Why the North Korea summit is going off the rails, explained by an expert

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  • Bladewire
    StraightBro
    • Aug 2003
    • 56228

    #61
    ↑↑↑ Truth


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    • dyna mo
      just a fucking jerk
      • Dec 2008
      • 68184

      #62
      Originally posted by MrBaldBastard
      Maybe just maybe there's a reason China has moved missiles to its new islands and deployed their version of the b52 bomber to the area, while the USA is also sending in bigger fire power. No doubt Russia has a few subs lurking as well.

      "A North Korean official has lashed out at US Vice President Mike Pence and said Pyongyang is ready for a nuclear showdown if dialogue with the United States fails. Whether the U.S. "will meet us at a meeting room or encounter us at nuclear-to-nuclear showdown is entirely dependent upon the decision and behaviour of the United States"

      Since Trumps been in.. NK had no nukes, then maybe they had one, then it came out they had at least 5, 6 months later they were saying 60 which is now 6 months ago, and it looking like Chinas got his back.


      If you all missed.. this week was the one China said CheckMate.
      what's a nuclear showdown? Inquiring minds want to know.

      And you'd certainly have a hard time proving trump's to blame for NK's timeline of nuke dev, they've been increasing missile tests and such every year, year after year. I hate bringing up obama and hillary here but both of them played hard ball with Un, he certainly was building an arsenal in reaction to their bluster as well. And Un's dad before him with previous administrations, bush, clinton, etc et al, for decades.

      next, their missiles are theoretical at best, there was 1 high arc test that succeeded and doing the math on the arc show that missile *could* make it to mainland USA.

      Most importantly, NK has about $0.48 to spend on a nuke showdown with America.

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      • dyna mo
        just a fucking jerk
        • Dec 2008
        • 68184

        #63
        checkers.

        nuke missile dev in NK has nothing to do with trump

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        • dyna mo
          just a fucking jerk
          • Dec 2008
          • 68184

          #64
          Originally posted by MrBaldBastard
          Maybe just maybe there's a reason China has moved missiles to its new islands and deployed their version of the b52 bomber to the area, while the USA is also sending in bigger fire power. No doubt Russia has a few subs lurking as well.

          "A North Korean official has lashed out at US Vice President Mike Pence and said Pyongyang is ready for a nuclear showdown if dialogue with the United States fails. Whether the U.S. "will meet us at a meeting room or encounter us at nuclear-to-nuclear showdown is entirely dependent upon the decision and behaviour of the United States"

          Since Trumps been in.. NK had no nukes, then maybe they had one, then it came out they had at least 5, 6 months later they were saying 60 which is now 6 months ago, and it looking like Chinas got his back.


          If you all missed.. this week was the one China said CheckMate.
          what's really odd about your post is how pro-militarization you are.

          You come across has having no issues at all with China militarizing a huge chunk of ocean. but but Trump caused NK to make a bunch of nukes in a year.

          keep confirming you're anti-American.

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          • Robbie
            Leaner, Meaner, Faster
            • Aug 2002
            • 20960

            #65
            Originally posted by dyna mo
            But there is no dance, the summit is postponed indefinitely. Trump alluded to that late yesterday.
            It's ALWAYS a negotiation. Trump has said since the very beginning (back on the campaign trail) that former administrations didn't have a clue on how to negotiate.
            He said you have to be able to walk away in order to get movement from the other side. If the other side thinks you are committed to doing something no matter what...then they have no reason to negotiate.

            Also...the meeting is STILL on. Trump has said so. Not sure why you are saying it isn't.
            At 3:36 p.m. Pacific time on Wed....North Korea THREATENED to pull out of the summit.

            You can't threaten to pull out of something that isn't happening.

            As for President Trump...these were the last comments he made on Wed.
            "Whatever it is," Trump said, "we will know next week about Singapore and if we go I think it will be a great thing for North Korea."

            So the premise of this thread is not correct.

            As far as negotiating goes...I wouldn't be surprised if this meeting does NOT take place yet. Pulling out of the meeting is a powerful negotiating tool for each side.
            BUT...the U.S. definitely has the upper hand and Trump knows it.
            For Kim Jung Un to meet with Pres. Trump is 100% good for Un and he knows it. Trump is definitely in the power seat.

            But having said that...Asian culture is different than ours. And as I understand it, "saving face" is a big part of that.

            So huffing and puffing before the talks is pretty much expected.
            And Trump knows that. He's negotiated with people in the Far East for decades.

            As the President has said over and over and over: "We'll have to wait and see".

            This is all standard "Art Of The Deal" stuff.

            And of course...ANY negotiation can go south in a hurry. That may very well happen. And if the meeting does not occur, it will put the North Koreans in a dangerous spot.
            It could very well mean military action and regime change.

            That is something that was going to happen eventually no matter who the President was. The U.S. has long ago laid down the marker that North Korea can not be allowed to have nukes.

            Trump has taken us further toward a negotiated settlement than any other President.

            And the reason I said I don't believe ANY of these so-called "experts" is simple:
            None of their "expert" advice helped any former administrations get anything done with North Korea.
            If this "expert" is so clever and so knowledgeable...then why didn't Pres. Obama heed him and "fix" the North Korea problem? Or why didn't George Bush? Or Bill Clinton? Or Bush Sr.? Or Reagan? Or Carter? Or Ford? Or Nixon? Or Johnson? Or Kennedy? Or Eisenhower? Or Truman?

            The answer is because these "experts" at universities are teachers.
            And there's an old saying:
            "Those that can DO, those that can't TEACH"
            -Robbie
            ClaudiaMarie.Com

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            • beerptrol
              Confirmed Asshole
              • Feb 2003
              • 12722

              #66
              The dotard chump canceled the meeting lol. He's such a snowflake. They are reading the letter he sent lol
              “If we are to have another contest in the near future of our national existence, I predict that the dividing line will not be Mason and Dixon's but between patriotism and intelligence on the one side, and superstition, ambition and ignorance on the other.”
              -- Ulysses S. Grant

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              • BaldBastard
                Too lazy to set a custom title
                • Jan 2001
                • 16805

                #67
                I wouldn't read too much into what's on and what's off until after the deadline

                It's beneficial for both sides, however both have asked for conditions the other won't/ can't keep, expect a lot of jostling by both and maybe they can reach some middle ground.. that's not Hawaii.

                Good chance to read up on North Koreas capabilities.

                https://media.defense.gov/2018/May/2...KOREA-2017.PDF

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                • pimpmaster9000
                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                  • Dec 2011
                  • 26732

                  #68
                  Originally posted by dyna mo
                  what's really odd about your post is how pro-militarization you are.

                  You come across has having no issues at all with China militarizing a huge chunk of ocean. but but Trump caused NK to make a bunch of nukes in a year.

                  keep confirming you're anti-American.
                  says the guy whos country is invading 24/7

                  why are americans so anti-world?
                  Report a suspicious cracker: Click Here

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                  • dyna mo
                    just a fucking jerk
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 68184

                    #69
                    Originally posted by Robbie
                    It's ALWAYS a negotiation. Trump has said since the very beginning (back on the campaign trail) that former administrations didn't have a clue on how to negotiate.
                    He said you have to be able to walk away in order to get movement from the other side. If the other side thinks you are committed to doing something no matter what...then they have no reason to negotiate.

                    Also...the meeting is STILL on. Trump has said so. Not sure why you are saying it isn't.
                    At 3:36 p.m. Pacific time on Wed....North Korea THREATENED to pull out of the summit.

                    You can't threaten to pull out of something that isn't happening.

                    As for President Trump...these were the last comments he made on Wed.
                    "Whatever it is," Trump said, "we will know next week about Singapore and if we go I think it will be a great thing for North Korea."

                    So the premise of this thread is not correct.

                    As far as negotiating goes...I wouldn't be surprised if this meeting does NOT take place yet. Pulling out of the meeting is a powerful negotiating tool for each side.
                    BUT...the U.S. definitely has the upper hand and Trump knows it.
                    For Kim Jung Un to meet with Pres. Trump is 100% good for Un and he knows it. Trump is definitely in the power seat.

                    But having said that...Asian culture is different than ours. And as I understand it, "saving face" is a big part of that.

                    So huffing and puffing before the talks is pretty much expected.
                    And Trump knows that. He's negotiated with people in the Far East for decades.

                    As the President has said over and over and over: "We'll have to wait and see".

                    This is all standard "Art Of The Deal" stuff.

                    And of course...ANY negotiation can go south in a hurry. That may very well happen. And if the meeting does not occur, it will put the North Koreans in a dangerous spot.
                    It could very well mean military action and regime change.

                    That is something that was going to happen eventually no matter who the President was. The U.S. has long ago laid down the marker that North Korea can not be allowed to have nukes.

                    Trump has taken us further toward a negotiated settlement than any other President.

                    And the reason I said I don't believe ANY of these so-called "experts" is simple:
                    None of their "expert" advice helped any former administrations get anything done with North Korea.
                    If this "expert" is so clever and so knowledgeable...then why didn't Pres. Obama heed him and "fix" the North Korea problem? Or why didn't George Bush? Or Bill Clinton? Or Bush Sr.? Or Reagan? Or Carter? Or Ford? Or Nixon? Or Johnson? Or Kennedy? Or Eisenhower? Or Truman?

                    The answer is because these "experts" at universities are teachers.
                    And there's an old saying:
                    "Those that can DO, those that can't TEACH"
                    umm, yeah, no.

                    I tried to tell ya the negotiations were done. So much for the master negotiator.

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                    • dyna mo
                      just a fucking jerk
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 68184

                      #70
                      Originally posted by beerptrol
                      The dotard chump canceled the meeting lol. He's such a snowflake. They are reading the letter he sent lol
                      he's a deal breaker, not a deal maker.

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                      • RedFred
                        Confirmed User
                        • Feb 2016
                        • 9782

                        #71
                        Now Trump can go to war with N Korea and blame Kim Jong Un.


                        Trump is now threatening nuclear war...

                        'America's nuclear weapons are so "massive and powerful that I pray to God they will never be used," the president wrote to the North Korean leader in a letter released by the White House.'

                        This is what Trump has wanted all along.

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                        • dyna mo
                          just a fucking jerk
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 68184

                          #72
                          Originally posted by RedFred
                          Now Trump can go to war with N Korea and blame Kim Jong Un.


                          Trump is now threatening nuclear war...

                          'America's nuclear weapons are so "massive and powerful that I pray to God they will never be used," the president wrote to the North Korean leader in a letter released by the White House.'

                          This is what Trump has wanted all along.
                          hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

                          This is quite the mess now. I read trump agreed to the Un meeting <45 minutes after the invite to do so, no due diligence, no discussion with his "experts", you know, the best of the best he claims he hired. He got played by the Asians, who also overplayed their hand and now Trump feels snubbed by the fact that NK never was going to give up their nukes. trump is no deal maker or negotiator.

                          big mess now.

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                          • celandina
                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                            • Jun 2006
                            • 11715

                            #73
                            Originally posted by dyna mo
                            thanks for explaining your view.

                            USA rebuilding Japan after ww2.
                            Not just Japan, whole Western Europe including Germany and gave a lot of support to Asian nations to defend against the "reds", but then it all went to rat shit. I do not know why( Vietnam complex maybe)??..., but when I was 15 I got my first pair of jeans ( not American ) probably DDR) but I have paid my whole monthly allowance to buy from somebody small American flag which I had stiched on the back pocket. That is how proud I was of America... but now? Go figure why I would not sew anything on my back pocket

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                            • Robbie
                              Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                              • Aug 2002
                              • 20960

                              #74
                              Originally posted by dyna mo
                              umm, yeah, no.

                              I tried to tell ya the negotiations were done. So much for the master negotiator.
                              If you can't see that this is still a negotiation then there's nothing more you will hear.
                              Walking away is a big part of a negotiation.
                              -Robbie
                              ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                              • BaldBastard
                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                • Jan 2001
                                • 16805

                                #75
                                Originally posted by RedFred
                                Now Trump can go to war with N Korea and blame Kim Jong Un.
                                Trump is now threatening nuclear war...

                                'America's nuclear weapons are so "massive and powerful that I pray to God they will never be used," the president wrote to the North Korean leader in a letter released by the White House.'

                                This is what Trump has wanted all along.
                                If Twitter rants fail.. write a love letter!

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