Charts dont lie: realistic trump performance vs obama

[pimpmaster9000]

The yellow line begins at Obama and ends at present day trump...it is the S&P500 just as an example...

now trump did all that MAGA stuff and he still has nothing to show for it...just a prolonged trend that obama started...can anybody spot the MAGA on the chart?

of course very few americans benefit from the stock market but lets look at the stock market anyway...NOTHING SPECIAL...no MAGA

wassup onehunglo? did your portfolio not grow under obama?

pussy LOL

[damirstthe]

interesting

[pimpmaster9000]

can some financial experts like onehunglo (pussy) explain why trump is underperforming?

[pimpmaster9000]

in my search for the MAGA I zoomed in and the purple line is the trump presidency and also the bottom of the range and the yellow line is obama + trump trend line...isnt it amazing how they are perfectly parallel? its like trump did not do shit...I was hoping the trump trend line would be much much steeper because onhunglo claimed his portfolio is rising under trump like a LOT...but no...no MAGA on that chart...

[dyna mo]

That last one is a chart of my Johnson.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

That last one is a chart of my Johnson.

Well your johson would be under obamas yellow trend line...onehunglo said there was tons of MAGA but there obviously is not...

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

can some financial experts like onehunglo (pussy) explain why trump is underperforming?

What's funny is the market was almost at 14k six months before Obama got in. and with ZERO fed rate hikes for almost 7 years it finally hit 18k on the night Trump was elected. How many times has the Fed raised the rate since Trump took office? Oh you don't consider that I bet.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

What's funny is the market was almost at 14k six months before Obama got in. and with ZERO fed rate hikes for almost 7 years it finally hit 18k on the night Trump was elected. How many times has the Fed raised the rate since Trump took office? Oh you don't consider that I bet.

Charts dont lie...I searched and searched for the MAGA...can you point it out?...I just see underperformance...

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

Charts dont lie...I searched and searched for the MAGA...can you point it out?...I just see underperformance...

An almost 50% gain in under 2 years with like 5 fed rate hikes is underperforming to you?

[OneHungLo]

And we're LOVIN' the maga everyday. Love him or hate him, Trump has the most courage we have seen in several generations of politicians. He takes the heat, he always punches back, and has delivered or painfully attempted to deliver on all his outrageous campaign promises.

let me point out the MAGA to you serbie...

America First, North Korean nuclear de escalation, personal individual income tax cuts, restored employment for the middle class workers in coal mines, NAFTA unfairness addressed for union workers, Chinese and Mexican tariffs imposed to make fair trade, NATO paying their fair share, rebuilt the military, transportation infrastructure funded, securing immigration borders, nuclear weapons modernization, new weapons development, terrorism curtailed, dramatic increase in employment for every minority and the entire population, businesses once again returning to the US, replenishment of the steel and aluminum companies, stock markets dramatically increasing the access to capital, etc. Despite all these generational solutions we only hear daily about Stormy Daniels, Muellar, and kids crying as the enter day care. That’s why he tweets.

[kane]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

What's funny is the market was almost at 14k six months before Obama got in. and with ZERO fed rate hikes for almost 7 years it finally hit 18k on the night Trump was elected. How many times has the Fed raised the rate since Trump took office? Oh you don't consider that I bet.

Fake news!!!!!!!!

The DOW was under 8K when Obama took office.

From Politifact.

Starting with Trump’s inauguration, the Dow has risen from 19,827.3 to 25,075.1 -- an increase of 26 percent. That’s impressive.

But it’s not as impressive as its performance during the equivalent period under Obama. Under Obama, the Dow increased from 7,949.1 to 10,572 — a rise of 33 percent.

The market increased 149% under Obama.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

An almost 50% gain in under 2 years with like 5 fed rate hikes is underperforming to you?

The yellow line...it does not lie...

[CoolMikey]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

The yellow line...it does not lie...

who cares about some "yellow line"? reality is, you are missing out on double digit annual returns, trying to find some bs pattern, smart folks have tripled their money since Trump got elected, while you are looking at some bs charts... but hey, whatever floats your boat...

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

America First, North Korean nuclear de escalation, personal individual income tax cuts, restored employment for the middle class workers in coal mines, NAFTA unfairness addressed for union workers, Chinese and Mexican tariffs imposed to make fair trade, NATO paying their fair share, rebuilt the military, transportation infrastructure funded, securing immigration borders, nuclear weapons modernization, new weapons development, terrorism curtailed, dramatic increase in employment for every minority and the entire population, businesses once again returning to the US, replenishment of the steel and aluminum companies, stock markets dramatically increasing the access to capital, etc. Despite all these generational solutions we only hear daily about Stormy Daniels, Muellar, and kids crying as the enter day care. That’s why he tweets.

why is not all this reflected on the chart then? you mention so many great dramatic earth shattering things yet the chart shows nothing special...

either the chart is lying or trump is...and charts dont lie...

[crockett]

Originally Posted by CoolMikey

who cares about some "yellow line"? reality is, you are missing out on double digit annual returns, trying to find some bs pattern, smart folks have tripled their money since Trump got elected, while you are looking at some bs charts... but hey, whatever floats your boat...

So that means smart people tripled their money twice under obama...

[thommy]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

Charts dont lie...I searched and searched for the MAGA...can you point it out?...I just see underperformance...

you can not see the economical wealth of a country on the stock market.
the main reason for this is that the shares sold in recent months are usually sold to companies that have used the tax cut to buy back their shares.
if this money is gone you will see the difference.
but that still does not have to do with the present situation because stock markets are build on numbers made in the past and not in the presence.

stock markets are an indicator for the global economy.
all stock markets did well after the crisis - US was not an exception - because all countries lend money to heat up their economy. but most of them a paying it back right now while trump is still pushing money in an already overheating economy.

that leads to some facts that are much more interesting:

1. the us debt rate is increasing faster as ever before
2. the us trade balance made the biggest deficit since decades
3. China made it´s biggest surplus with USA in it´s history in august while
the trade deficit of US is on new low.
4. instead bringing investors to usa most big companies are moving abroad
and investing money in new factories in europe, asia and latin america.

all this are indicators that will influence the stock markets in the 3rd + 4th quarter.
this will weaken the domestic market what is actually creating this boom on credit card limits.

[huey]

I believe Obama was given a shit hand to start his presidency but how much of his success is do to QE? Always nice to have a few trillion to add to the economy.

[RedFred]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

An almost 50% gain in under 2 years with like 5 fed rate hikes is underperforming to you?

DOW hasn't done shit for 8 months now, and in fact it's lower than it was in January. Remember Trump bragged daily about it when it was still in the Obama upswing? Funny how he hasnt mentioned it in almost a year.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by thommy

you can not see the economical wealth of a country on the stock market.
the main reason for this is that the shares sold in recent months are usually sold to companies that have used the tax cut to buy back their shares.
if this money is gone you will see the difference.
but that still does not have to do with the present situation because stock markets are build on numbers made in the past and not in the presence.

stock markets are an indicator for the global economy.
all stock markets did well after the crisis - US was not an exception - because all countries lend money to heat up their economy. but most of them a paying it back right now while trump is still pushing money in an already overheating economy.

that leads to some facts that are much more interesting:

1. the us debt rate is increasing faster as ever before
2. the us trade balance made the biggest deficit since decades
3. China made it´s biggest surplus with USA in it´s history in august while
the trade deficit of US is on new low.
4. instead bringing investors to usa most big companies are moving abroad
and investing money in new factories in europe, asia and latin america.

all this are indicators that will influence the stock markets in the 3rd + 4th quarter.
this will weaken the domestic market what is actually creating this boom on credit card limits.

yes this is all true but onehunglo was boasting about how his stocks were doing well and lo and behold, they are doing just as well as under obama...onehunglo said trump did all these groundbreaking things for the US economy and I am just asking him to explain where the MAGA is

look he said trump did all this:

America First, North Korean nuclear de escalation, personal individual income tax cuts, restored employment for the middle class workers in coal mines, NAFTA unfairness addressed for union workers, Chinese and Mexican tariffs imposed to make fair trade, NATO paying their fair share, rebuilt the military, transportation infrastructure funded, securing immigration borders, nuclear weapons modernization, new weapons development, terrorism curtailed, dramatic increase in employment for every minority and the entire population, businesses once again returning to the US, replenishment of the steel and aluminum companies, stock markets dramatically increasing the access to capital, etc.

[dyna mo]

you anti-American nitwits, you're right about 1 thing- charts don't lie and in spite of your *the USA economy apocalypse is coming this fucking quarter* (fuking lol) gobbledygook nonsense, that chart proves otherwise.

not to mention your dumbed down prediction of the future. and you conveniently left out key economic indicators such as consumer confidence, spending and wage increase. etc. et al

but hey, thanks for the chart showing how well the USA market is doing.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by thommy

all this are indicators that will influence the stock markets in the 3rd + 4th quarter.
this will weaken the domestic market what is actually creating this boom on credit card limits.

we're supposed to believe what this fucking hate-filled nitwit has to say when he doesn't even know what fucking quarter we're in.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

yes this is all true but onehunglo was boasting about how his stocks were doing well and lo and behold, they are doing just as well as under obama...onehunglo said trump did all these groundbreaking things for the US economy and I am just asking him to explain where the MAGA is

well, we all know in what small world onehung is living.

if a 10 year old had the money in 2009 to buy all stocks from all indexes on this planet he would be a very very rich man.

it´s like someone would say: but we have gravity in us by not even knowing that others have gravity too but they make more out of it.

it is not surprising me anymore because there are really a lot of people in us who do not know s shit about their own country but especially this ones want to show other countries (what are doing MUCH better) the correct way.

if you are grown up on a chicken farm and have never seen another animal than a chicken - it might be for you the biggest animal alive.
if someone would tell you about an elephant you would probably think that this guy is a liar.

so the problem is always the same that people with far different knowledge horizon talk to each other it is the same as a conversation between an adult and a child what does not know that it is a child.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

we're supposed to believe what this fucking hate-filled nitwit has to say when he doesn't even know what fucking quarter we're in.

the end of the third quarter is at the end of this month, you brain dead.

until then you can still have a look at the "success figures" of trump and his faked inauguration photos.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by thommy

the end of the third quarter is at the end of this month, you brain dead.

until then you can still have a look at the "success figures" of trump and his faked inauguration photos.

So you're prediction is there will be a financial collapse in the 4th quater. I guess we'll see, scat boy.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by thommy

the end of the third quarter is at the end of this month, you brain dead.

until then you can still have a look at the "success figures" of trump and his faked inauguration photos.

you fucking nitwit. you exclaimed:

all this are indicators that will influence the stock markets in the 3rd + 4th quarter.

and you're too fucking stupid to realize 3rd quarter is almost over. not to mention you're conveniently leaving out crucial indicators.


your hate blinds you to the fact you're a hate-filled nitwit.

[pimpmaster9000]

It has been a good bull run but we all know what happens next...it is time and it is coming close...the oracle has spoken....

[dyna mo]

The stock market is cyclical. Duh. The sun will set later today and it will rise in the morning. The dyna has spoken.

But thanks for the chart proving how kick ass the US market is doing!

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

The stock market is cyclical. Duh. The sun will set later today and it will rise in the morning. The dyna has spoken.

But thanks for the chart proving how kick ass the US market is doing!

Yes knee grow that is why I said "we all know what happens next" ...thank you for pointing out that water is wet right after I said water is wet...

[BaldBastard]

Tramp lowered taxes dramatically and allowed stolen loot to be returned, however despite that, the USA is only clonking along in pace with other countries that did neither.

https://www.oecd.org/eco/outlook/?cr...=inartcilelink

They must of been expecting much greater results from Trumps efforts, there's no stolen loot next year, there's not enough income to run the Government, eventually people will wake up that tariffs are just a hidden tax you the consumer pays.

meanwhile in China
https://www.worldbank.org/en/country...pdate-may-2018

Economic activity in China remains resilient, with GDP growing by 6.9 percent in 2017 and 6.8 percent in the first quarter of 2018.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard

Tramp lowered taxes dramatically and allowed stolen loot to be returned, however despite that, the USA is only clonking along in pace with other countries that did neither.

https://www.oecd.org/eco/outlook/?cr...=inartcilelink

They must of been expecting much greater results from Trumps efforts, there's no stolen loot next year, there's not enough income to run the Government, eventually people will wake up that tariffs are just a hidden tax you the consumer pays.

meanwhile in China
https://www.worldbank.org/en/country...pdate-may-2018

Economic activity in China remains resilient, with GDP growing by 6.9 percent in 2017 and 6.8 percent in the first quarter of 2018.

Earned money overseas = stolen loot? bahahahhahaa

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

Yes knee grow that is why I said "we all know what happens next" ...thank you for pointing out that water is wet right after I said water is wet...

You're not able to realize how ridiculous it is to exclaim a bull run will end like an oracle. Duh. That's like thommy predicting during this 3rd quarter his doom and gloom prediction will come true during the 3rd quarter.

[BaldBastard]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Earned money overseas = stolen loot? bahahahhahaa

You can argue it anyway you want, certainly these companies were willing to let the USA slide into recession rather than paying the tax they would of had too, these aren't exactly patriotic's hiding out in offshore tax havens.

Most of it was from multinational companies using loopholes in outdated tax laws, many of those laws have been changed or are changing, its not a cash grab that can be repeated because of that.

That was tax that would of lessoned the burden on consumers, Trump allowed it back no questions asked, then borrowed more money so you the consumer can pay it back.

The tax saving he gave those companies.. was the American citizens money, there was no negotiations, no "Art of the deal" Just bring it back tax free.. no questions asked.

It was possibly the dumbest move in history, he could of offered a reduced rate, or put a clause in there to have it fund his infrastructure projects or a million other things.. but nah party like its … 1929

[thommy]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

So you're prediction is there will be a financial collapse in the 4th quater. I guess we'll see, scat boy.

i do not predict a colapse - what i said is that you are going to see the negative effects from 3rd quarter on - even when you are a blind one.

if there is a colapse later or not depend how fast they impeach the clown.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

You're not able to realize how ridiculous it is to exclaim a bull run will end like an oracle. Duh. That's like thommy predicting during this 3rd quarter his doom and gloom prediction will come true during the 3rd quarter.

No you just have trouble reading because it puts unusual strain on your unused brain...we all know a bear market is coming as I explained to you in my last reply in this thread where you also had trouble reading, BUT, I predicts a crash soon, this is the oracle part...

Ok get some crayons and try to draw this, also put some bees and pretty flowers in the picture...

[BaldBastard]

The Australian economy has grown at its fastest rate in six years

https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-...05-p501uf.html

No tax cut, no fraud money, no extra borrowing from China.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard

The Australian economy has grown at its fastest rate in six years

https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-...05-p501uf.html

No tax cut, no fraud money, no extra borrowing from China.

Nooooooooooooooooooo! Trump is a super genius! You numbers LIE

MAGA! LoL

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

No you just have trouble reading because it puts unusual strain on your unused brain...we all know a bear market is coming as I explained to you in my last reply in this thread where you also had trouble reading, BUT, I predicts a crash soon, this is the oracle part...

Ok get some crayons and try to draw this, also put some bees and pretty flowers in the picture...

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, just like the btc gibberish you spew.

and the chart you posted is already full of pretty flowers

thanks again for pointing out USA kicks ass.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard

The Australian economy has grown at its fastest rate in six years

https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-...05-p501uf.html

No tax cut, no fraud money, no extra borrowing from China.

at what point on this growth chart did the tax cut happen? where on this chart did "fraud money" make the difference? where on this chart did the "extra borrowing from China" happen?

[Acepimp]

FACTS:

A Comparison of Two Presidents: President Trump versus President Obama – Their First 600 Days

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by Acepimp

FACTS:

A Comparison of Two Presidents: President Trump versus President Obama – Their First 600 Days

Hahahahahahahaha


The article completely ignores that obama had nothing to do with the crash...

Also the trump stats are clearly for morons...citing stuff like the DOW has never gained +5000$ so fast, shows a poor understanding of basic math and how percentages count and not points...

Explanation for trump supporters: the DOW rising 5000 when it is already numerically high is not the same as if the dow rose from a much lower number...each president in the future will easily beat this number based on simple math alone...simple math is a mysterious thing for trump supporters and my explanation will not clear the fog in your brains, but I wanted you to know that the article was written for you guys and not normal people Ahahahahaha!

[BaldBastard]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

at what point on this growth chart did the tax cut happen? where on this chart did "fraud money" make the difference? where on this chart did the "extra borrowing from China" happen?

Your pointing out the problem.. where is the spike?, and there isn't one, yet we know this year the USA has had the biggest cash injection in world history

yet all its done is maintain the trend, the same trend other countries have maintained by doing zippydoo.

[dyna mo]

I'm not shocked the serbie need to dumb shit down, thommy style, so he can point his finger at US, thommy style.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard

Your pointing out the problem.. where is the spike?, and there isn't one, yet we know this year the USA has had the biggest cash injection in world history

yet all its done is maintain the trend, the same trend other countries have maintained by doing zippydoo.

this is what I would like to know as well...where is the spike?....I was told there wold be a spike...MAGA and stuff...but no...no spike...

onehunglo is crying like a little girl about the fed rate hike LOL how much did they raise the rate? a percent?


onehunglo uses penises as toothbrushes

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

this is what I would like to know as well...where is the spike?....I was told there wold be a spike...MAGA and stuff...but no...no spike...

onehunglo is crying like a little girl about the fed rate hike LOL how much did they raise the rate? a percent?


onehunglo uses penises as toothbrushes

Like interest rates have no effect on the economy. You do know in real economies (not serbia where you trade chickens for blowjobs) people use lots of leverage and take out loans for equipment and business expenses and 1 or 2 points can have a profound effect.

[Rochard]

The entire time during the Obama administration the Republican party kept telling us how bad the economy was. Even as unemployment dropped to 4%, effectively cutting unemployment in half during his administration, the Republican party kept telling us how bad the economy was. Two months after Trump became president, suddenly the economy was great.

The Republicans here on GFY did it too. Vendzilla, and others, talked about the "real unemployment rate" and also the labor force participation rate.

They did this was while completely ignoring the truth - Obama ended our recession, fixed the economy, and gave us a 4% unemployment rate. We had seventy-two months of consecutive dropping unemployment under Obama.

The reality here is that Obama is our savior. Trump is literally just riding on Obama's coattails.

Republicans tell us the tax bill is why our economy is booming. This is completely false. The only thing the tax bill did was increase our deficit. The GDP was still higher under Obama. Trump gave us a tax cut for no reason. We are going to pay for this. Even worse, the tax cuts for the middle class expire, but for the big companies raking in billions they do not expire.

[BaldBastard]

Originally Posted by Rochard

The entire time during the Obama administration the Republican party kept telling us how bad the economy was. Even as unemployment dropped to 4%, effectively cutting unemployment in half during his administration, the Republican party kept telling us how bad the economy was. Two months after Trump became president, suddenly the economy was great.

The Republicans here on GFY did it too. Vendzilla, and others, talked about the "real unemployment rate" and also the labor force participation rate.

They did this was while completely ignoring the truth - Obama ended our recession, fixed the economy, and gave us a 4% unemployment rate. We had seventy-two months of consecutive dropping unemployment under Obama.

The reality here is that Obama is our savior. Trump is literally just riding on Obama's coattails.

Republicans tell us the tax bill is why our economy is booming. This is completely false. The only thing the tax bill did was increase our deficit. The GDP was still higher under Obama. Trump gave us a tax cut for no reason. We are going to pay for this. Even worse, the tax cuts for the middle class expire, but for the big companies raking in billions they do not expire.

Trump didn't give you a tax cut, he moved the tax to imported products what's more is his fiscal policy has increased the value of the USA$$, us foreign webmasters have had a 10-20% increase in funds earned from the USA this year as the dollar has strengthened.

A 20% import duty tax on Chinese products, ignores the dollars impact softening the blow.. for those in China, why the American consumer.. picks up the tab.

[NewNick]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Earned money overseas = stolen loot? bahahahhahaa

Absolutely.

This is money stashed away in off shore tax havens. How do you think it got there ?

Revenues generated outside of the US in zero tax circular corporate structures.

Starbucks, Google, Facebook, bla bla, all of them generating vast sums in Europe and paying virtually zero tax because their ultimate tax jurisdiction is so vague.

So Trump lets then bring it into the US. No questions asked, zero fucks given.

This is money that should have helped to support the social systems where it was plundered. The free affluent societies that create an environment in which the multi nationals flourish need tax revenues or they will fail. So if Corporate giants put a bit back the social systems are properly funded relieving the burden from the citizens.

Or not, and the poor get fucked again.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Like interest rates have no effect on the economy. You do know in real economies (not serbia where you trade chickens for blowjobs) people use lots of leverage and take out loans for equipment and business expenses and 1 or 2 points can have a profound effect.

oh so a 1 point change un-MAGAS all the MAGA? you quoted some serious groundbreaking shit that trump did and just 1 point fucks this up?

how much leverage do they use?

what kind of "great economy" has to use leverage to borrow money? should a "great economy" not be rolling in dough? this all sounds like trumps bankruptcies to me

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

And we're LOVIN' the maga everyday. Love him or hate him, Trump has the most courage we have seen in several generations of politicians.

[RedFred]

Originally Posted by Rochard

The entire time during the Obama administration the Republican party kept telling us how bad the economy was. Even as unemployment dropped to 4%, effectively cutting unemployment in half during his administration, the Republican party kept telling us how bad the economy was. Two months after Trump became president, suddenly the economy was great.

The Republicans here on GFY did it too. Vendzilla, and others, talked about the "real unemployment rate" and also the labor force participation rate.

They did this was while completely ignoring the truth - Obama ended our recession, fixed the economy, and gave us a 4% unemployment rate. We had seventy-two months of consecutive dropping unemployment under Obama.

The reality here is that Obama is our savior. Trump is literally just riding on Obama's coattails.

Republicans tell us the tax bill is why our economy is booming. This is completely false. The only thing the tax bill did was increase our deficit. The GDP was still higher under Obama. Trump gave us a tax cut for no reason. We are going to pay for this. Even worse, the tax cuts for the middle class expire, but for the big companies raking in billions they do not expire.