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06-20-2018, 10:59 AM

Originally posted by genoveze

I talked with the CEO of payoneer on the phone, even thought I did business with them, they dont want to take fault, they keep blaming First Choice , and are acting silent
which upsets me.

We should find a way to pressure them

I think this thread is not going to help you, it is sad they would not even help you after you know them so good. It tells me again that some people are so ungrateful. Sorry for your money lose.

BTW, maybe you should talk to Dan Epstein? he is still on Skype. And fairly responsive. I do know he is going through some rough times also

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06-20-2018, 03:10 PM

are we talking here on a hold of a 4 figure, 5 figure or 6 figure number?
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06-20-2018, 03:13 PM

well over 100,000 USD

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06-20-2018, 03:14 PM

Originally posted by Tjeezers_Brokerbabe

I think this thread is not going to help you, it is sad they would not even help you after you know them so good. It tells me again that some people are so ungrateful. Sorry for your money lose.

BTW, maybe you should talk to Dan Epstein? he is still on Skype. And fairly responsive. I do know he is going through some rough times also

Thanks, I guess I can try, but Dan is just an employee, I doubt he has any weight on this... but sure

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06-20-2018, 04:00 PM

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I suggest you lawyer up immediately. You want to be first in line when they declare bankruptcy. Choicebank suspended withdrawals - there's no coming back from that. Any trust people had in them is gone, and even if they do somehow manage to let people withdrawal money there will immediately be a run on the bank.

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06-22-2018, 09:21 AM

Originally posted by genoveze

Thanks, I guess I can try, but Dan is just an employee, I doubt he has any weight on this... but sure

Indeed Dan works for Payoneer and will do whatever his bosses tell him to do.
He also spread completely wrong info at the very beginning like:
"No one will be chasing their funds, and nobody's funds will be frozen. The service is ceasing in a manner that everyone will be able to find an alternative."

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06-22-2018, 11:45 AM

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06-27-2018, 02:01 PM

People, go on trust pilot site (gfy doesnt let me to put links)and write bad reviews about Payoneer, how they moved us t FCP and then stole our money
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06-27-2018, 08:12 PM

Fucked up story, Payoneer was my favourite payment option back in days

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06-30-2018, 07:28 AM

Payoneer = Firstchoicepay

Originally posted by genoveze

Yes Payoneer worked hand in hand with Choice Bank, they are a billion dollar company, they should take responsability.

When they sent me the FirstChoice contract they said and I quote "its Payoneer to the bones, its the same system, WE launched a new system"

when you say WE dont you take responsability?
I wonder if that would fly in court. I mean zuckerberg paid money on emails
for the ideas he "took" right? to the twins,

clearly payoneer wanted to take the profit, so they should take the blame right?

At the Firstchoicepay site, when you click on Settings/Business Applications, it sends you to the Payoneer website....

You can film this from your computer as another proof Payoneer & Firstchoicepay are the exact same company (which they never denied until our money with FCP got stolen):

Firstchoicepay.com/Settings/Business Applications...boom, Payoneer site shows up

They might stop this link too asap, as they have their support spy here.

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07-04-2018, 02:35 AM

Originally posted by genoveze

We run an affiliate program, and we loaded in Payoneer-firsthoicepay a lot of money to pay affiliates.

Is there anyone else in the same position?

They keep stalling and give no clear answer,
im in contact with the vice president of Choice Bank Ad Kees
and Rob Anderson

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NEVER keep a large amount of money in these E-Wallets. No matter what bank or whatever financial institution is backing them up.

There are so many examples over the years when people lost their money to these fuckers.

get the money, cash them out and pay your affiliates or whatever by other safe methods.
people nowdays are using payoneer/paxum ...and keep huge amounts of money in their accounts because of automated payments towards affiliates & shit. Well..history teach us that sometimes is better to do things on your own and have your money cash in hand!

Sorry for you but 50% is your own fault for trusting these fuckers with your money!

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07-04-2018, 06:45 AM

same situation here, waiting for them too long ...

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07-04-2018, 09:48 AM

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07-05-2018, 03:47 AM

payoneer waits hands off, while the central bank fired the management from choice bank,
and the bank is now bankrupt, the choice bank says the central bank does not know how to liquidate and get the money in order to pay the people

FML

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07-11-2018, 06:04 AM

I have also $ five figures at FirstChoicePay. A month ago Mr. Ad Kees and Kendra asked me to fill in and signed a form in order to request a wire transfer. I have sent all the information and then I received no answer at all, they disappeared.
Payoneer is also responsible for this, they changed my account from them to FirstChoicePay but when I signed it was with Payoneer.
What can we do?
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07-11-2018, 02:01 PM

Skype pe at daredariuz
and lets work together

I think we can pressure them with the press
Payoneer I mean they took the profit

I would have never signed a contract with a bank from a banana country like Belize
if I knew!

Originally posted by DrPhibes

I have also $ five figures at FirstChoicePay. A month ago Mr. Ad Kees and Kendra asked me to fill in and signed a form in order to request a wire transfer. I have sent all the information and then I received no answer at all, they disappeared.
Payoneer is also responsible for this, they changed my account from them to FirstChoicePay but when I signed it was with Payoneer.
What can we do?

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07-11-2018, 07:19 PM

I was able to recall a wire I sent to Choice Bank the day before the news broke of this happening. I had to go through my bank to do that but it was successful. Took a very long time but it finally returned. I still don't have the funds in my Firstchoice Pay account though so let me know if I can do anything to help.

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07-11-2018, 08:23 PM

Good luck, i hope you get this settled.
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08-15-2018, 12:56 PM

Some news?
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08-15-2018, 02:24 PM

Yea the fact that choicebank sued central bank, and payoneer is handsoff,
so things get more coplicated...

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08-17-2018, 11:29 AM

I have contacted choicebank liquidator once again at [email protected] (really odd a gmail email for this) and received and email with the following:

"The Claim Forms are already on the website (www.choicebanklimitedinliquidation.com)."

Don't know which of all forms should I complete. And it seems they should be signed by a notary.

This is a disaster.
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02-27-2019, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by genoveze

Yea the fact that choicebank sued central bank, and payoneer is handsoff,
so things get more coplicated...

I guess your Firstchoice/Payoneer money is also still being kept hostage? With of course no updates at all?
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02-27-2019, 03:22 PM

^^^the schedule of actions (ie the liquidation) is supposed to be filed tomorrow, Feb 28 by the liquidators

I'm assuming that this schedule will available on March 1st which is the day it can be publicly 'inspected'. gonna call the Central Bank of Belize tomorrow to find out

wishing everyone owed the best of luck :/

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02-27-2019, 04:20 PM

got your money back Dorin?
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02-28-2019, 01:42 AM

Hey Jesse and Evil, Chatpay,
the money is still being held hostage, they not only not said anything about a sum
or a date, they don't answer emails, and hold millions,
Payoneer sits with their hands in their pocket telling me their lawyers
are keeping them safe.

Also on the moment of faildown, someone bought all the lawyers in Belize,
you could not have hired anyone, and guess whose money was used to bribe all
the lawyers? yes, ours

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02-28-2019, 08:21 AM

Fucking Belize, worse then Nigeria, just another shit country. Why would anybody use any outfit located there is beyond me. I guess buyer be aware.
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02-28-2019, 08:38 AM

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Fucking Belize, worse then Nigeria, just another shit country. Why would anybody use any outfit located there is beyond me. I guess buyer be aware.

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02-28-2019, 09:14 AM

hey my friend danep
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02-28-2019, 12:44 PM

Dan has been on the side of those owed through this entire fiasco. He's got more ethics in his baby finger than many peeps I've known

whelp, didn't need to call, received this email today:

Dear Sir/ Madam:

Notice by Liquidator on Evaluation of your Claim

We have evaluated your claim against Choice Bank in respect of sums totaling US$6,327.74 which you sought to prove in the liquidation of the bank.

The Liquidator has allowed $0.00 as proven.

Please appreciate that the amount of your claim allowed is not necessarily the amount that will be paid to you. The amount to be paid will depend on several factors including, but not limited to, total number of claims determined as valid, amounts realized from assets, sum collected or paid as resolution of existing lawsuits.

The Liquidator has rejected your claim or a portion of your claim for the following reasons:

The Liquidator has doubts about the validity of the amount claimed and/or did not receive sufficient proof of your claim.

If you wish to object the decision of the Liquidator then you may do so by filing an objection with the Central Bank of Belize, no later than March 20, 2019.

An objection form will be available for download from our website: Choice Bank Limited in liquidation , starting March 1, 2019 the earliest date on which an objection may be filed.

As you are an unsecured creditor, your claim will be given the priority stipulated by law (Section 116(2) of the Domestic Banks and Financial Institutions Act, a copy of which appears on our website, Choice Bank Limited in liquidation), and you will be paid accordingly.

We will be advising you by email, as well as by our website, on information about payment.

Regards,

Cedric Flowers
Liquidator, for and on behalf of Choice Bank Limited

I used the correct claim form, provided full proof of my identity, the docs for my corp, every transaction sent through my payoneer partner account to prove the 'closing' balance when FCP crashed, pages and pages of docs that fulfilled every single requirement

I am so tired of being ripped off, after I read the email closed my comp and spent the entire afternoon blazing and dancing on the rooftop garden with the very fine security dude here who if he wasn't in his early 20's I would so be all over

it helped, somewhat. prevented me from punching a hole through a concrete wall at least

fuck this shit. and the scum-sucking thieves at payoneer are STILL in operation. unreal.

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02-28-2019, 09:06 PM

Originally posted by JesseQuinn

Dan has been on the side of those owed through this entire fiasco. He's got more ethics in his baby finger than many peeps I've known

whelp, didn't need to call, received this email today:

Dear Sir/ Madam:

Notice by Liquidator on Evaluation of your Claim

We have evaluated your claim against Choice Bank in respect of sums totaling US$6,327.74 which you sought to prove in the liquidation of the bank.

The Liquidator has allowed $0.00 as proven.

Please appreciate that the amount of your claim allowed is not necessarily the amount that will be paid to you. The amount to be paid will depend on several factors including, but not limited to, total number of claims determined as valid, amounts realized from assets, sum collected or paid as resolution of existing lawsuits.

The Liquidator has rejected your claim or a portion of your claim for the following reasons:

The Liquidator has doubts about the validity of the amount claimed and/or did not receive sufficient proof of your claim.

If you wish to object the decision of the Liquidator then you may do so by filing an objection with the Central Bank of Belize, no later than March 20, 2019.

An objection form will be available for download from our website: Choice Bank Limited in liquidation , starting March 1, 2019 the earliest date on which an objection may be filed.

As you are an unsecured creditor, your claim will be given the priority stipulated by law (Section 116(2) of the Domestic Banks and Financial Institutions Act, a copy of which appears on our website, Choice Bank Limited in liquidation), and you will be paid accordingly.

We will be advising you by email, as well as by our website, on information about payment.

Regards,

Cedric Flowers
Liquidator, for and on behalf of Choice Bank Limited

I used the correct claim form, provided full proof of my identity, the docs for my corp, every transaction sent through my payoneer partner account to prove the 'closing' balance when FCP crashed, pages and pages of docs that fulfilled every single requirement

I am so tired of being ripped off, after I read the email closed my comp and spent the entire afternoon blazing and dancing on the rooftop garden with the very fine security dude here who if he wasn't in his early 20's I would so be all over

it helped, somewhat. prevented me from punching a hole through a concrete wall at least

fuck this shit. and the scum-sucking thieves at payoneer are STILL in operation. unreal.

This is fucking crazy. I read on other forums as well that people have recieved the same email, with the same amount: 0,00$ - How can they even run a business like this? Lol I am expecting to not anything as well. Fantastic, there goes my 8k that i worked so hard for.
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03-01-2019, 02:10 AM

Damn, that's insane
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03-01-2019, 03:14 AM

I haven't recieved anything yet, my claim was in the first mail "allowed in full" as well.

I attached a shitton of stuff for verification, even a snapshot of the FirstChoicePay Account with my remaining balance that is showing. Lets see.
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03-01-2019, 09:27 AM

Cedric Flowers is a personality that raises many red flags. I am pretty sure he is not cooperative and his goal is to keep all the monies. Googleing him makes me think he is the badest choice ever for this job.

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03-01-2019, 09:32 AM

Originally posted by JesseQuinn

Dan has been on the side of those owed through this entire fiasco. He's got more ethics in his baby finger than many peeps I've known

Confirming that statement you made. He is very robust and honest, it is a shame he was going down in the fall, but he has done so many hours of helping people with this in his own way, he is worth his weight in gold.

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03-01-2019, 10:14 AM

jessica quinn okay mommy i believe you but dan dissociate himself from fcp/choice bank crises = not good in my book , i can't trust this boy .
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03-01-2019, 11:45 AM

This boy can fend for himself.
This boy appears with his full name, picture, and location, as always. Now, let's take your claim and deconstruct it, and contrast with the facts I know.
Where did I dissociate myself exactly?
In the part where I kept assisting models and their husbands on the Ambercutie forum, Stripperweb, skype, e-mail, facebook, twitter, and even my personal phone, long after I lost my job?
Maybe it was in the part where no known player in the biz took me in for any job?
Maybe it was the part in which I'm in now, on skid row, because I refused to go back to my vanilla desk job, and lost all my accumulated benefits?
Was it the part that even trusted lawyers in the industry, agreed that I shouldn't be held accountable for actions and decisions I have even less of a clue about than you do?
Please enlighten me Mr. Gorrilaz.

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03-01-2019, 12:33 PM

Holding funds in 3rd party is not the safest way these days, we have many examples in the past and we gotta learn from them.

Really sucks to hear yall lost ur monies tho

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03-02-2019, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by danep

Was it the part that even trusted lawyers in the industry, agreed that I shouldn't be held accountable for actions and decisions I have even less of a clue about than you do?
Please enlighten me Mr. Gorrilaz.
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03-02-2019, 04:33 PM

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03-02-2019, 10:58 PM

Originally posted by gorillaz_

Consult with Silverstein and Fattorosi then, even Eric from the FSC.
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