Never been to, just basic negative lazy is what everyone says.

Greeks kinda invented lazyness so . . .

I don't know where you are originally from, but for me as an EU citizen the process was pretty simple. I just had to visit the local town hall, show my passport and proof of my new Portuguese home address. Then I had to fill in a form in which you also have to state that you are self sufficient and that you have arranged your own health insurance (a travel health insurance will NOT be enough in that case). So basically, you promise that you won't become a financial burden to Portugal while you stay there and profit from their tax free opportunity.

I didn't have to show any proof of income, but as a rule of thumb they probably consider you to be self sufficient when you earn about 8400 euros per year (which is the minimum wage of about 600 euros times 14 payment periods).

In case of doubt about your personal immigration situation, just contact the Portuguese immigration office. This is their website: https://www.sef.pt/en/Pages/homepage.aspx Don't send them emails nor use their web form. Out of experience I know that they never respond to that. If you have questions, the only way to get answers from them is to actually call them or even better visit a local SEF office while you are in Portugal.

a friend of mine been in Portugal few times also my cousin been abd work there for half a year they both have same opinion - beautiful architecture, warm country and very nice ppl.
and yes, thay also said it's pretty cheap for western country.
if you're independent in adult then i guess you can make living there.

I am a EU long term resident ( Slovenia would be easier for me ), but still have an Ukrainian passport. I have contacted them and they responded in GFY style. I don't think the proof of income would be a lump sum, rather some confirmed bank statement or a contract. Sounds like its easier to go there and ask :)

UPDATE!

Fuck, just translated:

2. The criterion for the determination of means of subsistence shall be made by reference to the minimum monthly salary guaranteed in accordance with article 266 (1) of the Labor Code, hereinafter referred to as RMMG, taking into account their nature and regularity, net of contributions to
social security with the following per capita valuation in each household:
a) First adult 100%;
b) Second or more adults 50%;
c) Children and young people under the age of 18 and
older children in charge 30%.

http://www.imigrante.pt/PagesEN/Legi...t1563_2007.pdf

Apparently, it's the same rule as in Slovenia, but in Portugal the minimum salary is LOWER.

Sounds like Portugal wins.

But the question remains HOW DO I PROVE my FREELANCE income to be considered :)

If you have an official EU citizen status, then there isn't much to worry about that, because you don't have to deal with SEF (that uses a pretty complicated immigration procedure), but can profit from free movement between EU member states and just have to visit the local town hall to register.

In case you still have doubts about having to show proof of income, then I would just take prints of the last 12 monthly statements from Paxum & Payoneer with me. Keep in mind that the immigration rate to Portugal in general is pretty low (below 2% of the total population), so unless you apply for your resident card in the big cities, it's very good possible that you stumble upon civil servants who don't have a clue themselves how such a process exactly works in their computer system and then (after asking a bunch of colleagues for help) 'just' register you. :-) Since not all Portuguese speak English, it can be very helpful if you already speak a bit of Portuguese or Spanish or French to speed up the registration.

Yes, the minimum wage is pretty low in Portugal, but honestly, although life is cheap here, I personally wouldn't have such a nice and relaxed time if I just made 600 euros each month. Unless you are fine with living in a crappy old house or are willing to share a house with others, you already need at least 600 euros per month to rent a decent furnished apartment and pay for your basic utilities. Add to that your costs for groceries (they are cheap), health insurance (rate depends on your age) and maybe costs for transport. Anyway, with just 1.000 euros per month you can already come pretty far. The more you exceed that barrier, the more you can start living like a king. :pimp

Not exactly, there is a SEF form to fill in my case:
Documentos Úteis #3 from top.

Will touch base with the Portugal Embassy and ask them on Monday - but yeah, Paxum / Payoneer, even bank statement.... gotta be sure as of I have family members.

This is only to maintain the status, and it says 600 for the main applicant, 300 for the 2nd adult, and 150 per each kid, so sums it up to be 1200 / mo. Doable, just have to see HOW they want to see it proved.

Also medical insurance. I have a local Polish and a EKUZ card, but once in Portugal - do you suggest having a private one? In Poland the cost is nearly the same for government based and private.

Most likely not valid anymore when you become a permanent Portuguese resident. I myself have an expat health insurance, also because I wasn't sure at first if I really wanted to stay here and that insurance also covers the rest of the world. However, since it's pretty expensive, I am investigating local alternatives now.

If you have the means for it, then try not to depend on the state health insurance, which is part of the Portuguese social security system. Depending on it means only access to state hospital that usually have a very long waiting list for treatments (sometimes people literally have to wait years). Private insurance generally means very short or no waiting for treatments, plus access to private clinics (offering higher quality in health care).

Narnia? :1orglaugh

Yeah .. their sea "totally sucks"

http://visitmybulgaria.com/wp-conten...silistar_3.jpg

http://hotelibg.eu/top%20kurorti/Primorsko/5.jpg

http://travelnews.bg/pic/home~p5Wl1~Ykbvr0_j.jpg

Fiddy warm EU countries!

Well it's a sea :)

but it's called the "black sea" and it's not as close as sea you can find in Greece, Italy or Malta for sure...

You can't compare that with this:
https://www.explore-calabria.com/wp-...-holiday-5.jpg

A private medical insurance in Poland would cost $100-$150 a month - a family plan.
I assume in Portugal it could be about the same.
Generally speaking EU medical system is nearly the same everywhere.

Mind my asking where are you from? May be in your home country it works better?

Well .. it's Not called "black sea" because it "sucks" ..
However .. for sure you can find better places, but believe me there's beautiful beaches/places in Bulgaria (not talking about Sunny Beach lol) .. I live here and I know what I'm talking about ..
And honestly that picture you posted .. I prefer the first picture of my post .. but different "tastes"...

https://namoreto.bg/wp-content/uploa...7/01/43667.jpg

I am thinking to go to Portugal also (just stay a few weeks/months). Many positive stories but is getting more expensive now. Remember someone who said it was a shithole a few years ago, kept booming since than.

There must be some good tax rules if you start a business. Maybe you can find them here:
https://www.pwc.pt/pt/fiscalidade/im...ept_secret.pdf

Porto is getting gentrified big time, lovely, but twice as expensive as it used to be... Still cheap though.

Originally from The Netherlands, so a totally qualified EU citizen. Therefore the moving procedure was plain simple. At first I also thought I had to deal with SEF, but all I had to do was ask for a Certificado de Registo de Cidadão de Comunão Europea at the local town hall, show proof of my new Portuguese address and sign a written oath that states that I am self sufficient and have my own health insurance (no need to show any proof) and pay 15 euro processing costs.

Will be that easy once I have a EU passport.

20% flat income tax is not actually cheap.

in RUS- land it's 6 or 13 % afair.
++ you speak language !

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

i hope you know what "flat income tax" means, do you ?

additionally the have some kind of "welcome tax" not sure for how many years - and if you are really into the tax laws in europe (and worldwide) there is no reason to pay a lot of tax anywhere on this planet.

if you are not a US citizen the best tax heavens you can find on this planet is USA.
Nevada, Delaware, Montana, South Dakota, Wyoming and New York and a few more brings you to 1% tax MAXIMUM.

if that is still too much for you there are many ways to pay 0 % tax on your worldwide income (if you are NOT a US individual) if you are an US individual citizen there are still a lot of legal ways to pay zero tax (you do not have to be a big company for that).

as long as you are not not born in USA and have an american passport you do not have to pay tax at all. and they are on the white list. so don´t try it with any other country if you can have it that easy.

The 20% is on local generated income. If you route your earnings through a company abrothen you ad (in my case a UK Limited at this moment), then it is seen as foreign source income and can profit from 0% tax during the first 10 years that you live in Portugal.

I'm not sure if this tax rule still exists for many decades to come, but right now the rule is, that when you leave Portugal after those 10 years and then return 5 years later, it's a matter of rinse and repeat and you can profit again for another 10 tax free years. :thumbsup

Isn't the digital age lovely, when all you basically need to make a living is basically a laptop, that you can take with you to whatever place treats you (financially) best? :pimp

That was my mistake. I thought it was meant for any income, freelance included. We're back to proving to have enough funds to live - if it's just a statement in your ( EU passport holder ) case, then no more questions asked.

It means 20% off all your earnings, no expenses included in the cost. $20 off the earned $100.

Do you read it in another way?

I wanted to treat you friendly. Really. Next time you post shit my way I will start treating you like CyberSEO, friend.

No comrade, we sell them for Poland(EU) - your time have head pain with them :1orglaugh
feed 1 time in day, beating regularly better with use legs, not give vodka, shower not necessary if smell not so strong :1orglaugh

https://novorosinform.org/wp-content...49ea2s-960.jpg
do not be angry with your new Polish masters :1orglaugh

May I ask you THE FUCK DO YOU CARE? Go check your daily anal probes you send daily to your supervisor at KGB.