Trump now threatening Harley Davidson..

you actually think I read trumps tweets? your fucking high dude.. and the money section has been talking about this for 5 days now. seriously try and get your shit together okay?

I am not sure what you are getting at, but at this point he hasn't done anything good. Not one damn thing.

I am not a Democrat. The person I wanted to vote for this time was a Republican. Under Bush, I didn't sit here and question everything little thing he did. I surely supported Bush after 9/11, and also when we went after Iraq. In the past I could see both the good and the bad of any President no matter party they were in.

But something changed with both politics and American society when Obama won his first election and became President. Republicans went crazy. This was a difficult period for Americans, the recession was hitting us full force; People were losing their jobs and their houses. Instead of helping at all, it seemed like the Republicans were more interested in criticising everything Obama did. Seriously, they were questioning where Obama was born? This isn't grade school. At the time, Obama fixed us. He fixed our economy. We had seventy-two months of consecutive dropping unemployment. When Trump took office our economy was taking off and unemployment had been dropping FOR YEARS. Trump took office with the economy in the best possible shape.

Did Trump fix the VA? Nope.

Did he solve the Middle East? Nope. (LOL - Jared went to the Middle East the Palestinians refused to talk to him because of his part in the Jerusalem fisaco.)

Did trump fix North Korea? Nope. He pulled back our troops from the border and canceled war games and got nothing in return.

Did he fix the problems with Russia? Did he confront Russia about Ukraine? Crimea? Meddling in our election? Nope.

Did he fix NAFTA? Nope.

TTP? Nope.

Did he fix healthcare? Nope. Made that worse.

The only thing he did was give big companies a tax break. How is that working? Gee, seems to me like the Stock Market has been loosing ground since the tax breaks - how is that even possible?

Mr. trump hasn't accomplished one damn positive thing.

Agree there, most riders you see today are old, or older, graybeards.

At the price point, Harley, is asking , they are the only ones who can afford them.

There are quite a few, motorcycles out there , which are better, more nimbler, lighter weight and more affordable.

The younger guys, are not sold on the Harley myth, they want to keep their faces in the wind, with an affordable alternative

ps. Yes, I am a Harley owner

Pretty much everything he says or does is wrong, wrong, wrong in the worst way.

When I go to motorcycle races the lots are full of Yamaha and Honda. You do see some BMW and Harley's, but it's always the older guys. Younger guys ride Yamaha's and Honda's, sport bikes.

why should they ?

they just have to close the production in US and keep on with their factories in india and thailand.

the big error is that americans think that thailand and india are poor countries - yes the majority is poor but the 10% what are not are spending money like fuck.

and these are big countries with MANY people.

let HD loose 100 k buyers in USA - the rest of the world will still like it and for indians, thais, chinese and the rest of the asian continent the legend is still alive.

imagine 10% of 2,5 billion - how much is that ?

and the same will happen with other goods.
the buying power of asia is not in a few rich individuals - their buying power is in the mass of people with small money.

HD will not be a big deal for US - a few jobs will get lost.
but much more are getting lost with MANY other goods.

the point is that you can not see that right now because economy is always a look into the past when the numbers are published.
wait 2-3 month and than look at the numbers. look at the stock market and look at the inflation rate and look on the value of the dollar what will rise a lot in the coming month.
that means that american goods will be even MORE expensive as they are just because of the tariffs while chinese yuan will decrease in value and that makes their goods even cheaper.

who lost ?

every big US company have warned trump doing this step - every economist did - now it is too late for a turnaround. the world is in the start of a new financial crisis what will be here before this year ends.
the biggest losers in that will be the american economy and the citizens there.
it won´t be the big international companies who can move every day wherever they want to move. if will be the normal citizens, the farmers and the local stores who can´t move out - this is the tragedy !

Agree there, most riders you see today are old, or older, graybeards.

At the price point, Harley, is asking , they are the only ones who can afford them.

There are quite a few, motorcycles out there , which are better, more nimbler, lighter weight and more affordable.

The younger guys, are not sold on the Harley myth, they want to keep their faces in the wind, with an affordable alternative

ps. Yes, I am a Harley owner

Motorcycles in general took a huge hit in US sales.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...es-since-1990/

Since 1979 Honda bikes were made in the USA, in 2009 they closed their Ohio plant and moved all production to Japan.

Yamahas are made in Japan as far as I know.

I'm sure Trump's goons are working hard to find the right foreign bike companies to give incentives to come to America and compete with American made Harley's. "America first" is a fucking lie

They're overpriced in my opinion. I was getting into motorcycles and looking to get one and when I saw the prices I was like fuck that I'll likely end up crashing it anyway. If most newcomers into cycling had the same reaction you can see why sales are low with the current cost of motorcycles. An engine & 2 wheels for $10k on the low end? Fuck that

When I go to motorcycle races the lots are full of Yamaha and Honda. You do see some BMW and Harley's, but it's always the older guys. Younger guys ride Yamaha's and Honda's, sport bikes.

I have a friend that recently bought one of the better Yamaha's that you can get, $16k. Can you get a Harley for that? I have no idea, I remember them being quite expensive though, $30s?

sportsters are more reasonable and the new hd street 500's look alright. both around 8k canadian.

but for pure power the kawasaki vulcan s 650 is a beast for the same price. practically a racing bike built like a cruiser.