't).

And most recently it has been used politically in the whole immigration debate.

What Trump is doing is pretty obvious.
He is going to do the Executive Order.
That will IMMEDIATELY trigger a liberal Judge to stop it.

Then it will go to the Supreme Court.
Then "Birthright Citizenship" will be ruled to be un-Constitutional.

Then it would be up to Congress to amend the Constitution to allow illegal immigrants to walk across the border and give birth to a new U.S. citizen...or not.

Who we vote for in Congress and the Senate is very important in these matters.

Whichever side of the debate you are on (and the Democrats until the last few years were ANTI-Illegal-Immigration)...you need to vote for the politicians who will do what you want them to do.

I was under the impression libertarians believe in free immigration and don't want the government to waste resources interfering with it.

is that no longer the case?

[astronaut x]

Originally Posted by kane

I would rather they focus on changing this law and going after people who hire illegals than to waste money on a wall.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

I was under the impression libertarians believe in free immigration and don't want the government to waste resources interfering with it.

is that no longer the case?

You are under a lot of impressions that have no basis in reality.

And you further are assuming what I think. I pretty obviously stated the solution...Vote for whomever you think will do what YOU think should be done.
Stop worrying about me and/or the Libertarian Party.

I never was a sheep to the Party when I was a Democrat. And I'm certainly not a sheep indulging in any group think with the Libertarian Party either.

Hopefully, you are the same in that regard.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by kane

I'm fine with changing this law. In fact, I have said multiple times I would rather they focus on changing this law and going after people who hire illegals than to waste money on a wall.

That said, it scares me that any president, much less this one, could potentially modify the Constitution with a EO.

I would rather see him engage congress and try to do it that way.

I'm fine with changing this constitutional amendment as well

But not illegally via executive order.

And with the caveat that we give a pathway to citenzship for current illegals on our soil that have lived here for 10 years or more.

[RedFred]

Now with Kavanaugh on the court Trump literally thinks he's king. And his cultists support it 100%.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Robbie

You are under a lot of impressions that have no basis in reality.

And you further are assuming what I think. I pretty obviously stated the solution...Vote for whomever you think will do what YOU think should be done.
Stop worrying about me and/or the Libertarian Party.

I never was a sheep to the Party when I was a Democrat. And I'm certainly not a sheep indulging in any group think with the Libertarian Party either.

Hopefully, you are the same in that regard.

relax, you're the last person I'd worry about. the simple fact is you've claimed plenty of times you are a libertarian and it's a fact that the Libertarian party platform believes in free immigration, I researched it when I was contemplating libertarianism. I respectfully asked you your view based on that fact.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by kane

I'm fine with changing this law. In fact, I have said multiple times I would rather they focus on changing this law and going after people who hire illegals than to waste money on a wall.

That said, it scares me that any president, much less this one, could potentially modify the Constitution with a EO.

I would rather see him engage congress and try to do it that way.

Don't be scared Kane. LOL

He can't "modify the Constitution". That's already been done many, many times by lawmakers both Federal and State and Local.

Just look at "gun laws" for instance. The Constitution pretty plainly says the right to bear arms "shall not be infringed".
And yet the govt. does just that.

That is an amendment that should either be followed (as is the law and intent of the founders) OR...repealed and replaced.

In the case of "birthright citizenship" (which doesn't really exist), as I so brilliantly explained in my post above...Trump is doing this to trigger a Judge to issue some kind of injunction.
THEN it will go through the legal processes and go to the Supreme Court and the whole idea of ILLEGAL ALIENS giving birth to citizens will be ruled on once and for all.

It's pure genius by Trump. This matter has needed to be looked at by the Supreme Court for over a hundred years since politicians have been changing the meaning of it.

So please don't be afraid. You can be brave and know that the President has a plan to stop the Democrat Party from creating a new voting block of ILLEGAL ALIENS (by the way, San Francisco is allowing ILLEGAL ALIENS to VOTE in the local election for school boards...non-citizens voting in the United States...wow)

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

relax, you're the last person I'd worry about. the simple fact is you've claimed plenty of times you are a libertarian and it's a fact that the Libertarian party platform believes in free immigration, I researched it when I was contemplating libertarianism. I respectfully asked you your view based on that fact.

I said I'm a Libertarian because the majority of their views on freedom fit in with mine. Doesn't mean I am a group thinker. Hell, I don't even give a shit what other people think about much of anything.
I consider it...use my own brain to make my decision based on what I know and learn about subjects and move from there.

I think the President has it right when he talks about "common sense".

Obviously if California is promoting itself as a "Sanctuary State"...AND you have politicians creating "Birthright Citizenship" for ILLEGAL ALIENS by mis-interpreting the 14th amendment...then you NEED to have this brought before the Supreme Court and decided once and for all.

I'm sure that the elite in California are salivating at the thought of all the servants and peasants that they can have working for them super cheap with a new big influx of people who have no education and have a language barrier.

California...the richest state...with the most poverty. The Democrats have created a society that is reminiscent of a monarchy there.
Either super-rich...or super-poor. Not much middle class left there (and I can't blame them for leaving).

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I said I'm a Libertarian because the majority of their views on freedom fit in with mine. Doesn't mean I am a group thinker. Hell, I don't even give a shit what other people think about much of anything.
I consider it...use my own brain to make my decision based on what I know and learn about subjects and move from there.

I think the President has it right when he talks about "common sense".

Obviously if California is promoting itself as a "Sanctuary State"...AND you have politicians creating "Birthright Citizenship" for ILLEGAL ALIENS by mis-interpreting the 14th amendment...then you NEED to have this brought before the Supreme Court and decided once and for all.

I'm sure that the elite in California are salivating at the thought of all the servants and peasants that they can have working for them super cheap with a new big influx of people who have no education and have a language barrier.

California...the richest state...with the most poverty. The Democrats have created a society that is reminiscent of a monarchy there.
Either super-rich...or super-poor. Not much middle class left there (and I can't blame them for leaving).

got it. I live in Cali and couldn't care less about immigration, "birth rights" issues, or especially, the caravan. But I don't watch cable news.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Don't be scared Kane. LOL

He can't "modify the Constitution". That's already been done many, many times by lawmakers both Federal and State and Local.

Just look at "gun laws" for instance. The Constitution pretty plainly says the right to bear arms "shall not be infringed".
And yet the govt. does just that.

That is an amendment that should either be followed (as is the law and intent of the founders) OR...repealed and replaced.

In the case of "birthright citizenship" (which doesn't really exist), as I so brilliantly explained in my post above...Trump is doing this to trigger a Judge to issue some kind of injunction.
THEN it will go through the legal processes and go to the Supreme Court and the whole idea of ILLEGAL ALIENS giving birth to citizens will be ruled on once and for all.

It's pure genius by Trump. This matter has needed to be looked at by the Supreme Court for over a hundred years since politicians have been changing the meaning of it.

So please don't be afraid. You can be brave and know that the President has a plan to stop the Democrat Party from creating a new voting block of ILLEGAL ALIENS (by the way, San Francisco is allowing ILLEGAL ALIENS to VOTE in the local election for school boards...non-citizens voting in the United States...wow)

Don't be patronizing. It's unbecoming of you.

I understand he isn't modifying the Constitution and I understand there are many laws on the books that do just that. I personally wouldn't trust Trump to mow my lawn so, no, I don't trust him to sign EO's that involve things that are spoken of in the Constitution.

I do think this is something that needs to happen, I would just like to see him, oh, I don't know, maybe lead on something and try to work with congress.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

got it. I live in Cali and couldn't care less about immigration, "birth rights" issues, or especially, the caravan. But I don't watch cable news.

I would assume that all of it does affect you though in state and local taxes.

I don't know how people survive there.
You can really get a good feel for it when you go to Tahoe. You step over that state line at Harrah's Casino out of Nevada and into California and the price for EVERYTHING escalates because of all the taxes.

Get out of there brother.

[Bladewire]

↑↑↑ Can't afford to live in California so talks shit about us

This happens with a very few bitter Vegas folks. They can't make it in Cali and migrate to the desert Vegas or Arizona or Mexico where it's dirt cheap to live.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I would assume that all of it does affect you though in state and local taxes.

I don't know how people survive there.
You can really get a good feel for it when you go to Tahoe. You step over that state line at Harrah's Casino out of Nevada and into California and the price for EVERYTHING escalates because of all the taxes.

Get out of there brother.

if i lived in central ca i could maybe see what you're saying. why pay cali prices to live in shithole central cali? socal is a different place and worth the price of admission.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

if i lived in central ca i could maybe see what you're saying. why pay cali prices to live in shithole central cali? socal is a different place and worth the price of admission.

I do agree it has it's mystique. But there are lots of other cities that are great too...and the local govt. doesn't milk people as hard.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I do agree it has it's mystique. But there are lots of other cities that are great too...and the local govt. doesn't milk people as hard.

You can't afford to live here so what?

I live by the beach here in South Orange County, 11 years now. I walk my dog on the path along the Monarch Beach Golf Course to the beach every morning. Cool breezes here when it's 120 degrees in Vegas. I move sometime in the next few years maybe back to Australia and Beach living there.

I might even move in towards the desert I'm never going to talk shit about people who live in such a wonderful places where I live. Tacky

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[Diomed]

Originally Posted by RedFred

He's an enemy of the people.

Hiya Bladewire!

[Diomed]

Originally Posted by beerptrol

All he has are lies and fears.

Hiya Bladewire!

[Diomed]

Originally Posted by astronaut x

When did you come here again? I guess it's fine for Trump to take advantage of the system, but nobody else. Trump's gold digging trophy wife got her parents in... but nobody else should?

Trump has clearly abused the system, but that's ok I guess.

You are the epitome of GFY hypocrisy.

Wait a second.. I thought you lived in Australia mate?

HIYA BLADEWIRE!

[Bladewire]

↑↑↑ I was right again

Such a predictable troll

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[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

I'm fine with changing this constitutional amendment as well

But not illegally via executive order.

And with the caveat that we give a pathway to citenzship for current illegals on our soil that have lived here for 10 years or more.

Oh you want it changed but you basically don't want Trump doing it. You're warped. I hate to break this to you but most of your views align with Trump.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I do agree it has it's mystique. But there are lots of other cities that are great too...and the local govt. doesn't milk people as hard.

I might just move to the bahamas in a few years. I have business here though and it's going well and doesn't require a lot of hands-on from me so I won't be disrupting it.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Oh you want it changed but you basically don't want Trump doing it. You're warped.

An EO to change the Constitution is illegal dipshit

[VRPdommy]

Originally Posted by kane

I'm fine with changing this law. In fact, I have said multiple times I would rather they focus on changing this law and going after people who hire illegals than to waste money on a wall.

That said, it scares me that any president, much less this one, could potentially modify the Constitution with a EO.

I would rather see him engage congress and try to do it that way.

Most don't understand this is only talk so it is election hype.
But I agree...
It was pretty simple to me in the 80's to just go after the employers.
...Ahhhhhhh....

But that is the heart of the matter.
The Republicans really do not want any change in the way things work right now.
No matter their talk about it.
Don't believe that.
They have had 2 years of total control to show you otherwise... no legislation.

It did not stop them from voting and approving repeal of Obamacare more than 50 times when they knew it was going nowhere when the did it. How's that for contrast.

hmmmmm....

They allow trump to be the mouthpiece while they receive the benefit.

Nothing will change except for your opinion of it through the mouthpieces that change their tune. They simply have no will power to do it since it's as easy as taking the work away. And that part of it, they have made better over the years by finding more/better ways to make it legal.

Silicon Valley wants cheap labor from India don't forget and they are getting it.
During the bank collapse, they let go much of their workforce in hi-tech for those from India willing to do the same in software development for 40% less in wages and benefits.

They issue cards for immigrant workers who never go home. Mexico or India.
It's all very funny how they play you all. And you will sit here and argue about it....LOL...

If you come with no money or skill and are not willing to labor for $40 a day of light, Company's and politicians want you. Everyone else stay home.... what a joke.

LOL... suppress our wages or stay home !

You have given them legal methods for by-passing wage and labor laws, you will never get that back.
They continue to expand them.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

An EO to change the Constitution is illegal dipshit

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

That meme explains exactly what Trump is doing. Genius.

[Acepimp]

Originally Posted by RedFred

Asspimp supports a dictator who's going to deport his anchor baby ass.

I'm a legal citizen and so are my parents. You are clueless as usual.

[MaDalton]

so changing 14th amendment with an executive order: no big thing because: IMMIGRANTS!!!! (and it's old anyways)

but changing 2nd amendment because hundreds of thousands die per year from guns: HOW FUCKING DARE YOU - WE WILL FIND YOU AND KILL YOU!!!! (no matter that it's old too and served a totally different purpose back then).

alright, got it

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by Robbie

That meme explains exactly what Trump is doing. Genius.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by StefanG

so changing 14th amendment with an executive order: no big thing because: IMMIGRANTS!!!! (and it's old anyways)

but changing 2nd amendment because hundreds of thousands die per year from guns: HOW FUCKING DARE YOU - WE WILL FIND YOU AND KILL YOU!!!! (no matter that it's old too and served a totally different purpose back then).

alright, got it

Well this is one thing we pretty much all agree on.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Well this is one thing we pretty much all agree on.

No we don't

You want to bypass congress and modify the constitution

We believe in the rule of law & due process, not a dictatorship.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

No we don't

You want to bypass congress and modify the constitution

We believe in the rule of law & due process, not a dictatorship.

You don't want that birth right citizen bullshit scam as much as I do. I want it gone and I don't give a fuck how it gets there.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

how does trump know this will make it to the SC?

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

You don't want that birth right citizen bullshit scam as much as I do. I want it gone and I don't give a fuck how it gets there.

If everyone lets them get away with using executive orders to bypass the constitution, then that's just going to embolden them to start getting away with more illegal shit. Until they get to something you don't agree with. Then you'll be crying about lawless executive orders and how they must stop. You're a stupid dipshit also.