Question: Tube sites revenue share pay?

[candidpro]

I was wondering does anyone have an idea of the type of money that can be made with tube sites revenue sharing program for original content? I know Xvideos will pay 50% of ad revenue for an original video but what type of dollar amount can be expected per view? Youtube does about $1,000 per 1 million views so I can't imagine Xvideos paying more than that?

[ianmoone332000]

I had the idea in my head of doing this. Maybe start with cheap girls to get it up and running. Then putting something up on your site to buy users homemade videos and ad them to the tubes. I guess you would need to get the user to talk about your site or something in the video so you do not have folk trying to sell you videos they dont own. Another question il add onto yours is can you add the same video onto all the different tubes or does each one expect exclusive rights to the video?

[SpicyM]

The pay is too low to have it as a sole income for a content producer. I have uploaded 4 videos and only made $60. You need to upload regularly, ideally 2-3x per week.

However, it can be a good side income for those who run successful paysites and shoot new stuff regularly as the more you upload the more views and popularity your channel get.

[blackmonsters]

Do you make more money when some other pimp pimps your ho?

[thommy]

Do you make more money when some other pimp pimps your ho?

if the other pimp have more customers - probably yes !

[thommy]

I was wondering does anyone have an idea of the type of money that can be made with tube sites revenue sharing program for original content? I know Xvideos will pay 50% of ad revenue for an original video but what type of dollar amount can be expected per view? Youtube does about $1,000 per 1 million views so I can't imagine Xvideos paying more than that?

you can not compare youtube with xvideos.

$ 1,000 per 1 million views would be 1 $ per K.
I doubt that anybody can pay even 1/10 of that in porn because invideo ads just generating a lot of accident clicks but the conversion rate is beyond hell.

[Matyko]

I have uploaded 4 videos and only made $60.

You are doing it wrong.

Everyone has different results.

90% of the people have NO or little experience working with the tubes

And some of these people still tend to hire retarded webmasters/companies to handle their tube channels. Now THIS is crazy.

Both xvideos and PornHub Premium are superb places to get a fair share back for your content. There are other good performing tubes, but this two are the ones that do share back the ad revenue. RIGHT NOW PornHub pays you $36.83 for 1000 views

[ianmoone332000]

Hi Matyko. can you add the same video onto all the different tubes or does each one expect exclusive rights to the video?

[emmasexytime]

if the other pimp have more customers - probably yes !

[Zeiss]

I can be hard.

if the other pimp have more customers - probably yes !

[ianmoone332000]

I can be hard.

Pimping aint easy

[thommy]

RIGHT NOW PornHub pays you $36.83 for 1000 views

are you drunk ?

[Zeiss]

Pimping aint easy

I know.

are you drunk ?

Most probably he is. How come they pay that much? In a dream?

[SpicyM]

You are doing it wrong.

Everyone has different results.

90% of the people have NO or little experience working with the tubes

And some of these people still tend to hire retarded webmasters/companies to handle their tube channels. Now THIS is crazy.

Both xvideos and PornHub Premium are superb places to get a fair share back for your content. There are other good performing tubes, but this two are the ones that do share back the ad revenue. RIGHT NOW PornHub pays you $36.83 for 1000 views

I am not doing it wrong, just don't have more videos ready for upload atm. This is my personal stuff... and you clearly don't understand how PH works.

Been working with tubes for 6 years running a channel for a paysite I won't name. That is a different story. I won't specify how much we make due to NDA.

If your channel is new, it doesn't have the exposure needed. You need to upload regularly, so this is no way doable for those who intent to shoot content and monetize it only this way.

RIGHT NOW PornHub pays you $36.83 for 1000 views

PH uses this formula: 10% of gross revenue / all viewshare views = viewshare rate

We actually reach more than that per 1k views, but the IMPORTANT thing is the VIEWs under Viewshare are much much lower than the views in the public section.

[SpicyM]

Most probably he is. How come they pay that much? In a dream?

He is not. You won't reach this rate if you have just a few scenes uploaded though. You need to have hundreds to earn this kind of money and keep uploading new stuff. You also can't reupload.

That's why I said this is only suitable for paysites that shoot regularly.

[Matyko]

are you drunk ?

I drink very rarely.

Someone else above already mentioned: this is NOT for the regular videos, this is for the PornHub Premium videos [so full scenes, restricted to paid members only - and yes, the views are obviously way lower. Xvideos is moving in this direction with RED btw. ]

[ianmoone332000]

Hi Matyko & Spicy. Can you add the same video onto all the different tubes or does each one expect exclusive rights to the video?

[SpicyM]

Hi Matyko & Spicy. Can you add the same video onto all the different tubes or does each one expect exclusive rights to the video?

You provide non-exclusive rights to PH, so you can upload the same scene to different tubes.

[ianmoone332000]

You provide non-exclusive rights to PH, so you can upload the same scene to different tubes.

Thanks Spicy. Thats a bonus then

[celandina]

You are doing it wrong.

Everyone has different results.

90% of the people have NO or little experience working with the tubes

And some of these people still tend to hire retarded webmasters/companies to handle their tube channels. Now THIS is crazy.

Both xvideos and PornHub Premium are superb places to get a fair share back for your content. There are other good performing tubes, but this two are the ones that do share back the ad revenue. RIGHT NOW PornHub pays you $36.83 for 1000 views

$ 36 : 1000 = 0.0036 c per view.... Holly shit, not even a penny per paid view ??? Is this ridiculous or am I drunk ?? How desperate must the porn industry be if this is called monetizing ??

[daviking]

You are doing it wrong.
RIGHT NOW PornHub pays you $36.83 for 1000 views

Considering that they pay 10% of their ad rev, that would mean they make $400/1000 views or 40cents for one view.



you are off by a factor of 400.

[candidpro]

PH uses this formula: 10% of gross revenue / all viewshare views = viewshare rate

We actually reach more than that per 1k views, but the IMPORTANT thing is the VIEWs under Viewshare are much much lower than the views in the public section.

So you are saying it is much harder to reach 1,000 views? so what would be a good formula? if a video has 100,000 in public views would that be around 1,000 in Viewshare?

It's annoying the tubes just don't give a solid earning figure so people can decide if it's worth it to upload exclusive content or not to a tube

[SpicyM]

Considering that they pay 10% of their ad rev, that would mean they make $400/1000 views or 40cents for one view.



you are off by a factor of 400.

They say 10% of gross revenue.. not ad revenue.

Actually, the PH premium is ad-free so it looks like there is not any ad revenue included in that.

By 10% gross revenue they probably mean what they make from the paid memberships + cross sales, etc..

[SpicyM]

So you are saying it is much harder to reach 1,000 views? so what would be a good formula? if a video has 100,000 in public views would that be around 1,000 in Viewshare?

It's annoying the tubes just don't give a solid earning figure so people can decide if it's worth it to upload exclusive content or not to a tube

The views are generated from the members area so it is nowhere near those numbers of the public videos. My own clips received around 500 views per piece. But the more you upload and the better your videos are, the greater popularity your channel gains and the more views it can receive.

This is a great side income for paysites with exclusive content. If you expect to shoot content and earn money this way, well.. you would have to shoot exclusive scenes for $50 per scene... lol.

[thommy]

$ 36 : 1000 = 0.0036 c per view.... Holly shit, not even a penny per paid view ??? Is this ridiculous or am I drunk ?? How desperate must the porn industry be if this is called monetizing ??

this is 3,6 cent per view. what would even be A LOT in member areas.

imagine the following:
if a membersite have 1000 paid members and each one pays 19,90 per month.
it would be a gross income of around 18.000 US. after payment costs.

we now assume that every member watches an average of 2 videos a day then you get 60,000 views or 2,160 dollars at 3.6 cents per view.

now assume further that this website pays 50% to the referring webmaster what will be another 9.000 US.

that leaves the program owner with 6.840 dollars from what he have to pay server and content delivery costs, website design and administration, promotion material etc.

if you take another 3.500 for that per month he is left with 3.340 Dollars before tax from the 19.900 he started with.

if he would now pay 7 cent instead of 3,6 cent he would work for nothing.

unfortunately pornhub membership is not 19,90 but 9,95 per month.

I am not sure what is a valid view with them. if a user have to watch the video til the end or at least XXX seconds.

[celandina]

this is 3,6 cent per view. what would even be A LOT in member areas.

imagine the following:
if a membersite have 1000 paid members and each one pays 19,90 per month.
it would be a gross income of around 18.000 US. after payment costs.

we now assume that every member watches an average of 2 videos a day then you get 60,000 views or 2,160 dollars at 3.6 cents per view.

now assume further that this website pays 50% to the referring webmaster what will be another 9.000 US.

that leaves the program owner with 6.840 dollars from what he have to pay server and content delivery costs, website design and administration, promotion material etc.aaq

if you take another 3.500 for that per month he is left with 3.340 Dollars before tax from the 19.900 he started with.

if he would now pay 7 cent instead of 3,6 cent he would work for nothing.

unfortunately pornhub membership is not 19,90 but 9,95 per month.

I am not sure what is a valid view with them. if a user have to watch the video til the end or at least XXX seconds.

I guess I was drunk...instead of less then a penny its 3 pennies....I appreciate your explanation but still it makes very little economic sense...and that was my point

If the production costs ( at a minimum) are $ 5,000 per hour then this math does not work. I work on a principle " a dollar in, a dollar thirty out"... this would be in miilons of views before I would aproach a recoupment, never mind a 30% profit....Not a formula for me. Not trying to argue,but stating what rules I operate under.

[ianmoone332000]

I seen a guide somewhere about uploading content to the tubes but cant for the life of me remember where. Im sure it said your videos had to be HD, minimum length of the video was 10 mins and other tips to generate more income?

[blackmonsters]

The high level math in this thread is blowing my mind.

[candidpro]

The views are generated from the members area so it is nowhere near those numbers of the public videos. My own clips received around 500 views per piece. But the more you upload and the better your videos are, the greater popularity your channel gains and the more views it can receive.

This is a great side income for paysites with exclusive content. If you expect to shoot content and earn money this way, well.. you would have to shoot exclusive scenes for $50 per scene... lol.

I guess that's why they don't give people a hard number on how much money they can make? It sounds like it's very little so that would scare away producers...

[thommy]

I guess I was drunk...instead of less then a penny its 3 pennies....I appreciate your explanation but still it makes very little economic sense...and that was my point

If the production costs ( at a minimum) are $ 5,000 per hour then this math does not work. I work on a principle " a dollar in, a dollar thirty out"... this would be in miilons of views before I would aproach a recoupment, never mind a 30% profit....Not a formula for me. Not trying to argue,but stating what rules I operate under.

sure it is a question of the concept.
on long term you might make more money when you try to sell as expensive as possible
and one day in some future you will get more out of it. but as you have to do it with far less people it will take much longer.

the concept of a big business is mass. getting smaller but faster profits and invest again faster. those big biz constructions also do not expect 30 or 40% ROI they are even fine with 8-10% but as the basic sum is bigger AND growing faster those 8-10% are MUCH more at the end.

but you are right that this is not a concept for a one-man show or a very very small company. but the problem for them starts when the same products are also available for the big company. here is the power of money one of the factors a small company can´t compete.

so you can turn it around as you want - it is always a competition of the best no matter in what concept you believe.
the big error in our biz is that many smaller ones think that there is a way for them ALL to survive. but this will never happen. either they got ate by the big ones or by the smarter small ones.

[celandina]

sure it is a question of the concept.
on long term you might make more money when you try to sell as expensive as possible
and one day in some future you will get more out of it.......

I must be sleeping at the wheel....But the way I see it : there are:

1) Real content providers who actually make a content and sell it to a multiple web masters.
2) So called content providers who either buy and re sell content bought from the real ones ( plenty of threads around here by the real ones as how stop the so called ones selling their content over and over).
3) the plain theives ( also a few around here).
4) "the smart" thieves who state " Moa ?? I bought it fair and square from the so called providers "I dindoo nuffings wrongs". Some here also.
5) and those ( like us) who actually make content and sell it ONLY themselves. I guess rare ( but hopefully NOT a dying breed).

I have no idea what other way there is to sustain ones business thru thick and thin then what we are doing. I have said that many times here "content is king"

All these changes ( everybody talks about) do not affect real content providers. We deal with banks and we have to pay them back, so far since 2004 we are doing fine.

[SpicyM]

I guess that's why they don't give people a hard number on how much money they can make? It sounds like it's very little so that would scare away producers...

As I stated above, this is only suitable for people running paysites and shooting content.. as you have nothing to lose if you upload a part of your older scenes for extra profit. You don't have to upload Full hd scenes, keep those for your own members.

It is certainly much more effective than selling shit on Clips4Sale (which sucks) since here you get paid for views - no need to sell anything and wait 30 minutes till a huge scene finishes uploading on those shitty C4S servers.

[ilnjscb]

As I said in another thread, I'm hearing .007 per view bandied around as well, leading to a CPM of $.70, which does sound reasonable. If that is only membership views, it is no money at all, but if it is 1:500 membership views at $36 per membership 1000, it suddenly makes a lot of sense.

[SpicyM]

As I said in another thread, I'm hearing .007 per view bandied around as well, leading to a CPM of $.70, which does sound reasonable. If that is only membership views, it is no money at all, but if it is 1:500 membership views at $36 per membership 1000, it suddenly makes a lot of sense.

The premium joins are a little bonus here and there, it's the views that gerenate money. If you can upload at least 3-4 clips per week.

[brassmonkey]

no real answers...

[ilnjscb]

^^I don't know - we're getting closer. This was predicted back in 2010