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Then there were the porn retailers making $Millions. Flynt, Raymond, Gold, Sullivan, Milton, Heffner, Beate Uhse, anyone who owned a few of sex shops could expect $million pound income. The mafia weren't involved because it was a penny farthing business. Quote:
Mainstream advertising has always been bigger than porn. Chesterfield ads were bigger than porn back in the day, but not bigger than the Tobacco Industry. So please stick to porn and prove you know what you are talking about with porn style ads on porn sites. And stop claiming Advertising Complete is bigger than a small industry. I know that. |
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04-26-2018, 11:44 AM | #52 |
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whoa, you're right. I looked in the mirror and said nikki99 3 times and she shows up.
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Cams, I'm doing 2-3k biweekly, honestly.
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I did all and everything what one can do in this biz while you only know it from your small perspective. the advertising biz was and is the biggest in the whole internet. no matter HOW you get customers. it can be a weather site a social media site or a porn site or whatever. you are crying because a sandkorn on the beach got lost. you never had the big perspective. Quote:
regarding your vision it means that a weather site is here to sell thermometers and a formula 1 site can only sell sportscars. you should really sometimes have a look in the real world. just only in dating there are BILLIONS made with porn customers. enhancement stuff could not reach such a HUGE revenue without free porn. another WORLD WIDE MARKET what makes billions not by selling porn but promoting it to this customers. gaming, gambling, travel and much much more did already find out that porn users are just normal consumers and they are not scared anymore to promote on porn sites. you are right when you say that the market has changed but it did not went down - it became MUCH bigger as it was before. just dreamers like you did not mention it. Quote:
do you think that weather sites are belonging to the weather industry? do you think that sports-sites are belonging to the sports industry ? just have a look in your daily newspaper who is advertising there and after that tell me to what industry the newspaper belongs to. go and open a shoping channel on your tv and look what they sell there. after that tell me to what industry the shopping channel belongs to. watch a soap comedy and see who is advertising there and tell me what it have to do with the comedy. i really canīt understand why you do not even understand the basic things of the MEDIA industry - and this is actually the industry we belong to. |
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can i ask you a serious question?
if you make 2-3 k biweeky (what is actually not really good money) WHY do you say that ? letīs say only 20 of the readers here would catch up your idea you have 20 competitors more. this 20 competitors donīt make the buying market any bigger. they HAVE to live from the EXISTING market - with other words: YOURS !!! when i promoted cams in the beginning times (i think was in 1999/2000) i made 20-30 k WEEKLY and I was able to make that because the complete market was still believing in memberships and dialer stuff. i remember that my webmasterID was something around 60 or 70. 3 years later - when the cams were booming but my income was down more than 50% i referred a webmaster into that program and his webmasterid was 5-digit. this is one of this typical examples what happend million times. I think when I started promoting cams the cam market was like 10% of the total porn market. 3 years later cams made 70% of the total - so 7 times more than before but the average income of the competitors decreased to a tenth of what is was before. the individual will see this issue as "decreasing market" - but the real story is that it was INCREASING a fucking lot. but the number of competitors increased MORE than the money in the market. 1.000.000 / 100 = 10.000 10.000.000 /10.000 = 1.000 and even when there is 10 times more money spend as before, paul would call that the end of the cam-industry the absolute same happend with membersites. |
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I went from $500, sometimes $200 a month for the 2-3 years before I went to cams from reviewing porn sites. Made most of my money writing for others. If my suggestion changes someone's life go for it. I'm still growing, which is nice. Now you say that's not good money, I agree, on it's own, it's fair, but not good. But I also work a job in the high XX,XXX low XXX,XXX some years. It depends on how much OT I do. So yeah I'm still working like a dog but I have the life I've been dreaming of lately. So I'm at peace sharing a few suggestions. If I can't compete with the new competition (I can, I worked on my stuff even when I made nothing for a very long time), I don't deserve to be in the game. Thanks for your post, it allowed me to say a few things too. Have a good one. |
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i also don't see any difference in porn, gambling, travel, I just do all. And when i was at the Bangkok Affiliate World it was very interesting. Much more interesting than the traditional porn conferences.
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in his world porn users are buying porn only. in his mind also free tv canīt exist because the watchers donīt pay for the movies they are watching. he even ignores that all the websites he get his correct or incorrect information from are free sites and mostly financed from advertising. the time he remembers was the time when people paid for ONE newspaper and shared it with the complete neighborhood. |
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this is actually what I am trying also but not with THE solution to become a millionaire but with a bit of my knowledge in this market and some logic what mostly get lost when people want to believe in a future without problems. over 40 years of my life I was spending with marketing science and the last 21 of them in internet. It is not only because I am quite good in that - it is because I love this job. I love to analyze problems and find solutions. There was no generation before us who had the possibility to see "market evolution" in such a time laps speed as we can see it in the "generation internet". so called "trends" are coming and going - but if you really look deeper they did never come and never go. there was just a time when they have been overseen and after that they have been overestimated. there is nothing existing like an endless market. the internet itself is a self-breeding snowball system - a universe in which bubbles blow and burst every day. and as you know for sure every snowball system is self destroying at the point when the number of sellers is getting bigger as the number of buyers. there as also a time when nearly everybody promoted livecams. they promoted it because the few who did it already made good money and everybody wanted to do the same. but a limited numbers of buyers can only feed a limited number of sellers. that means that even a good advice is a self destroying advise because IF people listen and react it will overload this segment again. I think there are so many possibilities to survive in porn if we just recognize and accept that porno customers not only buy porn. there is an interesting number what is showing that all porn site visitors in the past and now did never spend more than 0,26% of their monthly budget for porn. and sure there are some in between that even spend 110% of their budget for a limited time and many who did never spend a cent for it. but what they all have in common is that ALL of them spend nearly all of their monthly budget for other things. imagine what that would mean if the pron industry could get 2,6 % of it instead of 0,26 %. |
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Make the purchaser fall in love with the girl first for example. Then offer xxx content.
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That is not really true. Obviously everything takes time and effort that can just be sped up/make easier with money, but you don't have to have money to make it. but various skills do help.
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Show me 10 millionaires created who started with nothing in the last 5 years. We should know them, they should be easy to spot. Or show me 5 new top line companies created in the last 5 years. Or anything like that. |
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actually there are even some who pays for getting their content on the tubes. this is what paul will never understand because he is not familiar with todayīs business. if someone just knows ONE of thousand possible ways he will swear that there is no other. what paul fucks up is the fact, that all that is working without the traditional people like him. there are 100 thousand amateurs around and they are content, producer and affiliate in one person. some of them are even the program owners too. alone this part of the biz is MUCH bigger as the good old times paul is dreaming about. |
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This thread is all over the place! So let's set some parameters.
What is "good money"? What is "successful"? If you live in New York City and own a home in New Jersey, as I do, then "successful" is (bare minimum) 100K a year. 200K is comfortable. Now what if you live in Europe where the average inome is $200 euroes a week? Or in Alabama where the average yearly income is $19,000. What is "successful" to that person? Let's say you own a company (as I do). What is "successful"? Compared to Pornhub? Well that's like comparing any retail business to Wal-Mart. My definition of success: you can pay ALL your bills, save/invest money for retirement, work how & when you want. Therefore: I am crushing it.
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I don't get why the question came up about 'what is successful'
The thread clearly defines 'success' as relative to the past. It was a thread about where the money has gone to... where the market is trending. So what you personally define as success doesn't necessarily matter
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Numbers in the Adult Industry are fluffy at best, no one knows "how much" the Adult Industry as a whole made then as compared to now. It's all guesstimates. So again it comes down to: how much do YOU want to make, feel you can make and are happy to be making. The rest is useless mental masturbation. If you compare your company's success or failure to larger, more established companies you will feel UNsuccessful. It's called the Law Of Contrast. Personally, I don't care how much Paul Markham thinks I should make, or how much thommy considers 'big time'. I know what makes ME happy and that's the only metric anyone should use IMHO. Where's the money at? Cams, dating, paysites, buying/selling traffic, processing, dick pills....ok now what?
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Thats the thing, the question is where it was shifted to. Thats it. The rest is an answer to a question that wasn't asked ;) To overcomplicate the original question.
Feel like any response about how much you make and what you are happy with is somebodys immediate response because they feel the need to defend what theyre doing. question was, where has it shifted. paul believes it disappeared, rest answered where they believe it went. answer is: it has shifted to a few players hands due to the investment and skill required now and software software based companies can you still make money where it has perhaps shifted from? Yes. Is it harder now? Likely. Is the ceiling as high? Not likely.
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I was also thinking the OP is like a lot of people who got out and are considering getting back into Adult now in 2018. It can seem even MORE daunting now then perhaps it was a decade or more ago when I started. Chances are the OP is wondering how and where he can make the $$$ today. It's harder today yes but still doable, and Goals and Expectations play a role. Like you said yourself, you could start a Solo Girl site today and make 5-10K a month. But you don't. Maybe that isn't enough incentive for you but for others, maybe the OP, that amount would be life changing. The term "Adult Industry" covers a lot of ground, from clips stores to solo models to giant companies. Just sayin'.
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When I say anybody can walk in and start a solo site and make that, i should say, anybody who knows their stuff. If you don't know your stuff, you will fail no matter what it is. And a person who hasn't been around in years and most likely got phased out, will probably fail. So you should consider who you're giving advice to. Honestly somebody in that situation, who isn't extremely gifted in this industry, up to date on trends, etc - is more likely to succeed investing money than trying to start something small that requires more skill and there's a lot of gifted people who would love to partner on projects that could use additional funding, it would allow a person without much ability to learn and catch up as well. Don't have money? Find it. You'd be surprised how easy it is to find people in your city that would kill for the profit margins adult provide or people who want more time with their kids (working remotely) or just the chance to be around pornstars, etc etc - If you can't succeed doing that, it's hard to imagine you can succeed running a business
What you are doing and solo sites, all the things that used to be easy are infact the hardest route to take. Not just harder than before but harder than the alternative. Using outdated methods makes it an uphill battle in regards to work and expertise. However raising capital and executing something that is missing in this industry or vastly improving on one of these newer pieces of software is MUCH easier. They leave alot of room for improvement because the guys behind these adult companies aren't really that knowledgeable. It takes them 10 years to figure out how to get the most out of what they got. Look at manyvids, its structured like a 1999 website. It's just that theyre the only ones who had money, believed in the idea and invested into the idea. There is little to no innovation in adult, people are coming out with a minimal viable product and slowly improving on it. You can copy an existing idea and make it better very easily. but you need money. Blackd did that with paysites. Manyvids looked at clips sites and made it more relevant and better. It really doesn't need to be a new idea, improve on anything out there and it will beat it. To this day, i have yet to see a product that is better, not do better. TLDR: Telling a newbie or some guy getting back in the industry to start small isn't necessarily the best idea. since small = much harder. So while he may be happy with 2k or 5k, that is most likely less achievable
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So for me expectations and Goals are key. I could spend my time trying to build a better mousetrap or I could maximize and scale what I know works (for me) and is better suited to my skill set. But in the end, regardless of talk, Goals, etc, what you say is 100% correct. It all depends on the person. If someone is motivated enough then nothing will stop him. I'm that way and I am guessing so are you. LOL That's probably why we are still here, adapting and not dying but growing.
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the only problem in an industry like ours is that we have a funny effect what i gave the name "seesaw effect". imagine 5 kids on a seesaw 2 of them sitting on one side and the other 3 on the opposite side. the 3 kids on the left side see that the 2 on the right side are high up in the air and they decide to move also to the right side. imagine what will happen...... regarding your other argument "what is good money" really depends on personal life quality. but I would not even nail that on the amount of money. for me "good money" is when I made the maximum what is possible with my hands, my brain, my time and my skills. if this is less than average i would do something else. if it is over average and pays my life standard or even more i call it "good money". if someone is really a business man from his heart he will see money anyway like a singer his applause. |
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I personally believe ModelCentro knew big paysites could make them alot of money but they see ModelCentro/FanCentro as being a better profit margin. Software developers are cheaper than Models & Producers So that goes to show you, nobody being involved in paysites is only evident of where the big players are deciding to go.
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To anyone coming into the porn industry now, expect the going to be tough. The traffic is on free sites and the conversion rate is poor, very poor. You are competing with the biggest tubes and when a guy falls in love with a girl getting banged, you're clutching at straws. Guys don't normally fall in love with girls fucking someone else.
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@emmasexytime, congrats your directory looks nice. I m doing cams for 15 years if you would like to mastermind write me I 'll be glad to share.
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